Pelicans underwhelmed by Lakers' initial offers for Anthony Davis

[Mythrol]

Ingram is probably their top asset.

This is literally the same leverage Ainge has over the Pelicans. He can say to Dell "We're not sure AD will resign, therefor we can't give you EVERYTHING"

There has to be a difference between AD's value if he said he would resign in BOS versus AD's value with his camp saying he won't. At the very least, Ainge would attempt to hold back some assets. Hell, the Celtics, Kyrie, and AD's camp could be colluding to push the narrative that AD might not sign specifically to lower the value -- even if it's just allowing them to hold onto Jaylen, the Memphis pick, or Clippers pick!

The Celtics really want AD and have already said they don't care about the reports. The Lakers are trying to get AD. This hurts their trade value they are trying to leverage. AD's dad saying stuff would hurt us if AD could walk this summer. We have 18 months of him still on a deal.

Come on dude, you're smart enough to see the difference.

[Pelicanidae]

Don't want Rondo or Stephenson in any LA trade, and we'd better be getting the Suns pick in that.

[pelicanchamp]

LAKERS GET: AD, Hill

PELS GET: Kuzma, Rondo, Stephenson, Hart, LAKERS 2019 1st, Ayton, TJ Warren.

SUNS GET: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, Zubac and the LAKERS 2021 1st


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[Mythrol]

LAKERS GET: AD, Hill

PELS GET: Kuzma, Rondo, Stephenson, Hart, LAKERS 2019 1st, Ayton, TJ Warren.

SUNS GET: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, Zubac and the LAKERS 2021 1st


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Pass.

[NMThreeMVP]

The Celtics really want AD and have already said they don't care about the reports. The Lakers are trying to get AD. This hurts their trade value they are trying to leverage. AD's dad saying stuff would hurt us if AD could walk this summer. We have 18 months of him still on a deal.

Come on dude, you're smart enough to see the difference.

I think you only see it that way because you have a bias towards seeing this favorably for the Pels.

Ball has 3 years left, and then he'd be a RFA. By your own logic of us having 18 months of AD still on a deal being to our advantage, it means it doesn't matter at all what LaVar wants because we'd have Ball's rights for twice as long plus his restricted rights.

I just want yall to be consistent in your logic.

[tacosman]

there is no way in hell the suns do that

[bahmamamba]

LAKERS GET: AD, Hill

PELS GET: Kuzma, Rondo, Stephenson, Hart, LAKERS 2019 1st, Ayton, TJ Warren.

SUNS GET: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, Zubac and the LAKERS 2021 1st


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so we get 4 fringe players? huh? l9l okay man you can't be gm

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[pelicanchamp]

Pass.

Seriously?

Starting 5

Rondo, Jrue, Warren, Kuzma, Ayton

Depth: Hart, Niko, Elfrid, Okafor, Jackson etc

We’d get starting SF Warren, Starting big man young talent Ayton, Kuzma and Hart all for long term. All good contracts. PLUS we’d get a leader in Rondo. Re-sign Niko and Rondo and we’d be doing ok I think.


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[Pelicanidae]

I think you only see it that way because you have a bias towards seeing this favorably for the Pels.

Ball has 3 years left, and then he'd be a RFA. By your own logic of us having 18 months of AD still on a deal being to our advantage, it means it doesn't matter at all what LaVar wants because we'd have Ball's rights for twice as long plus his restricted rights.

I just want yall to be consistent in your logic.

Yes, but we are selling. We are the ones with the asset. The team which is giving up the best part of the deal isn't the team that should be forced to compromise by taking big risks on players. It's basic risk versus reward.

If, say, Boston takes AD, there's a high risk there (that he doesn't resign) but the reward if it pays off is much greater (25 year old perennial MVP candidate and DPOY caliber player).

If we take Ball, there's a high risk there (that he also leaves, or perhaps causes Eric Gordon-like problems while he's here), and the potential reward if he plays along isnt that high (broken shooter with no offensive game, solid roleplay ceiling unless he radically refits his offense).

So for Boston there's an inclination to do the trade because the potential upside of the deal is literally championships. For us, why would we take on that risk when the reward isn't anything special?

[pelicanchamp]

Pass.

Getting all of that plus a lakers 2019 1st and Rondo with a HUGE chip on his shoulder would be very interesting.


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[Mythrol]

I think you only see it that way because you have a bias towards seeing this favorably for the Pels.

Ball has 3 years left, and then he'd be a RFA. By your own logic of us having 18 months of AD still on a deal being to our advantage, it means it doesn't matter at all what LaVar wants because we'd have Ball's rights for twice as long plus his restricted rights.

I just want yall to be consistent in your logic.

I feel like you don't understand the difference between being a buyer and being a seller.

[Mythrol]

Getting all of that plus a lakers 2019 1st and Rondo with a HUGE chip on his shoulder would be very interesting.


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Rondo is in an expiring. We'd buy him out because we want to be bad. Lakers 2019 1st with them with AD and LBJ is useless.

[bahmamamba]

I think you only see it that way because you have a bias towards seeing this favorably for the Pels.

Ball has 3 years left, and then he'd be a RFA. By your own logic of us having 18 months of AD still on a deal being to our advantage, it means it doesn't matter at all what LaVar wants because we'd have Ball's rights for twice as long plus his restricted rights.

I just want yall to be consistent in your logic.

and by literally every thing you post you think we should take the Lakers deal why? sorry you nor anyone else should be cool with another aminu Gordon and kamen picture where non of them wanted to be here especially Gordon but hey we should take what we can get since you're a scared fan and don't think we can get what we should lol you're living in the old laker days where they actually had assets not the now where they don't

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[Tinman]

Seriously?

Starting 5

Rondo, Jrue, Warren, Kuzma, Ayton

Depth: Hart, Niko, Elfrid, Okafor, Jackson etc

We’d get starting SF Warren, Starting big man young talent Ayton, Kuzma and Hart all for long term. All good contracts. PLUS we’d get a leader in Rondo. Re-sign Niko and Rondo and we’d be doing ok I think.


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That is mind numbingly nauseating!

[Pelicanidae]

Rondo is in an expiring. We'd buy him out because we want to be bad. Lakers 2019 1st with them with AD and LBJ is useless.

Any trade involving Phoenix, I want their first because it's the best asset either LA or Phoenix have. If, for some reason, Phoenix was willing to give it up, why would we deal with LA at all when we could just get Phoenix's first, Ayton, Warren, etc, which are better assets than anything LA can give? Why would Phoenix give up assets to facilitate LA getting better when they could just try and pair AD with Booker and fast-forward their rebuild? There is literally no good reason for Phoenix to help LA here.

[pelicanchamp]

Ayton, Warren PHX 2019 1st for AD


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[NMThreeMVP]

I feel like you don't understand the difference between being a buyer and being a seller.

that's funny. being buyer vs being seller is irrelevant to how you value the asset. In either case, you have to agree on the value of all the assets. If AD not wanting to be somewhere isn't reason to devalue him as an asset, then Ball not wanting to be somewhere isn't a reason to devalue him as an asset. You have to apply the same logic to evaluating the asset. Whether you're buying or selling has nothing to with the logic around your evaluation of the player. If AD's wishes should be disregarded because he's under contract for another year, then Ball's wishes should be disregarded because his control over where he wants to be is even more restricted.

Buyer vs Seller is irrelevant. But, hey it sounds nice.

[pelicanchamp]

I’m gonna barf lmao. Nothing sticks. Let’s just hope we hold tight and tank and get the best offer we can in summer. We shouldn’t make a move but if we do I want young star level players and picks.


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[Pelicanidae]

that's funny. being buyer vs being seller is irrelevant to how you value the asset. In either case, you have to agree on the value of all the assets. If AD not wanting to be somewhere isn't reason to devalue him as an asset, then Ball not wanting to be somewhere isn't a reason to devalue him as an asset. You have to apply the same logic to evaluating the asset. Whether you're buying or selling has nothing to with the logic around your evaluation of the player. If AD's wishes should be disregarded because he's under contract for another year, then Ball's wishes should be disregarded because his control over where he wants to be is even more restricted.

Buyer vs Seller is irrelevant. But, hey it sounds nice.

I explained the risk vs reward aspect to you twice. Come on.

[bahmamamba]

that's funny. being buyer vs being seller is irrelevant to how you value the asset. In either case, you have to agree on the value of all the assets. If AD not wanting to be somewhere isn't reason to devalue him as an asset, then Ball not wanting to be somewhere isn't a reason to devalue him as an asset. You have to apply the same logic to evaluating the asset. Whether you're buying or selling has nothing to with the logic around your evaluation of the player. If AD's wishes should be disregarded because he's under contract for another year, then Ball's wishes should be disregarded because his control over where he wants to be is even more restricted.

Buyer vs Seller is irrelevant. But, hey it sounds nice.

Oh please guy who literally knows nothing tell all of us who knw more then you how everything works lol please I beg you

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[Mythrol]

that's funny. being buyer vs being seller is irrelevant to how you value the asset. In either case, you have to agree on the value of all the assets. If AD not wanting to be somewhere isn't reason to devalue him as an asset, then Ball not wanting to be somewhere isn't a reason to devalue him as an asset. You have to apply the same logic to evaluating the asset. Whether you're buying or selling has nothing to with the logic around your evaluation of the player. If AD's wishes should be disregarded because he's under contract for another year, then Ball's wishes should be disregarded because his control over where he wants to be is even more restricted.

Buyer vs Seller is irrelevant. But, hey it sounds nice.

Um...

I don't even know how to respond to this. You are literally saying being a buyer or seller is irrelevant. That's a huge difference!

We have something other teams want.

Other teams are trying to convince us to take their stuff to get what they want.

How is this not clear that LaVar is far more damaging to the Lakers trade value than AD's dad to his?

[NMThreeMVP]

and by literally every thing you post you think we should take the Lakers deal why? sorry you nor anyone else should be cool with another aminu Gordon and kamen picture where non of them wanted to be here especially Gordon but hey we should take what we can get since you're a scared fan and don't think we can get what we should lol you're living in the old laker days where they actually had assets not the now where they don't

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I've said numerous times I rank them Celtics deal, Knicks deal, then Lakers deal... assuming (a huge risk) that the best possible offer is what's actually being offered. But I don't hate the Lakers deal, so I guess I'm in the minority here, nor am I convinced the other teams will ultimately offer what we hope they will, nor am I convinced the Pels will take the risk (lots of variables I've thrown out there- Zach Lowe echoed a couple on his podcast today - that could diminish their leverage if they wait) of holding out for Celtics or chance Knicks win lottery.

You guys seem to have absurd levels of certainty around how things will play out and player evaluations. I'm not as certain on Ingram/Ball being a bum, or Brown/Tatum being future stars outside of Celtics system.

I'm a pragmatic guy, which comes across as radical on this message board!

[Hoochican]

and by literally every thing you post you think we should take the Lakers deal why? sorry you nor anyone else should be cool with another aminu Gordon and kamen picture where non of them wanted to be here especially Gordon but hey we should take what we can get since you're a scared fan and don't think we can get what we should lol you're living in the old laker days where they actually had assets not the now where they don't

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I do not want this again!

[Pelicanidae]

You guys seem to have absurd levels of certainty around how things will play out and player evaluations. I'm not as certain on Ingram/Ball being a bum, or Brown/Tatum being future stars outside of Celtics system.

I'm a pragmatic guy, which comes across as radical on this message board!

Nobody has levels of certainty about anything. Everyone has admitted that there's details we can't know yet, if at all, and that things are far from certain. The only person with any certainty right now seems to be you, certain that you're more level headed and sensible than everyone else.

You're not pragmatic, you're being obstinate to the point of ridiculousness.

[NMThreeMVP]

Um...

I don't even know how to respond to this. You are literally saying being a buyer or seller is irrelevant. That's a huge difference!

We have something other teams want.

Other teams are trying to convince us to take their stuff to get what they want.

How is this not clear that LaVar is far more damaging to the Lakers trade value than AD's dad to his?

It's irrelevant to the value of the asset.

LaVar's comment about not wanting to be in New Orleans is only more damaging to the Lakers trade value if the Pelicans actually care. Same as AD's dad's comments about Boston. You assume Ainge doesn't care, and Dell/Loomis do.