WowOriginally Posted by fullcourtpress
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sure, in his prime, i can see 18-5-5
18 minutes 5 points on 5 shots
I'm with you brother. I actually see more.
I'm happy that we're holding onto rivers, I'm actually hoping that he can fill a role similar to what morrow did for us last season. he gives the D and his spot up 3s have been good, though the corner 3 would be of the most help.
Don't know if he's ever going to be strong enough but I've thought about him at the 3 for spot minutes and the potential he could have there in a 3 guard lineup.
When I was throwing marion in there, couple of days ago nobody thought there would be a chance! but IF he would agree to come to nola! I mean think about it! he is such a great player overall! incredible veteran with championship experience, can still defend his position, has a nose for the ball, great locker room presence, even though his shot is ugly, you have to repect it and he doesnt have a high usage rate which is a plus with all the scoreres out there! plus hes an great rebounder for his position and if we keep casspi as a backup thats a great fit because of his shooting of the bench! so IF dell can make his magic happen again and we end up with the matrix I would be super excited! If healthy this team would play for the homecourt advantage in the west without a doubt in my mind!
I swear I've had this conversation before. Let's lay down money that Rivers won't average 18-5-5. Not per36. He just won't ever average 5 rebounds a game ever. It won't happen.
It's a terrible bet for me because he could suffer a serious injury, get into a car accident, fall of a cliff, or go to a team where he is behind an all-star and never get the minutes, I have no doubt though if he was to start on a team in need of him he could very well average 15-5-5 in a year or 2. just my opinion.
Personally i think he'll never have enough playing time to put up those numbers. I mean, cornerstone gordon had 15 ppg playing 32 minutes a game...how can rivers put up so many points without having as much playing time? And as long as we have reke and jrue here i don't see him getting consistently 30 minutes at all. And if he does, well, we'd be neck-deep in trouble
Again. I'm saying EVER. He will never ever average the numbers you suggested because he will never average 5 rebounds a game. The 18 points I could see happening, the 5 assists I could see happening. But he will never average 5 rebounds a game. This won't change ever.
This doesn't mean he's a bad player, it means don't put unrealistic expectations on the player.
I personally think that at the end of tyreke's contract since he will be 28, will lose some of his quickness because he is a bigger guy and won't be resigned, I see us resigning Jrue, having Rivers as our starting SG and putting a very good SF and either PF or C next to Davis when Davis is in his prime. The cool thing about AD is he is only 21, we will basically have enough time to build 2 cores around him. Right now it is jrue, tyreke, ryno and asik, in a couple years it could be jrue, lamarcus aldridge, rivers and kawhi leonard for all we know. People take less money to play with great players
Marion would be a nice pickup if he would be willing to come here. Otherwise, not much left. I guess you have Johnson or Hamilton. I doubt Turner would take the room exception.
Im sure this has been covered but Im trying to get an organized understanding of what are options are at this point.
From what I understand, we have the Room Exception left which is worth $2.7M per year for two years and Minimum Contract Exceptions.
With that the available guys left are Jordan Hamilton, Francisco Garcia, Brandon Rush, Wesley Johnson, Chris Douglas-Roberts, John Salmons, Shawn Marion left at SF.
We could also trade Rivers, Withey, Ajinca, and/or Babbitt to take back a contract for a SF and spend our RE on a backup veteran guard like Jameer Nelson.
Rivers and Babbitt would work for Jared Dudley or Rivers for Dunleavy works.
Before seeing, a few of the SL games I would have said go and get a player on a "Prove It" contract. Like grab some young buck that has not done much in the league and wants to fight for a starting spot, or grab a vet who has been down but can easily bounce back if in the right position. Now that we have Casspi and seeing the progress of our SL players, I would hold off on spending money at the SF position right now. While none of the options, we have rights to are world-beaters we are only talking about your fourth option on offense, and a person who can keep a hand in front of somebody on defense. We don't need LeBron or even Paul George to make the playoffs and make noise. Go into the season with your three-headed monster of Casspi, Howard, and Southerland, and rotate the starter based on matchup. What is the worst that can happen, they let a LeBron or Melo go off for 30+? Save the cash and use what is left for more Ely contracts, and more Babbitt and Ajinca type signings.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
The Ely, Babbitt and Ajinca type signings were all league minimum deals, so they will be there regardless. If we can get a decent veteran for the RE, it would be crazy not to use it. However, there are very few options available currently. It may make sense to take a run at someone like Marion and if it does not work out, save it to see if any players become available as a result of a buyout or a foreign guy looking for more than the minimum.
Yes, they will be there regardless, but the guys on the market (who are available to us) are essentially League Minimum guys. At this point in his career Marion would be a signing that would only come for a multi year deal. Do you really want to tie your cart to that horse? Go and sign your your league min guys, or just wait out the year and come trade season get involved in a deal or two since you have the space to help make a small time move possible.
anthony morrow was a league minimum signing last year
he had one foot out of the league and the other one on the line
lets just wait and see what happens
While the competition isn't Lebron, and Leonard, I think we are seeing it unfold in SL with Southerland and Howard. A few years later with Howard, and maybe too soon to expect big things out of Southerland, but the belief that we need to go out and spend our MLE on a guy who may or may not help us any more than the options presented is silly. You can sit on your money if you don't like the options presented, it's not going to kill you.
The most Marion could be would be 2 years at small dollars. I doubt he ends up taking the RE unless it is a contender, but he is one worth using the RE on.
Well Caron butler is going to the pistons
i would love for josh howard to be useful, but unfortunately i think he's done. we'll see
we dont have the MLE by the way, just the room exception
i think darius miller is your starting SF next year
I'm about youth. Build a player with potential like the spurs and pacers. I don't want a player on His last leg give me youth with potential. Plus he'd have no big expectations. Which to me is why people sometimes hate on Rivers.
SIGN A SF
I like Rivers. Would like him more if he were a small forward.
If you can find me the SF equivalent of Rivers sitting on someone's bench waiting for an opportunity... I'm interested in a trade.
I'm just not sure who that guy is. Is it Mo Harkless?
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