Any chance Jabari falls out of the top 3, then what would it take to trade up to 4? Say the draft goes Chet, Paolo, IveyOriginally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
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Any chance Jabari falls out of the top 3, then what would it take to trade up to 4? Say the draft goes Chet, Paolo, Ivey
If you want someone to give you hope that something extremely unlikely will happen…. I ain’t your guy. Lol
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Fair enough
Sometimes an idea can sound brilliant to its creator, while making absolutely no sense. I think this is one of those times.
I will be that guy.
Something extremely unlikely will happen..
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I have laid it out for some very high people in the league and none have said "no sense"
We all agree the players union would never go for it, but that it is an extremely logical way to go about the structure. It pays the true needle movers their real worth. Lebron should be making 150 mil a year in his prime. If also reduces the number of 15-20 mil players and even the 10 mil players that dont REALLY move the needle. Similar to movies. Tom Cruise and the 4th lead dont make close to the same money. Cruise max 10x what Ving Raymes does and he should. Lebron should make 10x what Talen Horton Tucker makes. Not 3x.
Seriously though, Griff has made calls. He cant get up for Smith. Maybe he can for Murray or Daniels or even Ivey. But not that top tier. Still think the order goes: Daniels, Mathurin, trade down, Dieng
If OKC jumps us for Sharpe, its Mathurin or Daniels. I still think its that simple, as I did weeks ago. One of those two guys- whichever one is left
Not sure if I asked this Mac, but if Daniels hits his ceiling did you have a NBA comparison? I know some folks don't like comparisons so no harm if you don't wanna name one.
Still wishing for a miracle for us to grab Sharpe.
My ceiling is gonna be weird, but I think his median is if Josh Hart and Joe Ingles had a baby and you got the best of both and his ceiling is Tony Parker with length and switchable, multi positional D
Defense this and defense that. Shooting is still king. Gas up the Celtics all you want... but for even us to make it out of the west. We either have to get better shooters or wait for father time to do it's thing.
Bucks were the best team this year. I wouldn’t overreact to a team that would be in tier 2 in most years winning the title. Props to the Warriors, banners fly forever, but I am not constructing my team with this Warriors team in mind at all
The warriors also play stellar defense
Yes and in some professions, you have a non-compete agreement, Can you imagine not being able to play in the NBA for a yr or 2 because of that? An athlete playing in a pro sports league is not nor ever be like any other profession. Only way a league prosperous is if teams have a somewhat equal chance at a championship. And parity is the best way. It's what makes the NFL king. If the NBA had a franchise tag and a hard cap you would see it flourish way more because if every team has close to an equal chance to win a ring more fans would be involved spending more $
This argument is often made but the pure data tells another story. The league has most interest and ratings when dynasties rule, not parity
NFL is king for many other reasons. The NBA switching champs every year wouldn’t flip that. But fans of small market teams want that to happen so they additionally want to believe this argument as well. But it is objectively untrue
Im in the minority but the idea of taking Sharpe is unsettling, I don't like the idea of taking someone who is years away because even if he does become a special talent, it probably wont be on his rookie contract.
How I feel about Dieng. But I think Sharpe atleast has a 20-25% chance of becoming an all-star caliber player, I think Dieng has less than 5%. So if Daniels and Mathurin are both gone at #8, and we can't trade down, then I'd much rather swing for Sharpe than Dieng.
Basically anyone but Dieng or Griffin.
Bucks where 5th 3p% and 8th in attempts.
And the Warriors where out of picture due to injuries.
You can only load up on defense so much. You have to be able to shoot AND defend.
So, you are saying that to be the best out of 30, you have to be good at both offense and defense??
Noted.
Well maybe we have enough shooting, I think our percentage and attempts both go up this year than last year and that’s for a few reasons.
1. Ingram shot 33% on 4 attempts a game but in his 2 previous years he was at 39 and 38 percent at 6 attempts It lowered from being the primary ball handler. Woth Zion coming back Ingrams 3pt numbers will go back up around 40% and his attempts will also rise.
2. Herb will improve as a shooter
3. With Zion back I expect Murphy, who was the best 3pt shooter out of any rookie, to get more minutes than Hayes.
4. Instead of closing lineups that have Hayes and Val, it will now be CJ, Herb, Ingram, Trey, Zion. That’s plenty of shooting
5. Also, with Zion back, he’s like a black hole, everything gravitates towards him, giving all our guys much more looks, and much more wide open looks.
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If you can reference one of the times you laid it out, I'd love to read it in full.
Bomani Jones had a good segment on his HBO show Game Theory, it was in reference to the NFL draft but it was solid. Not totally sold on the idea but I dont reject it how I used to
Welcome to be here
Most people don’t like new radical ideas because it is hard for them to understand all the other changes that end up going along with it that make it work.
But I always flip it, because that helps us with our bias against change. Ask: If for the last 80 years, all sports allowed guys to sign wherever coming out of school (and that was your norm) and someone came up and said “hey, this group of guys here…they won’t have a choice, they will be selected and forced to go to whichever team picks them” - the version of you in that universe would say it’s the worst idea ever.
How our human bias works
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I love the soccer analogy. For a while I have thought that the solution to the small market/NBA parity problem could be found in MLS. They have a salary cap (unlike PL) in order to control costs for the vast majority of players (i.e. non-needle movers). However, they have what is called "Designated-Player" slots that each team is allowed 2 of for veterans and 2 of for "young DPs" (never thought of applying that piece to NBA, but could work under you suggestion above). These players are the "needle movers" and can be paid whatever the teams' owners are willing to pay them and their salary cap charge only being a fixed amount, usually the "max" amount that a player could be paid under salary cap without being a DP. So in NBA, that would be about 25-30% of the cap.
NBA could obviously set the number of DP slots. My guess is they would do 1 Vet DP slot per team and 1-2 "Rookie Scale" DPs
This would compensate the needle movers appropriately, still keep the middle class relatively well paid, though likely a haircut like you mentioned.
But importantly, it would cause all needle movers, both Vet and Rookies to self selectively move/stay in small or big markets based purely on compensation.
Does KD leave OKC for GS if his options are:
1. 25 m per year with Warriors
2. 70 m per year with OKC?
And in this system, there is still a defacto "cap" on the DP slots, as yes LA/GS/NY could in theory pay more than OKC/NOLA for a DP slot, but if LA already has Lebron in that slot, GS has Curry, it does not matter that they could pay more since they have used their slot.
Yeah, it would work. I first proposed it like 8 years ago and made small tweaks as I talked to people in the league. But you have to have a hard cap and you have to have an unlimited slot. Do those two things and you aren’t seeing superstars stack on teams. And if two do, they have to fill out the roster with all minimums. And no, you won’t have 30 guys getting paid 100+ mil because 10-15 teams will be saving their max slot for a guy in the draft or a FA. You won’t just fill it for 5 years with Zach Lavine. And all order will return to the market because now prime Lebron and prime Lavine won’t make the same money. And they shouldn’t.
But if he union would never vote for it because it really benefits 15-20 guys and limits 200-300 that would get paid more in the current system. Would never happen but it is the answer for both parity and for fairness with regard to giving players the proper share of the income that they are responsible for bringing in
Devonte Graham does not like this new proposed CBA
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