Houston wouldn't back out of the deal regardless, IMO. They're getting a first rounder for a guy that they can afford to play < 20 mpg, would have to pay 15 mil and who is a 150% lock to leave them after this year.
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Houston wouldn't back out of the deal regardless, IMO. They're getting a first rounder for a guy that they can afford to play < 20 mpg, would have to pay 15 mil and who is a 150% lock to leave them after this year.
Not sure if Ajinca needs to be included. If I recall, his salary is guaranteed, so it may not be as enticing to another team.Originally Posted by Mythrol
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That would be my only objection in Mythrol's post. The team trading with us would have to either actually want Ajinca or be willing to cut him and eat his 1mil contract.
Yeah it's only 1 million so for some teams that may not matter but for a team like us it would.
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Source won't tell us exact details (such a tease), but I think Ajinca is gone. Most of the scenarios I run includes him. Gets guaranteed salary off the books. Ajinca, Babbitt, and Ely gets you to a little over 3 mil. Need another 2.4 or so to do the deal. That's Rivers. Could be Roberts, Aminu, Smith, or Morrow too. Preferably it is not Morrow, because that would cost us our MLE.
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OR, we give them 500K - 1 mil in cash. Imagine being another team and getting a solid center for free. Both asset wise and salary wise.
I think cash could play a big part here. Dell basically has 4.5 mil to work with to have teams help him out.
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So pretty much the $$$ from Houston could possibly be going straight to the other team.
Exactly. Plus we can add up to 3 mil of our own.
So, lets say Charlotte is gonna straight up sign Roberts for 2.5 mil. We can call them and say, "Hey do us a favor and make it a sign and trade. Here is 500K for your troubles."
Charlotte loses nothing in that scenario, so why not?
If Rivers is out Ajinca has to go too. Another team is getting a top 10 pick from 2 years ago. If all they have to do is take a decent 10-15min C on a 1yr/1M contract who is going to think twice? No one.
I'm too excited to see this. If we have to give up Rivers I wouldn't be mad. We are getting a very good center and we can always sign a decent backup point gaurd if not use Russ. Hopefully after all is said and done we can get some pieces from teams still waiting on LeBron and Melo and trying to dump good players for nothing. If the dominoes of the Big Decision Pt 2 start falling before then I can see us missing out on a lot. Sunday is a long way away in free agency time.
Certainly not that its a deal breaker, but I was hoping we could keep Ajinca off the bench. For such a low salary, I thought he could be a serviceable backup. It doesn't hurt that he is still young (only 26) and has great size (7'2" 250) (although slow feet).
I just don't see the need. I think Withey passes him this year. Bringing in Young too and you can even bring Smith back if you really want. Coupled with Asik and AD getting mins at the 5 with Ryno, I don't see how he would ever play if he came back.
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I think it speaks more to how confident the team is with Withey and Young.
I used to think differently, but now I'd much rather Ajinca/Babbitt over Smith. That dude just can't stay healthy.
I really liked what I saw from Ajinca last year and if he's not starting, he can be a great backup big. Gives Young a year to get his feet wet as the 3rd big off the bench. He can't possibly be worst than Steamer. Not possible.
And Asik, Ryno, and AD.
I mean, if those 3 are healthy, should anybody else get a minute at 4 or 5? I understand that you need depth, but seriously, you just have two of those guys on the floor every minute right?
AD and Asik start, Ryno comes in at 6 minute mark for Asik
Asik comes in for AD at 2 min mark.
AD comes in for Ryno at 9 min. mark of 2nd.
Ryno comes back in at 5 min mark for Asik
Using that because when I watched our healthy games, that was Monty's tendency. That rotation.
That is 38 minutes per game for AD. 30 for Asik and 28 for Ryno.
Could tinker here and there, but this seems about right. 4th big might not get off the bench most nights.
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I look at it as if you move Ajinca and don't resign Smith, your depth at 4/5 is very thin. That's why I said that about Withey and Young. I'm assuming Asik, AD and Ryno will be relatively healthy this year (praying nothing less than 70 games played), so I'm talking just depth. The hope is obviously that you wouldn't have to rely on the Withey's/Youngs night in and night out.
I think you need a PF for depth. Not a C. With Asik, Young, Withey, Ryno, and AD - you got 5 guys who can play Center in a pinch. Only 2 guys that can play PF. Need to add another PF, not a Center like Ajinca IMO
Are you sure the money adds up to our own 3 million limit? the CBA FAQ is not very clear on that.
HERE'S PIERRE!!
If Bulls miss on Melo and Love, I still think that PF you're talking about could be Boozer traded for Gordon.
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Haven't Smith and Young both played PF?
Smith is not there amongst my 5. But yes, he can, which makes him a better fit than Ajinca IMO.
Young can defend 4's, but who is the Center you put him on the court with?? Imagine a lineup with him and Withey or Asik - offense would just be dead on arrival. So he almost has to play the 5. Basically, he has to play with AD or Ryno - and really just AD because of rebounding.
Don't see a need for Smith, but Young can play the 4 in spurts and likely will not see many minutes the first year or two anyway. I think Ajinca was a bargain.
Again, if you put Young at the 4, who is the 5? And how can that offense possibly function?
Gordon isn't going anywhere. Sad, but true.
Yeah I like the front line of Asik and AD starting. Ryno being the first big off the bench gettting 20 mins a game with Withey (being used for size and shot blocking ability), Young (hustle and defending), and maybe Jason (hustle and spread the floor with his mid range shot) being used as the alternate bigs.
I know you hope as much as I do that your wrong about that one! lol
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