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  1. #951
    do we know why gordon didn't play in the 4th? guy was money in the 3rd

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagios View Post
    Seems like when he's done it to other players in the past, it's worked. We will see...

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    Yeah you right it really worked with Marcus Thornton who's no longer on the team.

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    Oh how i wish everyone who's so judgemental's errors at work would be publically displayed. Tyreke seemed to understand, why can't our fans?

    He’s trying to figure me out still,” Evans said of his head coach before the game. “Most of the guys that came here are pretty much new [to the team] so he’s trying to fit everybody in and put me in the best position he can.” SheridanHoops

    "I don't know if people know — I dislocated my pinkie finger. And [Tyreke] told me, 'You wanna go home or you wanna be here?' I want to be here. And he said, 'All right, then go tape it up and let's play. Let's go. We not stoppin' at no stores. Straight gas. That's what we do, just keep going.'"

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    What is he supposed to say? "My coach is a ******* idiot who doesn't know what he's doing" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    What is he supposed to say? "My coach is a ******* idiot who doesn't know what he's doing" ?
    Take from it what you want. It seems like you're taking a ton of liberties already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    Take from it what you want. It seems like you're taking a ton of liberties already.
    What is he supposed to say if there is an issue (as Monty already alluded there was)? What player has called out a coach and had no repercussions as far as playing time or being traded? Unless he wants to be traded or to never get on there floor it makes no sense for him be negative.

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    We can throw in "what if" arguments all day. Seriously it's what this forum is all about

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    What is he supposed to say if there is an issue (as Monty already alluded there was)? What player has called out a coach and had no repercussions as far as playing time or being traded? Unless he wants to be traded or to never get on there floor it makes no sense for him be negative.
    He could say "no comment" if he didn't agree. he sure as hell wouldn't give the coach a pass if he weren't taking it in stride.

  9. #959
    This Tyreke situation has soured me quiet a bit on Monty. I'm willing to sit back and see how it plays out but if this turns into some huge thing that brings chaos to the team then I'm DONE with Monty. He has one thing going for him over countless other failing coaches and that's that the team doesn't get into trouble and there's no issues. If suddenly we start having some, dude can go pound sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    He could say "no comment" if he didn't agree. he sure as hell wouldn't give the coach a pass if he weren't taking it in stride.
    "no comment" would essentially be condemning Monty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    "no comment" would essentially be confirming that something is wrong.
    Yep. Without getting yourself in trouble.

    I think a lot of the anti Monty brigade see red anything involving Monty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLa. View Post
    We can throw in "what if" arguments all day. Seriously it's what this forum is all about
    Read again: Monty already alluded there was - no what ifs to what Monty said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    Yep. Without getting yourself in trouble.

    I think a lot of the anti Monty brigade see red anything involving Monty.
    And I think all of the pro Monty brigade refuse to see any of the negatives (please don't respond with I'm not even a Monty apologist)

    When Monty was asked on why Tyreke didn't play, he could have simply said "no comment" without getting himself in trouble or putting his player in an awkward situation now with the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    Read again: Monty already alluded there was - no what ifs to what Monty said.
    So why would it have been a bad thing if tyreke agreed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    And I think all of the pro Monty brigade refuse to see any of the negatives (please don't respond with I'm not even a Monty apologist)

    When Monty was asked on why Tyreke didn't play, he could have simply said "no comment" without getting himself in trouble or putting his player in an awkward situation now with the media.
    I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

    1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
    4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
    5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

    I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

    1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
    4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
    5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

    I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.
    This is how I feel. Don't necessarily hate him. I wouldn't want his job, but I don't love him either. But it's become way too common here at PR.com that if you don't complain in each and every thread about Monty then you're obviously a "supporter" or a "defender" or a "Monty apologist". I've always felt that when the team officials feel Monty isn't doing a good enough job, they will get rid of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyGirl View Post
    This is how I feel. Don't necessarily hate him. I wouldn't want his job, but I don't love him either. But it's become way too common here at PR.com that if you don't complain in each and every thread about Monty then you're obviously a "supporter" or a "defender" or a "Monty apologist". I've always felt that when the team officials feel Monty isn't doing a good enough job, they will get rid of him.

    Yep and not only that; if they got rid of him, who could we reasonably hire that we know for a fact would do a better job with this group? No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason. Why would they?

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    Just looking at this game, why was Gordon so effective? because he either brought the ball up or got it with more than 12 seconds in the shot clock every time. he's so effective handling the ball - most of his bad shooting games he is left to try & create with the shot clock down because we lollygag the ball up the court. how a coach doesn't utilize this is beyond me
    That is how Monty runs his offense dumbly enough is to dribble out the clock. It is why we have so many shot clock violations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    So why would it have been a bad thing if tyreke agreed?
    We were not talking about completing or bad mouthing the coach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

    1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
    4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
    5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

    I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.
    This whole post is just NOT TRUE. I do not disagree with every single thing he has done and have never once said everything he does is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    Yep and not only that; if they got rid of him, who could we reasonably hire that we know for a fact would do a better job with this group? No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason. Why would they?
    The majority of people who want Monty fired understand that a mid season firing accomplishes nothing and would rather wait until the offseason.

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    You say that is Evans could have said "no comment" and everything would have been fine, then why can't the same thing be said Monty? If it truly is an internal issue, keep it internal and say no comment, instead of adding fuel to the fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

    1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
    3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
    4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
    5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

    I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.
    not surprising in the least, but another very good post.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    This whole post is just NOT TRUE. I do not disagree with every single thing he has done and have never once said everything he does is wrong.
    Ok you like the way he ties his tie. You and 504 byrd are the head of the players hold no accountability class. I haven't seen you post one thing Monty does well since the season

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    Yep and not only that; if they got rid of him, who could we reasonably hire that we know for a fact would do a better job with this group? No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason. Why would they?
    Apparently any and everyone else. All will be right with the world. Some guys here would even be up for the job. Would that be reasonable in your opinion? LOL.

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