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Thread: Pelicans underwhelmed by Lakers' initial offers for Anthony Davis

  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    It's irrelevant to the value of the asset.

    LaVar's comment about not wanting to be in New Orleans is only more damaging to the Lakers trade value if the Pelicans actually care. Same as AD's dad's comments about Boston. You assume Ainge doesn't care, and Dell/Loomis do.
    The value of an asset in the NBA is what a team is willing to pay for them, and I've explained the risk/reward evaluation of the two players twice in excruciating detail
    Basketball.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    I've said numerous times I rank them Celtics deal, Knicks deal, then Lakers deal... assuming (a huge risk) that the best possible offer is what's actually being offered. But I don't hate the Lakers deal, so I guess I'm in the minority here, nor am I convinced the other teams will ultimately offer what we hope they will, nor am I convinced the Pels will take the risk (lots of variables I've thrown out there- Zach Lowe echoed a couple on his podcast today - that could diminish their leverage if they wait) of holding out for Celtics or chance Knicks win lottery.

    You guys seem to have absurd levels of certainty around how things will play out and player evaluations. I'm not as certain on Ingram/Ball being a bum, or Brown/Tatum being future stars outside of Celtics system.

    I'm a pragmatic guy, which comes across as radical on this message board!
    no you're not lmao every statement you've made has been how we should take the laker deal no matter what while adding in but but but if this happens stop it dude....every one has told you ******** and you just keep coming back with the Lakers crap no matter what anyone tells you lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelicanidae View Post
    The value of an asset in the NBA is what a team is willing to pay for them, and I've explained the risk/reward evaluation of the two players twice in excruciating detail
    gotta just stop man bc people like his ************y ****** are just trolling now

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    highly unlikely that the suns are going to give up multiple premium assets(and their 2019 pick right now and ayton are both premium assets) for AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahmamamba View Post
    no you're not lmao every statement you've made has been how we should take the laker deal no matter what while adding in but but but if this happens stop it dude....every one has told you ******** and you just keep coming back with the Lakers crap no matter what anyone tells you lol

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    Ok. But I seriously question your ability to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahmamamba View Post
    no you're not lmao every statement you've made has been how we should take the laker deal no matter what while adding in but but but if this happens stop it dude....every one has told you ******** and you just keep coming back with the Lakers crap no matter what anyone tells you lol

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    As I said earlier- If my only choice is to grab hot garbage from a landfill NOW, or wait a few months & I may be able to go grocery shopping at the store, I'm kinda thinking I'll wait & go to the store. I can always go back to the landfill. Same ole crap is gonna be there.

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    It's irrelevant to the value of the asset.

    LaVar's comment about not wanting to be in New Orleans is only more damaging to the Lakers trade value if the Pelicans actually care. Same as AD's dad's comments about Boston. You assume Ainge doesn't care, and Dell/Loomis do.
    My dude. Ainge SAID publicly he doesn't care about the comments. Said he still wants AD. Said he is still going to go after AD. This all came out in the media.

    No. I'm not assuming one cares and the other doesn't. I'm talking about NEGOTIATIONS.

    In NEGOTIATIONS LaVar's comments are far more damaging to the team trying to do the buying because they are literally trying to convince us of Balls worth to get AD.

    This isn't rocket science dude.

    The Celtics STILL WANT AD. So AD's dad making comments don't matter as much. Lakers are trying to convince us to take Ball in a package for AD. His dad saying he doesn't want to be here hurts their trade package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    My dude. Ainge SAID publicly he doesn't care about the comments. Said he still wants AD. Said he is still going to go after AD. This all came out in the media.

    No. I'm not assuming one cares and the other doesn't. I'm talking about NEGOTIATIONS.

    In NEGOTIATIONS LaVar's comments are far more damaging to the team trying to do the buying because they are literally trying to convince us of Balls worth to get AD.

    This isn't rocket science dude.

    The Celtics STILL WANT AD. So AD's dad making comments don't matter as much. Lakers are trying to convince us to take Ball in a package for AD. His dad saying he doesn't want to be here hurts their trade package.
    Can’t read all this when it starts with something untrue. Find me where Ainge has said anything publicly about trading for AD and I’ll stop posting...

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinman View Post
    As I said earlier- If my only choice is to grab hot garbage from a landfill NOW, or wait a few months & I may be able to go grocery shopping at the store, I'm kinda thinking I'll wait & go to the store. I can always go back to the landfill. Same ole crap is gonna be there.
    I agree but apparently it doeant matter your boy is gonna talk that ish lol

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  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    Can’t read all this when it starts with something untrue. Find me where Ainge has said anything publicly about trading for AD and I’ll stop posting...
    lmfao really? bc he's said twice now so bye?

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  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    Ok. But I seriously question your ability to read.
    and I question your ability to comprehend ******** ppl say so it's all good I will tell you though I read that I'll go away if ainge has said anything publicly so I guess you should go away considering he's said something twice now cough cough

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  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    Can’t read all this when it starts with something untrue. Find me where Ainge has said anything publicly about trading for AD and I’ll stop posting...
    Don't be absurd, you know Ainge can't name AD specifically because he'd get fined for tampering.

    He's talking about the radio interview Ainge did a few days ago where he said that he would be willing to trade for a player with no guarantee that that player would resign as long as it was ''the right player''. Who else do you think he's talking about, Darren Collison?

    That, plus the MULTIPLE leaks that say Boston is willing to trade everyone but Tatum, and that Boston is telling New Orleans to be patient and wait because Ainge is willing to put everything on the line.

    Of course Ainge isn't going to come out and say ''We are willing to trade all of our assets for Anthony Davis, the forward from New Orleans'', because he'd had $100k stripped from him before he could press send tweet.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    Can’t read all this when it starts with something untrue. Find me where Ainge has said anything publicly about trading for AD and I’ll stop posting...

    https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/cel...davis-kg-trade

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    Can’t read all this when it starts with something untrue. Find me where Ainge has said anything publicly about trading for AD and I’ll stop posting...
    na na na naaaaaah hey hey good bye....or are you gonna lie and not go away scrub?

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    lmfao hell ignore it man don't even try

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    The counselor in me wants to stage an intervention.

    We need trust falls and stuff.

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    This convinced me y’all can’t read.

    Here is Ainge’s full quote:

    We initially had a trade together and KG said he wouldn’t come to Boston. He said no. So, we pulled the trade offer. Then we traded for Ray Allen and went back to Minnesota and they allowed us to speak to KG, and he said yes.

    He also said he would sign an extension and we did the trade. We had another opportunity -- I won’t name the player, but that player wouldn’t commit to re-signing, so we didn’t do the deal.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    This convinced me y’all can’t read.

    Here is Ainge’s full quote:
    With all due respect that is not the "full" quote. You left out this part:

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  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    This convinced me y’all can’t read.

    Here is Ainge’s full quote:
    lmao I like how you legit look at what you want to fit your ******** narrative; )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoochican View Post
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ID:	6390th all due respect that is not the "full" quote. You left out this part:
    ahhhh he was trying to keep that out lol

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    Lol. The highlighted part is not an Ainge quote, and clearly someone else’s interpretation who can’t read.

  22. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    This convinced me y’all can’t read.

    Here is Ainge’s full quote:
    That's not Ainge's ''full quote'' at all. It was a radio interview, of some length. Here's some more answers from that same interview:

    When asked if he would trade for a player with no assurance they would stay:

    “Yes. But it depends on the situation. It depends on the player, the circumstances and the package you have to trade for him. We’ve had a chance to do it and have done it, and we’ve had a chance to do it and have not done it.”''

    ''It’s not about selling the player. They want to be themselves and they want to win. It’s about creating an environment where they can reach their goals. That’s usually how you keep players.”

    What does that say to you? It tells you that yes, if it is a player he wants and he can make the deal, he is willing to trade for a player with no guarantee they will resign because he believes the Celtics can create ''an environment where they can reach their goals'' and ''thats usually how you keep players.''

    The idea that Ainge would refuse a trade without a promise of extension goes directly counter to what Ainge himself said. Come on man.

  23. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP View Post
    Can’t read all this when it starts with something untrue. Find me where Ainge has said anything publicly about trading for AD and I’ll stop posting...
    I literally said it came out through the media.

    "according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.**The Pelicans**won’t make a deal unless they receive “an overwhelming package for the franchise’s star,” according to Woj.
    The Los Angeles LeBrons … er Lakers … are expected to make an**“aggressive push” for Davis, and the unibrowed superstar would prefer to wear purple and gold in his future. He can opt out of his deal after next season, and there’s the chance that if anyone other than L.A. acquires Davis at the deadline or over the summer, they would be doing so on a rental basis. That could just be a power play by Davis and his agent, trying to force the Pelicans to make the deal they want now, rather than later.
    But if no deal happens before next Thursday, would Davis being a potential one-year rental scare away Danny Ainge? Not at all, according to Wojnarowski:

    GM Danny Ainge is undeterred on making a trade for Davis, even without an assurance that he would agree to an extension with the Celtics, league sources said. Boston has been calling New Orleans for the past year-plus on Davis, and has gathered multiple first-round picks and young players to include in a package for him. Davis has a strong relationship with Irving, and Boston knows that trading for Davis would assuredly perish any possibility of Irving changing his mind and leaving the Celtics in free agency this summer."

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston....akers-nba/amp/


  24. #324
    I dont think NMThreeMVP understands that GMs will almost never just explicitly come out and state that they're willing to trade their war chest for another player, especially such a high profile player. Tampering is not allowed, and Ainge is not an idiot. He will not come out and just say that he's gonna sell the farm for AD. That would violate league rules, AND throw his negotiating position under the bus. That's not going to happen. If that's what you're waiting for, wait forever cause it won't happen.

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    I don’t know how anyone can listen to that interview (I did) and come away convinced Ainge is willing to give up premium assets if AD isn’t willing to commit to resigning. Hell, he explicitly says he wasn’t even willing to do it for KG. And didn’t do it for another player.

    I think he’d trade something for a rental. But as he says, it depends on the package, ie not everything he would if he had a commitment.

    Yet somehow this gets conveyed through as he’s all in and doesn’t care.

    Celtics have the better assets, as I’ve said and some people can’t read, so if Ainge was all in, why negotiate with the Lakers at all this week? It’s very obvious and clear to all of you that 1. Ainge will offer everythjng 2. Celtics offer is vastly superior ...

    So seriously, why are Pels ... who could be focused on Niko/Julius trade or NFL draft ...negotiating with Lakers who have “trash” assets? Is Ainge or anyone else going to increase offers they can’t make until June anyway just because the Lakers throw in more trash assets? Yet...clearly Pels and Lakers are talking.

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