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02-10-2014, 08:32 AM
AD23nEG10

do we know why gordon didn't play in the 4th? guy was money in the 3rd
02-10-2014, 08:37 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by hagios

Seems like when he's done it to other players in the past, it's worked. We will see...

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Yeah you right it really worked with Marcus Thornton who's no longer on the team.
02-10-2014, 09:17 AM
BallSoHard

Oh how i wish everyone who's so judgemental's errors at work would be publically displayed. Tyreke seemed to understand, why can't our fans?

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He’s trying to figure me out still,” Evans said of his head coach before the game. “Most of the guys that came here are pretty much new [to the team] so he’s trying to fit everybody in and put me in the best position he can.” SheridanHoops
02-10-2014, 09:26 AM
RaisingTheBar

What is he supposed to say? "My coach is a ******* idiot who doesn't know what he's doing" ?
02-10-2014, 09:31 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What is he supposed to say? "My coach is a ******* idiot who doesn't know what he's doing" ?

Take from it what you want. It seems like you're taking a ton of liberties already.
02-10-2014, 10:26 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Take from it what you want. It seems like you're taking a ton of liberties already.

What is he supposed to say if there is an issue (as Monty already alluded there was)? What player has called out a coach and had no repercussions as far as playing time or being traded? Unless he wants to be traded or to never get on there floor it makes no sense for him be negative.
02-10-2014, 10:29 AM
NOLa.

We can throw in "what if" arguments all day. Seriously it's what this forum is all about
02-10-2014, 10:33 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What is he supposed to say if there is an issue (as Monty already alluded there was)? What player has called out a coach and had no repercussions as far as playing time or being traded? Unless he wants to be traded or to never get on there floor it makes no sense for him be negative.

He could say "no comment" if he didn't agree. he sure as hell wouldn't give the coach a pass if he weren't taking it in stride.
02-10-2014, 10:34 AM
Mythrol

This Tyreke situation has soured me quiet a bit on Monty. I'm willing to sit back and see how it plays out but if this turns into some huge thing that brings chaos to the team then I'm DONE with Monty. He has one thing going for him over countless other failing coaches and that's that the team doesn't get into trouble and there's no issues. If suddenly we start having some, dude can go pound sand.
02-10-2014, 10:41 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

He could say "no comment" if he didn't agree. he sure as hell wouldn't give the coach a pass if he weren't taking it in stride.

"no comment" would essentially be condemning Monty.
02-10-2014, 10:42 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

"no comment" would essentially be confirming that something is wrong.

Yep. Without getting yourself in trouble.

I think a lot of the anti Monty brigade see red anything involving Monty.
02-10-2014, 10:43 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

We can throw in "what if" arguments all day. Seriously it's what this forum is all about

Read again: Monty already alluded there was - no what ifs to what Monty said.
02-10-2014, 10:45 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yep. Without getting yourself in trouble.

I think a lot of the anti Monty brigade see red anything involving Monty.

And I think all of the pro Monty brigade refuse to see any of the negatives (please don't respond with I'm not even a Monty apologist)

When Monty was asked on why Tyreke didn't play, he could have simply said "no comment" without getting himself in trouble or putting his player in an awkward situation now with the media.
02-10-2014, 10:46 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Read again: Monty already alluded there was - no what ifs to what Monty said.

So why would it have been a bad thing if tyreke agreed?
02-10-2014, 10:56 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

And I think all of the pro Monty brigade refuse to see any of the negatives (please don't respond with I'm not even a Monty apologist)

When Monty was asked on why Tyreke didn't play, he could have simply said "no comment" without getting himself in trouble or putting his player in an awkward situation now with the media.

I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.
02-10-2014, 11:01 AM
FlyGirl

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.

This is how I feel. Don't necessarily hate him. I wouldn't want his job, but I don't love him either. But it's become way too common here at PR.com that if you don't complain in each and every thread about Monty then you're obviously a "supporter" or a "defender" or a "Monty apologist". I've always felt that when the team officials feel Monty isn't doing a good enough job, they will get rid of him.
02-10-2014, 11:05 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

This is how I feel. Don't necessarily hate him. I wouldn't want his job, but I don't love him either. But it's become way too common here at PR.com that if you don't complain in each and every thread about Monty then you're obviously a "supporter" or a "defender" or a "Monty apologist". I've always felt that when the team officials feel Monty isn't doing a good enough job, they will get rid of him.

Yep and not only that; if they got rid of him, who could we reasonably hire that we know for a fact would do a better job with this group? No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason. Why would they?
02-10-2014, 11:07 AM
504ByrdGang

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFX5Cq_dEm4

Just looking at this game, why was Gordon so effective? because he either brought the ball up or got it with more than 12 seconds in the shot clock every time. he's so effective handling the ball - most of his bad shooting games he is left to try & create with the shot clock down because we lollygag the ball up the court. how a coach doesn't utilize this is beyond me

That is how Monty runs his offense dumbly enough is to dribble out the clock. It is why we have so many shot clock violations.

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02-10-2014, 11:07 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

So why would it have been a bad thing if tyreke agreed?

We were not talking about completing or bad mouthing the coach?
02-10-2014, 11:08 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.

This whole post is just NOT TRUE. I do not disagree with every single thing he has done and have never once said everything he does is wrong.
02-10-2014, 11:09 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yep and not only that; if they got rid of him, who could we reasonably hire that we know for a fact would do a better job with this group? No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason. Why would they?

The majority of people who want Monty fired understand that a mid season firing accomplishes nothing and would rather wait until the offseason.
02-10-2014, 11:13 AM
RaisingTheBar

You say that is Evans could have said "no comment" and everything would have been fine, then why can't the same thing be said Monty? If it truly is an internal issue, keep it internal and say no comment, instead of adding fuel to the fire.
02-10-2014, 11:14 AM
ramsters60

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I don't even love Monty as a coach. I just refuse to lamblast every single action he makes. It's outlandish. You guys don't give this dude ANY credit for anything. I refuse to see anything he does wrong? Please. If you think he does anything right on this board you're an 'apologist'. this board is turning into some extreme bias type political site where it doesn't matter what the other side does, IT'S WRONG. It's a joke just like politics. Let's talk about the weapons Monty has at his disposal to tell players they're doing something wrong.

1.) He can speak to him and see if he corrects it. Do you think he hasn't done that?
2.) He can yell at him on the court. Do you think he hasn't done that?
3.) He can not give him PT to show him, he really means it. Which he is doing.
4.) He can play the media game which Phil Jackson has done on numerous occassions (not saying he's Phil Jackson) to get a message across. \
5.) He can tell the GM this guy just isn't getting it and to try and move him.

I feel like Monty is trying to get a message across to Tyreke and is using the escalation process in the right order. If a guy refuses to do something you're asking him to do explain to me how it'd be better handled? Let him play and let him know that no matter what is said you get your money and PT? I love Tyreke and his game, but you must play within your coach's system. There is literally no other leverage a coach has over his players.

not surprising in the least, but another very good post.....
02-10-2014, 11:16 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

This whole post is just NOT TRUE. I do not disagree with every single thing he has done and have never once said everything he does is wrong.

Ok you like the way he ties his tie. You and 504 byrd are the head of the players hold no accountability class. I haven't seen you post one thing Monty does well since the season
02-10-2014, 11:16 AM
FlyGirl

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yep and not only that; if they got rid of him, who could we reasonably hire that we know for a fact would do a better job with this group? No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason. Why would they?

Apparently any and everyone else. All will be right with the world. Some guys here would even be up for the job. Would that be reasonable in your opinion? LOL.
02-10-2014, 11:20 AM
NOLa.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

This is how I feel. Don't necessarily hate him. I wouldn't want his job, but I don't love him either. But it's become way too common here at PR.com that if you don't complain in each and every thread about Monty then you're obviously a "supporter" or a "defender" or a "Monty apologist". I've always felt that when the team officials feel Monty isn't doing a good enough job, they will get rid of him.

Agree with this post, sums up how a few of us feel. The whole witch hunt involving Monty is hilarious
02-10-2014, 11:20 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Ok you like the way he ties his tie. You and 504 byrd are the head of the players hold no accountability class. I haven't seen you post one thing Monty does well since the season

If you really feel that way I'm sorry and I'd hate to view things the way you do. You only read the posts you want to argue about and gloss over the rest. I have many times got on Gordon's case, Steimsa, Roberts, Rivers, Aminu, even Jrue when he was struggling (EVEN EVANS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR - the guy this is all about). So keep spewing your lies it's all good.
02-10-2014, 11:25 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

If you really feel that way I'm sorry and I'd hate to view things the way you do. You only read the posts you want to argue about and gloss over the rest. I have many times got on Gordon's case, Steimsa, Roberts, Rivers, Aminu, even Jrue when he was struggling (EVEN EVANS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR - the guy this is all about). So keep spewing your lies it's all good.

First off, I said you never give him credit for anything. Not that you disagreed with everything. That's pretty close to fact. You may have said something nice since the beginning of the season but I'd bet it's about a ratio of 1/50 (good to bad). So keep spewing your augmented arguments, it's all good. The base of the argument, which you conveniently left out to cherry pick a very specific point, was the tools a coach has at his disposal to get his message across. You disagreed how he handled it; please tell me the better way. Just let him get away with not listening ? I'm seriously asking.
02-10-2014, 11:26 AM
FlyGirl

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Agree with this post, sums up how a few of us feel. The whole witch hunt involving Monty is hilarious

It's true though. When they feel Monty is not doing a good enough job, they will get rid of him and not a minute sooner. I understand people's frustrations. I really do. Because every fan wants their team to win. But until they feel it necessary, it won't happen.
02-10-2014, 11:27 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

Apparently any and everyone else. All will be right with the world. Some guys here would even be up for the job. Would that be reasonable in your opinion? LOL.

:hihi: yep. The basketball iq of this forum is off the charts apparently. I guess were the few dumb dumbs on the board that can't do what he does.
02-10-2014, 11:30 AM
BallSoHard

I just want people to be fair. Did I like the tyreke benching ? Nope he's one of my favorite players. Do I understand that there was a reason and coaches have limited ability to hold guys accountable. Yep.
02-10-2014, 11:32 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

It's true though. When they feel Monty is not doing a good enough job, they will get rid of him and not a minute sooner. I understand people's frustrations. I really do. Because every fan wants their team to win. But until they feel it necessary, it won't happen.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

:hihi: yep. The basketball iq of this forum is off the charts apparently. I guess were the few dumb dumbs on the board that can't do what he does.

I've had to say it quite a few times before and this is what happens when people ignore posts:

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

The majority of people who want Monty fired understand that a mid season firing accomplishes nothing and would rather wait until the offseason.

But people what say anyone who is against Monty wants him gone RIGHT NOW!!!!! If you guys would actually ask people who has issues with Monty, I think you would realize that most do not think an in-season firing would help. But it's OK keep on.
02-10-2014, 11:34 AM
BallSoHard

Where did anyone say you said that?
02-10-2014, 11:36 AM
NOLa.

My advice is to not take posts on a forum directly.
02-10-2014, 11:37 AM
FlyGirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I've had to say it quite a few times before and this is what happens when people ignore posts:

But people what say anyone who is against Monty wants him gone RIGHT NOW!!!!! If you guys would actually ask people who has issues with Monty, I think you would realize that most do not think an in-season firing would help. But it's OK keep on.

But yet, here is this thread, constantly growing. I guess the majority that knows firing him right now would not help are not participating in this thread? But yet it's still such a big thread. I try to stay out of it because it really serves no purpose but, I have a duty.
02-10-2014, 11:38 AM
RaisingTheBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by BallSoHard

First off, I said you never give him credit for anything. Not that you disagreed with everything. That's pretty close to fact. You may have said something nice since the beginning of the season but I'd bet it's about a ratio of 1/50 (good to bad). So keep spewing your augmented arguments, it's all good. The base of the argument, which you conveniently left out to cherry pick a very specific point, was the tools a coach has at his disposal to get his message across. You disagreed how he handled it; please tell me the better way. Just let him get away with not listening ? I'm seriously asking.

If you really want to be that ridiculous I will go back and search through my posts where I have given Monty credit for something but that will take a while. If it's a ratio if 1/50 that is because poster keep bringing up the same arguments and I have to keep restating the facts. I only have really had issues with Monty in 2 key areas: his rotations, and stubbornness to adjusts defense to team personnel. And now this thing with Tyreke. Anything I have said about him can be tied into one of those areas. If 5 different people bring up the same point 5 different times I'm going to say my opinion 5 different times. You do the same thing so what is the difference? I don't complain about that to you.
02-10-2014, 11:40 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

But yet, here is this thread, constantly growing. I guess the majority that knows firing him right now would not help are not participating in this thread? But yet it's still such a big thread. I try to stay out of it because it really serves no purpose but, I have a duty.

Well I think the purpose of the thread is so that we wouldn't have a fire Monty thread after every game, which I'd much rather a 40 page thread that the multiple merges, but idc how that is handled, figured it would be easier on you guys.
02-10-2014, 11:41 AM
BallSoHard

Ok again I try and get to the root of the argument and it's ignored. Have a good day.
02-10-2014, 11:43 AM
RaisingTheBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Where did anyone say you said that?

"No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason." Look at what you assumed.
02-10-2014, 11:46 AM
NOLa.

I argue that is more true than an assumption.
02-10-2014, 11:49 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Ok again I try and get to the root of the argument and it's ignored. Have a good day.

I didn't ignore it I already explained it and am tired of repeating myself. You said that Evans could have said "no comment", I followed it up with why couldn't Monty have said "no comment" when being asked about why Evans did not play instead of adding fuel to the fire. But you never responded.
02-10-2014, 11:50 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

I argue that is more true than an assumption.

:crytear: I'm not saying that a good coach wouldn't take a job mid season. I'm saying BSH said that when asking who could do better than Monty, so he was assuming that anyone who wants Monty fired wants it done mid-season.
02-10-2014, 11:53 AM
UptownFuz504

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

:hihi: yep. The basketball iq of this forum is off the charts apparently. I guess were the few dumb dumbs on the board that can't do what he does.

There are so many GM's and head coaches on this site.
02-10-2014, 11:53 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I didn't ignore it I already explained it and am tired of repeating myself. You said that Evans could have said "no comment", I followed it up with why couldn't Monty have said "no comment" when being asked about why Evans did not play instead of adding fuel to the fire. But you never responded.

Nope. Not the question and i'm tired of asking the same thing.
02-10-2014, 11:54 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

"No good coach is going to take a job during the midseason." Look at what you assumed.

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02-10-2014, 11:57 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Nope. Not the question and i'm tired of asking the same thing.

Well that was the only thing I have posted in this thread this morning about Monty so I guess you need to ask someone else.
02-10-2014, 11:58 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

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Be serious for a second and look at what I responded to nola please.
02-10-2014, 11:59 AM
Kurgan

Goodness me this board is becoming whiningreport.com.
02-10-2014, 12:12 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

:crytear: I'm not saying that a good coach wouldn't take a job mid season. I'm saying BSH said that when asking who could do better than Monty, so he was assuming that anyone who wants Monty fired wants it done mid-season.

No, YOU assumed that. I never said EVERYONE who wants Monty fired wants it done now. You took it personally. There have been PLENTY of people who have said this.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Monty needs to leave now before its too late and he destroys the teams and players confidence.

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[QUOTE=Pelican Tech;1162798]I agree 100 % with everything u have stated.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by TheKeymaster

I agree as well, I think there needs to be a poll. I'm sure the guys over at BSS will be as silent as ever though on the team's coaching problems.

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Originally Posted by LoneyROY7

Co-signed.

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Originally Posted by Bspoon

I'm in !!

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Originally Posted by TheKeymaster

I really don't care if we bring in a big name coach or just hire an interim or assistant off the bench. At this point I think most of us fans just want Monty gone and to see someone with a different perspective try to lead the team. Wish the team would've hired Marc Jackson when they had the chance.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Personally, I think anybody who thinks we could get Hollins or Karl or Van Gundy, etc. THIS YEAR, is living in a dream world. Good, veteran coaches want a training camp to implement their system. Only way you get a big name who can actually coach after the season has already started is if you are a contender or in a big market throwing around big bucks.

Don't believe me? Go find me examples of good, proven coaches who went to a non-contending, small market team after the season already started.

Not an option.

Replying to above:

[QUOTE=504ByrdGang;1162918]I think george karl would easily take this job[/QUOTE]

Another quote from MM post

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Originally Posted by ItIsRynosTime

1) Try to interview Karl, Hollins, Jeff Van Gundy, SVG, Jerry Sloan, and whoever else.

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Originally Posted by Hercule

You do have a point. But both those coaches were fired, and we do have an intriguing roster, with an emerging superstar. Would they really totally snub their noses at us just because they didn't want to wait for the offseason? I just have to think that AD will be a very enticing draw for a coach.

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Originally Posted by PelicanFever

now i am starting to think he should be fired during the season if we continue to get outhustled and play with no energy...if it comes to the point where the writing is on the wall for monty, then there is no point in sticking with him for the season...and maybe a change would bring about energy, who knows..wouldn't make things any worse

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Originally Posted by Pelican Tech

Id rather lose with an crappy interim coach for just the remainder of the season than lose with Monty.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Count me in this crowd. I am tired of no energy/passion, the same excuses and mistakes, and the poor rotations/use of players.

this is just the first 4 pages.
02-10-2014, 12:16 PM
Inner_GI

lol

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