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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaPride View Post
    Don't they have an overload at that position right now?
    Yeah, but they also just drafted two guards in back to back years. Don't need Rivers
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBlaze View Post
    Preach. Exactly my thoughts.

    Now we're here just wishing we'd have moved him last year when teams actually were intrigued. But seeing him play terribly two straight years and lobbing layups aimlessly off the backboard takes its toll.
    were we watching the same Austin rivers last year? How many times did people point out how improved he was. His minutes dropped from his rookie season yet he raised his fg% taking around the same number of shots. He raised his assist per game. not to mention his abysmal free throw % shot up and his 3 point % also raised.

    It may still not have been perfect but it wasn't terrible. At least bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djpaul89 View Post
    And to the point of "Rivers has no value around the league," that's clearly true and can't be debated (cgrand). But a player's perceived value =\= his abilities. For instance, Morrow had very low league-wide value last off season. Clearly he proved that his abilities exceeded his league perception.
    and if rivers does that nobody will be happier than I will

    So yeah, I think the argument that since Rivers has little value across the league, that proves that he does and forever will suck is extremely weak.
    Since I never made that argument I'll assume you are addressing others

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgrand View Post
    and if rivers does that nobody will be happier than I will



    Since I never made that argument I'll assume you are addressing others
    Correct, sir.

  5. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    Threw that one in there just for you. Don't think it is possible, but I wanted you in this thread!
    Why you gotta be so Harkless. . . .


    Man I been sitting on that one all day waiting on guru. Lol

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    What about Jared Dudley?
    This trade is doable :
    Rivers , Ajinca and Babbitt
    For
    Jared Dudley.
    He is better than all the sfs on the list.
    He is a good shooter, seems to be a nice locker room guy, can play team defense.

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    Marion should be a realistic option now since Mavs gave Parsons.

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    if he wants to be here. He did say something about only playing a contender a while back

  9. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    The way I see it, Dell will have quite a few options to fill this spot, even though we just assume that the guy will be signed with the Room Exception. Maybe he will, but maybe they sign Jameer Nelson with the Room and trade Rivers for a SF. Or maybe they are sold on Patric Young and can move Withey or Ajinca for a cheap SF. To me, these are all the options

    Trade Rivers Possibilities

    DeMarre Carroll
    Mike Dunleavy
    Jae Crowder
    Mo Harkless

    Trade a Big Possibilities

    Khris Middleton
    Kyle Singler
    Jeff Taylor
    Quincy Miller
    Glen Rice, Jr.
    James Ennis

    Room Exception

    Richard Jefferson
    Francisco Garcia
    Omri Casspi
    James Jones
    Alan Anderson
    John Salmons
    Chris Douglas-Roberts
    Jordan Hamilton
    Wesley Johnson
    Shawn Marion
    Caron Butler



    Minimum Guys

    Darius Miller
    Brandon Rush
    Chris Singleton
    Jan Vesely
    Josh Howard

    So, who are your top 3-5 on that list? Would you be willing to do a trade or do you just want to use the Room and solve this problem next year?
    Casspi doesn't change the players I'd go after here.
    I'd be interested in these in the following order:

    Marion
    Butler
    Harkless
    Middleton
    Jefferson
    Garcia
    Quincy Miller
    Hamilton

    and I'd add Rush as a lottery ticket on minimum if possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by zakzak View Post
    that dumb Gentry killing Asik morale seriously man he is been good when you compare last season then suddenly he sits whole damn first half barely gets minutes what an idiot we need muscle wee need rebound he took of asik jones,ajinca they got no place on this team play Diallo at least he is decent.
    .......if healthy

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    THAT is what I was talking about w/ Dell. I expected him to pull off something more in line with this move. Casspi isn't a world beater by any means, but getting a shooter who can steal minutes at the 3 and not kill us is a big boost to the roster. Again, wasn't disappointed in the fact we weren't going to get a true difference maker, just that we were limiting ourselves. We need skill sets at this point, not difference makers.

  11. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by dleboeuf84 View Post
    THAT is what I was talking about w/ Dell. I expected him to pull off something more in line with this move. Casspi isn't a world beater by any means, but getting a shooter who can steal minutes at the 3 and not kill us is a big boost to the roster. Again, wasn't disappointed in the fact we weren't going to get a true difference maker, just that we were limiting ourselves. We need skill sets at this point, not difference makers.
    So, Casspi flips you on this whole trade? Not Asik alone. That had you worried. But now you get Casspi and Dell is back to being a great dealer?

    I guess we just see things so incredibly differently

  12. #162
    I trust that Dell will wait for one of those guys for the right price. It's just the waiting game now! We already got a nice back-up 3, and we just have to wait for the starter.

  13. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Topdawg26 View Post
    I trust that Dell will wait for one of those guys for the right price. It's just the waiting game now! We already got a nice back-up 3, and we just have to wait for the starter.
    We can't offer a guaranteed playoff spot, just a good chance at one. But what team can offer a chance at a playoff spot AND a starting position?

    I think we can get someone decent, and I agree, I hope we don't just settle for the first guy who says yes.

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    Id love Brandon Rush. Shoot I wish we'd re-sign Miller
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    So, Casspi flips you on this whole trade? Not Asik alone. That had you worried. But now you get Casspi and Dell is back to being a great dealer?

    I guess we just see things so incredibly differently
    Look, if the options were getting Asik and losing all exceptions and bird rights vs. our exceptions and bird rights with no Asik, obviously I would take Asik. I just expected more. I mean, DeJuan Blair just got signed and traded! With teams clamoring for stretch 4's, i can't imagine Smith not being able to be S&T'd.

    As far as Casspi flipping me on this trade, actually it does help. It gets us another shooter. Possibly spares us Babbit. Allows us to use the Biannual for someone who can defend. Gets us another skill set. Our core is set. We need guys w/ specific skill sets - shooters, wing defenders, etc. That being said, I would much rather us have Morrow back than Casspi. He's better than nothing though.

    You have to admit this is a better deal than just trading Asik into cap space. It helps fill out the roster w/ real NBA players. No player we acquired was going to break our top 6 unless we dealt Gordon anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    Marion should be a realistic option now since Mavs gave Parsons.
    Even moreso now that the Mavs just signed Richard Jefferson, but the question more than anything would be could he help with spacing enough to allow the offense to flow? That I'm not too sure of.

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    unless a trade happens. Im the only guy wanting Aminu. Sorry. Aminu > Marion

  18. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by fullcourtpress View Post
    unless a trade happens. Im the only guy wanting Aminu. Sorry. Aminu > Marion
    In what world?

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    I am hoping for Marion but I think he is outside our price range.

    Other guys I would not mind considering what we have to offer:

    1)Jordan Hamilton
    2)Chris Douglas-Roberts
    3)Wesley Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullcourtpress View Post
    unless a trade happens. Im the only guy wanting Aminu. Sorry. Aminu > Marion
    Absolutely false in almost every basketball sense.
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    Y'all sleeping on rivers, typically last year he woulda been a junior in college, he's young, like I said I won't judge him until his 4th year in the NBA, he came in as a project so he deserves time, Think he is going to be a beast and I can see him being a 15-5-5 SG who plays lockdown D and has a great 3 ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    Y'all sleeping on rivers, typically last year he woulda been a junior in college, he's young, like I said I won't judge him until his 4th year in the NBA, he came in as a project so he deserves time, Think he is going to be a beast and I can see him being a 15-5-5 SG who plays lockdown D and has a great 3 ball
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  23. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by fullcourtpress View Post
    unless a trade happens. Im the only guy wanting Aminu. Sorry. Aminu > Marion
    very very very very very much disagree.
    Very much.

  24. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    Y'all sleeping on rivers, typically last year he woulda been a junior in college, he's young, like I said I won't judge him until his 4th year in the NBA, he came in as a project so he deserves time, Think he is going to be a beast and I can see him being a 15-5-5 SG who plays lockdown D and has a great 3 ball
    I'm with you guru. I've been a fan of rivers and have seen big improvements in his game. He's still very raw and even his 4th year might be premature to judge his game completely. He may take 3-4 more years to get there, but I believe he is on his way. His skill set screams NBA. I don't predict those gaudy numbers tho. I can see him being a 20-25 mpg off the bench 6-7th rotation type player. Avg sumn around 10/3/2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullcourtpress View Post
    unless a trade happens. Im the only guy wanting Aminu. Sorry. Aminu > Marion
    I watch almost every game and am constantly looking for what anyone sees in Aminu. He was just as responsible for our record last year as injuries and the Stiemer. You can not have a player on the floor who is NO offensive threat. We all have our own opinions, but me, I would take just about anyone over him. And no, he is not a good defender.
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