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We need more offense not more defense Kessler can be found for cheaper John collins suck go get Drummond call it a day want more money let cj off the books he’s not worth the money more than Brandon’s not worth it 26 years old compared to 33 34 easy choice
If one is moved I think the deciding factor will be cj you ready for a bench role or Brandon are you willing to take less than the max after underperforming which one do y’all think is more likely ?
I could go along with that. I think ideally we pickup a starting Center and flex backup for the 4 and 5 spots, plus picks, depending on the players.Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
I can work out what you're saying but it would be a lot easier if you used punctuation.
We need more offense, that's true, but that doesn't necessarily need to come from the C position - besides, that trade involves getting John Collins back who is a good player who has shown he's capable of putting up 20/10 in the past including acting as a stretch big. It's true he hasn't averaged that in a few years now (he was 15/8 last season) but he's still only 26 and buying low on people who you believe in is how you get success stories. I think he has more in him than he's been able to show for a while.
CJ is older than BI, this is true, but he's also much cheaper and his contract is shorter. The new BI extension is going to keep him locked up in 2029, whoever gives him it, and is going to cost likely around $50m a year. The fit with him and DJM is also atrocious. Shopping CJ is still an option, but that would be shopping him as well as BI, rather than instead, imo.
Basketball.
Jonas was good on offense but we just couldn't commit to making him a focus because Z, BI, and CJ are offensive minded. After adding Murray I just don't see the Pelicans wanting an offensive threat at center. We need someone who is a great rebounder, rim protector, and can move his feet better than Jonas.
Exactly, and that trade does that. You move CJ to the bench and go into the season with DJM/Trey/Herb/Zion/Kessler as your starting 5, so you have more shooting. CJ's coming off the bench (maybe he gets moved later in the year, if a deal comes up) Hawk, Matt Ryan, Reeves, Collins on the bench, all shooters for their position. Alvarado and Missi not really shooting threats but energy players who can run against backups and defend in certain lineups.
Plus we'd be recouping picks, which means if we need to send some out with CJ to get the right deal, we'd have them without having to eat into our own picks.
Why would you trade cj after Ingram ??? Just curious I would think the Ingram trade would be one to make this team a complete one ?
Who’s to say with Brandon’s best friend Murray and his other best friend Jose being here and him liking it here isn’t enough incentive to take a friendly deal to compete
Who's the person in your life that you're friends enough with to forfeit $10m to work with?
Time to cash in on Ingram
If I’m making 30 40 like my area feel comfortable with my surroundings I can think of a few you know people do turn down more money depending on the situation right ?
Good pick up on Murray. Even Bobby Marks hinted this two days ago when y’all were drooling for Trae.
Pelicans current roster without any moves has 10 players guaranteed. Note, Antonio Reeves has not signed anything yet that would guarantee a spot. Certainly can lead to interesting constructions moving forward in terms of trade.
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 29, 2024
We don't have enough people signed to contracts to meet the league minimum right now, we only have about $3m left, and we still have no starting C.
Apparently we sent EJ Liddell to ATL too. So that means we sent out 3 players and got back 1.
So we can take an imbalanced trade coming back (that is, more than one player for Ingram as long as their total cost isn't much higher than his).
That's a good spot to be in, makes things more flexible.
Well certainly not named Ingram
https://hoopshype.com/2024/06/28/zio...rockets-radar/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-rockets-radar
Houston is stalking Zion
I'm being real with you here, I do not have any friends that I would turn down $10-$15m dollars just to work with - and if they're real friends, they'd want you to get your bag.
BI is watching Immanuel Quickley get $35m a year and OG Anunoby get $42m a year. The idea that he's going to take $40m or so is a joke - his max contract could offer him as much as $61m in its final year and we're talking like he's going to leave that much cash on the table just to stay playing with Jose Alvarado?
If he did that, his agent should be fed into a woodchipper.
Brace yourselves for anything, lads. I highly doubt Zion goes and BI is who I would bet money on but we need a big. It would not surprise me to see Herb or Trey get moved for one. Griff recently said that Gayle has no limit put on their spending, insinuating that they have just been waiting for the right opportunity to go all in and push into the luxury tax.
Also brave yourself because this board is about to get crowded.
Let's not do the pointless clickbait, shall we?
Both of those links point back to the same article by Sam Amick, where Amick says:
The original source for the ''Zion to Houston'' smoke is an article where Amick says that that's not going to happenSo who are the Rockets interested in as franchise centerpiece material? League sources say that Cleveland's Donovan Mitchell (who is 27 and is widely expected to sign an extension with the Cavs soon), the Suns' Devin Booker (also 27) and New Orleans' Zion Williamson (23) would all fit the bill. The only problem, of course, is that none of them are expected to be available any time soon.
Can we please stop the clickbait. Houston has been linked to everyone from Kevin Durant to Zion to Mitchell this off-season. It's clear they're making calls everywhere but nobody is interested in doing business.
Jesus if this happens
https://fadeawayworld.net/houston-ro...novan-mitchell
Griff said that Gayle has put no limit on them and then the very next sentence said that they ''can't'' be an apron team.
So that means there is a limit on them.
Ofcourse you wouldn’t have you ever had even a million dollars lol let’s be fr. Your pocket watching not everyone lives that way do you remember Lebrons big 3 someone took less money plenty of players have
Carmelo didn’t he also never became a champion just saying , he could do a 2/3 year extension play above that and cash in later /increase his value from the bad season he just had sometimes you have to think further than the now he’s 26 with all star level pay he could get atleast two more big contracts it’s okay you want him gone I rather cj gone we will see what direction the team goes in
Jake is taking his time getting a Locked on Pels vid up! I'm too excited to have to listen to awful debate YouTube vids.
Last edited by msusousaphone; 06-28-2024 at 07:48 PM.
Look, there's no need to resort to name-calling. You can't say I'm pocket-watching because I don't think someone's going to take a pay-cut at the same time when you're sat there hoping that he will because of how much he's made in the past. We're both talking about how much money another person is going to accept or not, get off the high horse.
This is a very Dell Demps type deal.
The only reason I can think of to make this is the first domino is that they want it to have some kind of effect on extension talks because it’s impossible to pay both Trey and Ingram now unless CJ for expirings is in the works.
I also don’t really like Murray the player. If Willie can get defensive buy in then it could work, but he was a net negative in ATL. To me this was an uncreative and somewhat desperate trade but I’ll hold my breath for the completed picture.
I didn’t call you out your name pocket watching is an action and by pointing out what other people are making comparisons to another is pocket watching lol I never brought up any numbers I just said he could take a team friendly deal that’s not pocket watching I didn’t intend to hit a nerve I apologize
Last edited by Algiersraised; 06-28-2024 at 08:18 PM.
I agree that Murray needs to buy in defensively, though I do think betting on WG to get defense out of someone is a much better assumption than trying to get him to bring offense out of someone.
It has to be the first domino. There's no way that this is the only move - as mentioned by myself and others, we are less than $3m away from the luxury tax with no Center on the roster other than Missi. We have never been a luxury tax team and probably never will be - at least until we prove we're a real contender.
So there must be another move in the works. What it is, is hard to know. A BI move seems the most obvious but who knows, honestly?
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