Tyreke Evans

[NMThreeMVP]

So what exactly is your point? That a team will view Tyreke has having value because you believe their doctors can make an educated guess about the future of his knee and said team will trade tangible assets for Tyreke because of this projection?

Ok. Lol. Let's see if Tyreke can pull WCS on his own then.

Again with the acerbic exaggeration in your responses.

That's not at all what I'm saying, and I've never said Tyreke could pull WCS on this own.

All the Pelicans need is for a team's doctor say he'll be ready for training camp, which is all that we've ever heard about his timeline anyway. Hell, even you have said that's what his timeline is supposed to be. He doesn't literally have to be able to play 36 minutes tomorrow in order for a team to have a reasonable level of confidence in his health for the 2016/17 season.

There have been numerous players with some level of injury concern to sign multi year contracts and/or get traded for this offseason. Tyreke has value. If he didn't, Dell would have and could have dumped him by now the same way Chicago was able to dump Dunleavy, Calderon, and Rose. The reason Tyreke hasn't been traded for nothing yet, is because Dell believes he has value, not because he has negative value, which is what you seem to want to believe.

[Mythrol]

So wait your belief is that because we haven't traded Tyreke that means he has value?

My belief is because we haven't traded Tyreke that means he has none.

We are literally sitting here with a Tuesday deadline to make a move or we have to cut Frazier, Douglas, and Babbitt. If we aren't nearing the point of needing to dump him, we're darn close. Which is all I believe we could get for Tyreke, some form of a contract dump where we take back a fake 2nd or some very small 2nd round pick player, old vet, etc.

Your reasoning is exactly why Tyreke has no value. Teams don't need Tyreke right now, they don't need to take the risk that there is a setback with his recovery. The season isn't about to start. They are fully content they can just wait and get him later if he is healthy. Especially when our team is basically obsoleting him.

The Pels are the ones behind the 8-ball because they need to move someone to be able to make all our signings, or else we have to release players.

3 knee surgeries in a year, no fit on the team, a GM that has been trying to move him since the middle of last season, no incentive for another team to make a move now, 72 hours away from our deadline to make a move. . .

This is absolutely the time when Tyreke has his lowest value.

[Big Fan]

Think about this from the perspective of the team considering a deal to bring in Tyreke: free agent after this year; history of recent knee surgeries, at best it seems he would be cleared to practice by training camp. Considering by then he will have gone over 8 months ? without playing basketball, what kind of shape would you expect him to be in? How long do you expect to wait to see peak Reke? Will he get injured again before then and set the whole timeline back again? Considering the type of impact he has on how your team needs to play, do you want to deal with him potentially being out then in then out the lineup? And if he is good for a few months, you have to pay him 17-20 million or you lose him for nothing after the season. The GM who takes on these issues is setting himself up for second guessing even if he does not give up any positive asset to make it happen. It would have to be a team that really has no other options and nothing to lose.

Look, if Reke was solidly healthy and Monty was still here, I would want him out on the court as much as possible. He could be a core guy. But he's only possibly healthy and be is kryptonite to any offense based on ball movement. And considering his contract situation and bristling when he was asked to come off the bench and still play a huge role, I am worried that he will poison team chemistry if he is still here in October.

So I would trade him for the right to switch second round picks in 2024 if it was offered. Cuz I lose a guy that will bring us down and not up, and I can spend that cap savings on a player that will help. It may be that Reke is worth more than that on some hypothetical market, but that doesn't matter because I'm getting better by trading him away -- and that is the real point of it all.

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[NMThreeMVP]

So wait your belief is that because we haven't traded Tyreke that means he has value?

My belief is because we haven't traded Tyreke that means he has none.

We are literally sitting here with a Tuesday deadline to make a move or we have to cut Frazier, Douglas, and Babbitt. If we aren't nearing the point of needing to dump him, we're darn close. Which is all I believe we could get for Tyreke, some form of a contract dump where we take back a fake 2nd or some very small 2nd round pick player, old vet, etc.

Your reasoning is exactly why Tyreke has no value. Teams don't need Tyreke right now, they don't need to take the risk that there is a setback with his recovery. The season isn't about to start. They are fully content they can just wait and get him later if he is healthy. Especially when our team is basically obsoleting him.

The Pels are the ones behind the 8-ball because they need to move someone to be able to make all our signings, or else we have to release players.

3 knee surgeries in a year, no fit on the team, a GM that has been trying to move him since the middle of last season, no incentive for another team to make a move now, 72 hours away from our deadline to make a move. . .

This is absolutely the time when Tyreke has his lowest value.

Lowest value and NO value, are not the same. If Dell keeps Tyreke and cuts bait on Douglas, Frazier and Babbitt, it's because Tyreke has more value than Douglas, Frazier, and Babbitt…at least in Dell's mind.

My only argument has been with the idea that Tyreke has zero or negative value, when it appears that at least one GM (Dell) hasn't yet come to that conclusion.

It'll be interesting to see what the Pelicans ultimately do. If it was just a matter of moving Tyreke for nothing, Dell could have done that already. But like some of us, Dell is just trying to figure out what his value is. It wouldn't be a shock if the Heat, Kings, Celtics, Bucks or a half dozen other teams were interested.

[David Fisher]

Lowest value and NO value, are not the same. If Dell keeps Tyreke and cuts bait on Douglas, Frazier and Babbitt, it's because Tyreke has more value than Douglas, Frazier, and Babbitt…at least in Dell's mind.

My only argument has been with the idea that Tyreke has zero or negative value, when it appears that at least one GM (Dell) hasn't yet come to that conclusion.

Disagree. That Tyreke is still on the roster doesn't mean Dell thinks he has value. It means he has yet to find a trade partner.

All 30 GMs thinking Tyreke Evans has no value would result in Demps being unable to trade Tyreke. Which is the case up to this point.

[NMThreeMVP]

Disagree. That Tyreke is still on the roster doesn't mean Dell thinks he has value. It means he has yet to find a trade partner.

All 30 GMs thinking Tyreke Evans has no value would result in Demps being unable to trade Tyreke. Which is the case up to this point.

All it means is that Dell isn't (yet) willing to trade Tyreke for nothing, or more accurately, so that he can hold on to Babbitt, Douglas and Frazier.

Unless you really think Dunleavy and Calderon have more value than Tyreke, which I don't.

It does seem like we'll know something by 7/12 though, and it'll be interesting to see what Dell decides to do.

[Mythrol]

If it was just a matter of moving Tyreke for nothing, Dell could have done that already.

Based on what? Saying this as a matter of fact does not make it true.

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

FFS if Colderone and Dunleavy can be salary dumped then why not Tyreke?

Philadelphia owes us.
It's not up to if Dell thinks he can get value its if he thinks Tyreke is more important than Frazier, Douglas and Babbit at this point.

That's all it comes down to plain & simple.
CAP SPACE.

[Mythrol]

FFS if Colderone and Dunleavy can be salary dumped then why not Tyreke?

Philadelphia owes us.
It's not up to if Dell thinks he can get value its if he thinks Tyreke is more important than Frazier, Douglas and Babbit at this point.

That's all it comes down to plain & simple.
CAP SPACE.

Calderon played 72 games last year, is owed less than Tyreke, was part of the trade that sent Rose to NY (not a salary dump), and is not injured at the time he was trade.

Dunleavy is owed half what Tyreke is owed, came back and played to the end the season, and is not injured at the time of the trade.

Now as far as your second comment. Clearly Dell does not value Tyreke as much as Frazier, Douglas, and Babbitt otherwise he wouldn't be desperately trying to trade Tyreke to avoid having to cut these guys.

[DaPelFromHell]

I've always been a Tyreke fan and don't necessarily want to see him go, but with all these guard additions someone has to go I would think. I doubt they picked up E'twaun Moore and Langston Galloway just to be end of the bench players. So I'm still hoping for a Tyreke & Asik for Greg Monroe swap. It makes sense for both teams. The Bucks want to take it to that next step, they need some wing & point guard depth badly. If we were able to add a big next to AD that can get us close to Tyreke's point production and close to Asik's boards then we could challenge for a playoff spot. I think a nice post scorer instead of stretch 4 could do wonders for AD. We haven't seen AD with a legitimate low post scorer yet. He's been playing with a strictly defensive center and a strictly stretch 4 his whole career thus far. I'd love to see what happens when he gets a guy like Monroe playing next to him.

[Mythrol]

The Monroe trade kind of goes against our hard working, defending multiple positions type of player we went after this summer but if it meant being able to move on from Tyreke and Asik I'd definitely think about it. He's probably a 1 year rental which means we'd be searching for a center next year, not sure how I feel about that.

Is Monroe the guy that someone who has spoken to his family said he doesn't want to play in Louisiana? I feel like I remember someone saying something about that but I can't remember.

[Spaniard]

The Monroe trade kind of goes against our hard working, defending multiple positions type of player we went after this summer but if it meant being able to move on from Tyreke and Asik I'd definitely think about it. He's probably a 1 year rental which means we'd be searching for a center next year, not sure how I feel about that.

Is Monroe the guy that someone who has spoken to his family said he doesn't want to play in Louisiana? I feel like I remember someone saying something about that but I can't remember.

That was Thadeus Young. I am of the belief Monroe actually does want to play here.

And based on where our roster stands now, it actually would make more sense if for nothing else than to dump Asik's deal for next offseason. I like it.

[Hugeaux II]

Monroe has actually talked about wanting to play here, and wanting to play with AD. While he does not fit the 'plays strong and aggressive defense' model that we told Langston we were wanting, he does fit the high IQ, high character and hard working guy model we also have said we want. I see his defense as something like Ryno's - he does not get beat for screwing up a scheme or by being lazy, he gets beat because it's not his strength, but he is trying and going where he is supposed to be (I think). Given his basketball IQ, his rebounding, and his scoring, now that we should have better perimeter defenders, I think he would work here very well. I certainly understand the arguments against it, but as you point out, he's a FA next year, and I'd rather have him for a year than Tyreke and Alexis (no way we'd get lucky enough for them to trade for Tyreke and Omar...). I haven't heard any suggestions for a Tyreke trade I like any better, and since it sounds like the Bucks are also desperate to get rid of Monroe that it makes sense for them as well

[Mythrol]

That was Thadeus Young. I am of the belief Monroe actually does want to play here.

And based on where our roster stands now, it actually would make more sense if for nothing else than to dump Asik's deal for next offseason. I like it.

Oh ok thanks. I knew I heard something but couldn't remember the player. I agree though, I'd definitely like the move. It'd take care of needing another scorer too. Yes his defense is lacking but I think that should be easier to hide given our team this year.

Maybe we talk him into opting in and then have his full birds rights the next year.

[billfromfinance]

so from what MM is hinting at, I wonder if Reke is doing his best EG impression - not rehabbed properly and set himself right back. Him not playing this season due to injury would explain why we have gone so deep with guards, and why no team wants him for peanuts.

[Mythrol]

so from what MM is hinting at, I wonder if Reke is doing his best EG impression - not rehabbed properly and set himself right back. Him not playing this season due to injury would explain why we have gone so deep with guards, and why no team wants him for peanuts.

Where is MM saying this btw? I just haven't heard it suggested anywhere.

[ramsters60]

Where is MM saying this btw? I just haven't heard it suggested anywhere.

I think he might have mentioned the possibility of Evans not even playing this coming season...might have been on a different forum...

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

It's a contract year. I doubt he would deliberately not play.

[Mythrol]

I think he might have mentioned the possibility of Evans not even playing this coming season...might have been on a different forum...

Oh ok. Probably was on TD.

[ramsters60]

Oh ok. Probably was on TD.

I think so....

[Hugeaux II]

What about the suggestion of trading for Leonard? Does that work? I seem to remember some of the sign and trade stuff with restricted free agents was different now

[Mythrol]

It's more about why would Portland want Tyreke...

[JrueDat]

If we can't trade Byereke I hope we stretch him so we can keep Frazier and still sign all our guys.

[Rheem654]

It's a contract year. I doubt he would deliberately not play.

Exactly. From Tyreke's point of view, he's going to do everything he can to be/stay healthy and play well
- for whichever team he's on.
People talk about his low bball IQ, but he's definitely smart enough to see some of these contracts thrown around and wants his share. For all his faults, he seems like a competitive warrior kinda guy who'll do all he can to have a good rebound season.

[Hugeaux II]

Okay, let me ask a different way, can we do a sign and trade with Asik + another player for the guy being signed and traded, or can you now package multiple players in a sign and trade? I'm just trying to get a better idea of the different ways to get rid of him and how they will affect our cap.