Pelicans to meet with Tyreke Evans (offer has been made)

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

That's what I was thinking but I don't think the rules allow us to even if Mr Benson would go into the lux.

Can anyone confirm this?

TY

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Nevermind......Thanks Nola

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Originally Posted by TxAggie713

I have no doubt we can find a taker for Lopez at that contract even if it is fully guaranteed. Heck, the Sixers could use Lopez at least until Nerlens "Sam Bowie Greg Oden" Noel comes back around New Years.

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S&T with 6ers for Wright and a 2015 2nd round, with Wright getting the MLE. Would that work?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

S&T with 6ers for Wright and a 2015 2nd round, with Wright getting the MLE. Would that work?

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If Wright is a free agent would this actually work?

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

If Wright is a free agent would this actually work?

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Dunno, that's why I asked. Lol

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

S&T with 6ers for Wright and a 2015 2nd round, with Wright getting the MLE. Would that work?

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That would kill the whole point of trading Lopez.

Remember, we HAVE to clear 5.5 million in cap space between now and the 10th. Taking back salary for Lopez kills the whole point of trading him

You can take back a little if you plan to trade Vasquez, but not much. No more than 2 to 2.5 million

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Doesn't make any sense. The Kings have no obligations to sweeten the pot for Evans. Unless we pull our deal, if they want him they just need to match. Unless he signs a qualifying, but no one does that. Kings would have to be incompetent to offer a higher deal. THEY have the edge in retaining him no matter what. It's a deal not suited for them, but all the same.

I don't buy it.

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Assuming the report of Demps' structuring the deal to maximize Sac's difficulty in retaining is correct, they could have asked him if he'd be willing to just sign their offer. He and his agent then reply, "you want us to do that, hike up your offer and it's done." Sac declines to add money to the deal, Evans just needs to sign our offer sheet; he doesn't need to cave to them, and it sounds like he might get paid more up front in our deal.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

So we are pretty much #$#%@^ then?

I wouldn't take the risk.
The Kings will sign him IMO.

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As noted, Tyreke's agent is the same as Anthony Davis' and others. You can bet that the Pels aren't yanking the offer from Tyreke. Not that they would, it's bad business practice. But it's Reke or the bargain bin.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Assuming the report of Demps' structuring the deal to maximize Sac's difficulty in retaining is correct, they could have asked him if he'd be willing to just sign their offer. He and his agent then reply, "you want us to do that, hike up your offer and it's done." Sac declines to add money to the deal, Evans just needs to sign our offer sheet; he doesn't need to cave to them, and it sounds like he might get paid more up front in our deal.

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I think the two things that are in the deal that make it bad for Kings are:

1.) Trade Kicker
2.) 4th year player option

Wish there was a way to get Tyreke, keep Lopez, n move EG for a SF. Know not possible but would be nice. Imagine jrue, tyreke, decent SF, Davis, Lopez. Bench with GV and RA playing heavy minutes. I know GV will prob be traded but with his low salary n if he is not a starter would be nice to keep.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Assuming the report of Demps' structuring the deal to maximize Sac's difficulty in retaining is correct, they could have asked him if he'd be willing to just sign their offer. He and his agent then reply, "you want us to do that, hike up your offer and it's done." Sac declines to add money to the deal, Evans just needs to sign our offer sheet; he doesn't need to cave to them, and it sounds like he might get paid more up front in our deal.

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I think it's probably just a trade kicker that is added to the contract. I think Sacramento can offer Evans more than we can if they wanted to.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

That would kill the whole point of trading Lopez.

Remember, we HAVE to clear 5.5 million in cap space between now and the 10th. Taking back salary for Lopez kills the whole point of trading him

You can take back a little if you plan to trade Vasquez, but not much. No more than 2 to 2.5 million

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Would this trade work if we did a S&T for Evans and sent back Vasquez? Gravy's contract is slightly more than MLE right? Tis might be the best possible outcome for us and most likely wont happen.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Would this trade work if we did a S&T for Evans and sent back Vasquez? Gravy's contract is slightly more than MLE right? Tis might be the best possible outcome for us and most likely wont happen.

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Under 2.2mil

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm

Trade GV for Evans and you still need to clear about 3 mil. Could trade Smith or Rivers and then dump all the little guys like Roberts, Thomas, Miller, etc. and get there.

Only way you keep Lopez. Gotta lose Lopez OR GV, and either Smith or Rivers. I choose Lopez personally

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

I don't see why you can't remove the trade kicker if we do a S&T.

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Why would Evans agree to that? It takes a lot of money out of his pocket in the event of a future trade.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Trade GV for Evans and you still need to clear about 3 mil. Could trade Smith or Rivers and then dump all the little guys like Roberts, Thomas, Miller, etc. and get there.

Only way you keep Lopez. Gotta lose Lopez OR GV, and either Smith or Rivers. I choose Lopez personally

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Why are we assuming Benson won't pay a little luxury tax?

It's not about the Luxury tax it's about the CAP

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Trade GV for Evans and you still need to clear about 3 mil. Could trade Smith or Rivers and then dump all the little guys like Roberts, Thomas, Miller, etc. and get there.

Only way you keep Lopez. Gotta lose Lopez OR GV, and either Smith or Rivers. I choose Lopez personally

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If that's the case Lopez has to go, I would be so upset if Rivers is gone

Well can't you go over the cap if you pay three times every million you are over?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Why would Evans agree to that? It takes a lot of money out of his pocket in the event of a future trade.

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Because the trade kicker was added on our part to prevent the Kings from matching.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Because the trade kicker was added on our part to prevent the Kings from matching.

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Why is it so prohibitive for Sac to match? I guess b/c Demps assumes if they do, it would be with the idea of dealing him down the road (once Ben McLemore matures?)

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Why is it so prohibitive for Sac to match? I guess b/c Demps assumes if they do, it would be with the idea of dealing him down the road (once Ben McLemore matures?)

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That's the idea. It essentially makes him extremely hard to trade if he doesn't live up to his contract ala Gordon.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Well can't you go over the cap if you pay three times every million you are over?

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I don't think it's that easy, other wise Mark Cuban would have every good player and the other more wealthier owners would do the same. It would be an arms race, who's pockets are the deepest.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Trade GV for Evans and you still need to clear about 3 mil. Could trade Smith or Rivers and then dump all the little guys like Roberts, Thomas, Miller, etc. and get there.

Only way you keep Lopez. Gotta lose Lopez OR GV, and either Smith or Rivers. I choose Lopez personally

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I'm no expert but I'd rather lose GV / Smith n those guys than Lopez. At under 6 mil a year, he is a bargain. After get rid of EG you have plenty of money to fill out roster with low cost guys. Just my opinion, I'm excited to possibly see jrue n tyreke starting on team.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Because the trade kicker was added on our part to prevent the Kings from matching.

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Ok, but it is still big money in Evans pocket if he were to get traded. Why would he allow it to be removed from his potential future income. He is not trying to make it more difficult for the Kings to match. He is just trying to get the most $$$, regardless of who pays it.

Lopez over Smith all pass, Smith is better in most area's and gets paid about the same.

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Originally Posted by Jackaveli

I'm no expert but I'd rather lose GV / Smith n those guys than Lopez. At under 6 mil a year, he is a bargain. After get rid of EG you have plenty of money to fill out roster with low cost guys. Just my opinion, I'm excited to possibly see jrue n tyreke starting on team.

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It's logical, but I disagree. I think I can find a guy to give me 12-15 minutes at center with room exception this year, then use MLE to get a guy to fill that role next year and beyond. Lopez is replaceable IMO. Guys like Smith are more rare and he is on an even better deal

This won't break me if we miss out on Reke but this is crazy :hihi:

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Ok, but it is still big money in Evans pocket if he were to get traded. Why would he allow it to be removed from his potential future income. He is not trying to make it more difficult for the Kings to match. He is just trying to get the most $$$, regardless of who pays it.

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Ok, I got to the bottom of it.

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Teams are permitted to write a bonus called a "trade bonus" (sometimes referred to as a "trade kicker") into contracts. This bonus is paid to the player when he is traded, but only upon his first trade and not upon any subsequent trades (in the case of a sign-and-trade, they don't count the initial trade when the contract is signed).

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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q96

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Ok, I got to the bottom of it.


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q96

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Oh, so if I read this correctly, there is a special rule for S&Ts? If so, that makes me feel better.

Sign Tyreke Evans
Sign Chris Copeland
Sign Samuel Dalembert

Trade:
Pels receive Klay Thompson, T'Wolves '14 1st, Warriors '14 2nd
Warriors receive Eric Gordon, Alexey Shved
T'Wolves receive David Lee

Trade:
Pels receive Danny Granger
Pacers receive Greivis Vasquez


Holiday/Rivers/Jackson
Thompson/Evans/Harris
Granger/Miller/Thomas
Davis/Anderson/Smith
Lopez/Dalembert

Possible anyone?

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Originally Posted by bustahyndes

Sign Tyreke Evans
Sign Chris Copeland
Sign Samuel Dalembert

Trade:
Pels receive Klay Thompson, T'Wolves '14 1st, Warriors '14 2nd
Warriors receive Eric Gordon, Alexey Shved
T'Wolves receive David Lee

Trade:
Pels receive Danny Granger
Pacers receive Greivis Vasquez


Holiday/Rivers/Jackson
Thompson/Evans/Harris
Granger/Miller/Thomas
Davis/Anderson/Smith
Lopez/Dalembert

Possible anyone?

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Wolves just landed Kevin Martin on a big deal. The Warriors are trying to get into the Dwight sweepstakes.

if Pels land Evans are they likely to trade Gordon?

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Originally Posted by rebelman

if Pels land Evans are they likely to trade Gordon?

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From the looks of it, no

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

It's logical, but I disagree. I think I can find a guy to give me 12-15 minutes at center with room exception this year, then use MLE to get a guy to fill that role next year and beyond. Lopez is replaceable IMO. Guys like Smith are more rare and he is on an even better deal

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After this year who know's what Smith will command.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

After this year who know's what Smith will command.

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Not as big of a deal next year when we're setting ourselves up to be over the cap and using the MLE.

Like the Saints with 3 string rb's, Dell takes journeymen and castoffs and turns them into jewels that he can trade off. If we lose Lopez or Smith we can replace them like we did with Ayon and Juju.

JuJu you are kidding? Smith is the key to this move for Tyreke!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Like the Saints with 3 string rb's, Dell takes journeymen and castoffs and turns them into jewels that he can trade off. If we lose Lopez or Smith we can replace them like we did with Ayon and Juju.

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Apples and Oranges. A guy like Smith is very hard to find, especially character wise.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Apples and Oranges. A guy like Smith is very hard to find, especially character wise.

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I agree with this

Monty loves Smith. He is about the only player he consistently praises in interviews.

I wonder how Suns fans feel about this!

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Kings wanted answer that Iguodala wasn't ready to give, so they pulled out and moved on. They'll regroup & decide on Tyreke Evans etc.

— Sam Amick (@sam_amick) July 3, 2013

Looks like we'll have to move to plan B, C, etc.

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Iggy was using the Kings to get more money. Not their fault they pulled the offer. Nice to see a team sticking it to a player

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Iggy was using the Kings to get more money. Not their fault they pulled the offer. Nice to see a team sticking it to a player

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All rumors and speculations. None of which were ever confirmed.

Yes, JuJu, Ayon, Etc. guys who nobody wanted before that Dell moved for something. The same will happen should we lose Smith or Lopez. It's not like people were knocking down these guys doors before, but now after these guys have shown that they can play they will net you more than you could have commanded prior.

I want this to end. I just want to watch basketball again and forget that I have almost memorized 100s of pages of legal crap for this horrific time of year. Why can't they just play a huge pickup tournament every year?

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

All rumors and speculations. None of which were ever confirmed.

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It's all speculation that AI went to Denver after Sacramento made him an offer? What was the point in going back to Denver. It was to see if they would counter. That's the reason he never signed that offer with the Kings, he was using them, and he got burnt.

I thought we were supposed to be posting in the "part two" thread now? But anyways, this will the the longest 6 days of my life, possibly 9 if the Kings refuse to match or wait till the last minute to screw us.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It's all speculation that AI went to Denver after Sacramento made him an offer? What was the point in going back to Denver. It was to see if they would counter. That's the reason he never signed that offer with the Kings, he was using them, and he got burnt.

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The Kings pulled the offer after 3 hours. The same evening they made the offer. You have ZERO proof that he was using Sacramento to leverage another deal. All you have is a bunch of speculations and rumors that came out of the Kings beat writers and bloggers mouth. Guess what? They said the same crap about Evans. And they were once again wrong.

Do you think either us or sac are interested in a lopez+vasquez for evans deal?

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

Do you think either us or sac are interested in a lopez+vasquez for evans deal?

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Always a possibility. We have to first find out if the Kings are interested in a S&T for Evans. Once we have the confirmation we're looking for, it'll be easier to figure out. I think If Lopez is not waived or moved by the 5th, I think there's a good chance he's part of a S&T.