Pelicans underwhelmed by Lakers' initial offers for Anthony Davis

[tacosman]

If NYK gets the #1 pick, they are going to take Zion. The team control at a reasonable salary for multiple years is just too huge.....their entire mindset at that point would be - keep Zion at his low number, use him and and huge cap space to attract 1 and maybe 2 elite max FAs *with* zion......

these fantasies about zion being traded are just that.....and boston and the lakers would both know that they arent going to pass on Zion

boston's package, assuming it has tatum and one of the good picks is going to be the best imo. But this idea that we are going to get Tatum + Brown + *multiple* good picks...I don't see that. Be nice if it were true, but I just dont see it. Would much much rather have that then this lakers garbage though

[Mythrol]

Have you ever seen the NBA veto one of those type trades (where they are broken into 2 trades because of aggregation rules)?

I'm not sure any team has ever attempted to do something like this before. Or at the least I don't know if we would have heard about it. This is a bit of a unique situation because really DSJ is being traded for AD but we are attempting to skirt around the rule that says he cannot be combined with any other salary for a trade atm. Seems like something Silver would see through pretty clearly.

I'm not saying it won't happen or that it isn't possible. However my gut tells me if we were going to do a trade with New York before the deadline and DSJ was going to be included we'd have done a 3 team trade when they were making these moves to begin with. It would have greatly simplified things.

[bahmamamba]

If NYK gets the #1 pick, they are going to take Zion. The team control at a reasonable salary for multiple years is just too huge.....their entire mindset at that point would be - keep Zion at his low number, use him and and huge cap space to attract 1 and maybe 2 elite max FAs *with* zion......

these fantasies about zion being traded are just that.....and boston and the lakers would both know that they arent going to pass on Zion

boston's package, assuming it has tatum and one of the good picks is going to be the best imo. But this idea that we are going to get Tatum + Brown + *multiple* good picks...I don't see that. Be nice if it were true, but I just dont see it. Would much much rather have that then this lakers garbage though

pfft let's see kd and zion or kd and ad or kyrie and zion or kyrie and ad? yeeeeeah the knicks will trade zion for a possible ad and kyrie/kd line up

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[Gant-]

pfft let's see kd and zion or kd and ad or kyrie and zion or kyrie and ad? yeeeeeah the knicks will trade zion for a possible ad and kyrie/kd line up

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That's probably true. I just read this today, in which KD is reported as being interested in Boston via a Chris Paul type deal. Farfetched as it is, if that ever did happen, Boston could theoretically end up with KD, AD, and Kyrie:

Thoughts of NBA Super Teams have dominated Super Bowl week. Now this:

League sources have told me that KD has expressed interest in joining the Celtics this summer.

On Kyrie, KD, and AD. The Celtics, Lakers, and Knicks. Danny Ainge and aspirations.https://t.co/DXMGaNg4DN

— Ryan Bernardoni F.C. �� (@dangercart) February 3, 2019

https://www.dangerc.art/blog/super-t...d-kd-in-boston

[Pelicanidae]

If NYK gets the #1 pick, they are going to take Zion. The team control at a reasonable salary for multiple years is just too huge.....their entire mindset at that point would be - keep Zion at his low number, use him and and huge cap space to attract 1 and maybe 2 elite max FAs *with* zion......

these fantasies about zion being traded are just that.....and boston and the lakers would both know that they arent going to pass on Zion

boston's package, assuming it has tatum and one of the good picks is going to be the best imo. But this idea that we are going to get Tatum + Brown + *multiple* good picks...I don't see that. Be nice if it were true, but I just dont see it. Would much much rather have that then this lakers garbage though

Totally disagree.

If NY gets the first overall pick, it has two real choices. Either it can keep the pick, and try and sell a 27 year old Kyrie Irving on the championship potential of himself with an 18 year old rookie Zion, or it can trade the pick to us, and sell Kyrie on the much more real championship potential of himself with a 25 year old proven superstar AD. Similarly, they want to attract KD with their second open max contract slot: you think 30 year old KD is more likely to go to NY if there's Kyrie + AD waiting for him, who are already a finals prospect in the East already, or Kyrie + 18 year old rookie Zion?

Zion is good, and I fully believe he is going to be a franchise player for some team someday (hopefully us). But don't get it twisted, AD is better right now, and he fits the timeline for KD and Kyrie better to actually win a championship. If New York is interested in Kyrie or KD, they're interested in AD over Zion.

[Pelicanidae]

That's probably true. I just read this today, in which KD is reported as being interested in Boston via a Chris Paul type deal. Farfetched as it is, if that ever did happen, Boston could theoretically end up with KD, AD, and Kyrie:

Thoughts of NBA Super Teams have dominated Super Bowl week. Now this:

League sources have told me that KD has expressed interest in joining the Celtics this summer.

On Kyrie, KD, and AD. The Celtics, Lakers, and Knicks. Danny Ainge and aspirations.https://t.co/DXMGaNg4DN

— Ryan Bernardoni F.C. �� (@dangercart) February 3, 2019

https://www.dangerc.art/blog/super-t...d-kd-in-boston

If that's true (and I have no idea how likely it is to be true or how legitimate the source is, but just assuming it's true), then that tells us what Ainge will be willing to give up.

If he thinks legitimately trading for AD guarantees him Kyrie + KD, then he's willing to sell everything. Tatum, Brown, all the picks, everything. He's essentially trading those assets for like, 3 rings.

[SmontySwilliams]

Can coaches be traded? I'd trade ad+gentry for stevens+tatum+their 1st

[pelicanchamp]

I agree. Tatum is superior. But it’s not by nearly as much as y’all are making it out to be.

I disagree. He’s qualitatively different. It’s apples to oranges. Tatum is going to be a top 25 player. He’ll be better than Jrue.


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[MistaWhoDat]

If NYK gets the #1 pick, they are going to take Zion. The team control at a reasonable salary for multiple years is just too huge.....their entire mindset at that point would be - keep Zion at his low number, use him and and huge cap space to attract 1 and maybe 2 elite max FAs *with* zion......

these fantasies about zion being traded are just that.....and boston and the lakers would both know that they arent going to pass on Zion

boston's package, assuming it has tatum and one of the good picks is going to be the best imo. But this idea that we are going to get Tatum + Brown + *multiple* good picks...I don't see that. Be nice if it were true, but I just dont see it. Would much much rather have that then this lakers garbage though

I agree everybody thinking we’re going to get this enormous haul I just don’t see we may end up getting a lot less than what people think were going to get especially if ADs agent starts telling people under no circumstances will we resign with you . ADs dad has already said he doesn’t want his son playing for Boston that carries some weight like it or not and teams know that we HAVE to trade him this off season or we get nothing .


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[superstar7th]

Laker fans really trying to force this huh. now they trying to say they got phx on board and the pels get:
Kyle Kuzma
Josh Jackson
TJ Warren
Ivica Zubac
2019 lakers 1st

[6warddude]

can anybody in the know tell me is this true....la times reporter who have been involved with sources are saying that we are preparing a counter AD trade with the lakers that send a pelican player to them...im guessing hill...with some 1st....

if true,,why are we making counter deals?....hold on til the summer...

[P_B_&_G]

I agree everybody thinking we’re going to get this enormous haul I just don’t see we may end up getting a lot less than what people think were going to get especially if ADs agent starts telling people under no circumstances will we resign with you . ADs dad has already said he doesn’t want his son playing for Boston that carries some weight like it or not and teams know that we HAVE to trade him this off season or we get nothing .


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We could probably wait an entire year until the next deadline to move him but the potential offers will be best this summer. Plus it would get really awkward making him sit for a year. It would be better for everyone to just move on but best for the Pels to wait until summer unless something crazy happens.

[Mythrol]

can anybody in the know tell me is this true....la times reporter who have been involved with sources are saying that we are preparing a counter AD trade with the lakers that send a pelican player to them...im guessing hill...with some 1st....

if true,,why are we making counter deals?....hold on til the summer...

From what I remember it was basically we talked to them Tuesday or some and then said we'd talk again before deadline. The Lakers writers are assuming that means we are counter offering. My assumption is that we are going to talk to them to see if they made any progress on getting players we actually want.

[6warddude]

From what I remember it was basically we talked to them Tuesday or some and then said we'd talk again before deadline. The Lakers writers are assuming that means we are counter offering. My assumption is that we are going to talk to them to see if they made any progress on getting players we actually want.

oh ok....but if true we are giving them a counter offer of a player and two 1st then its got to be for hill or moore......if its hill then thats a good thing in terms of stopping the lakers from getting a 3rd superstar i think.......i just dont want to trade AD right now and wait til summer...

[Mythrol]

oh ok....but if true we are giving them a counter offer of a player and two 1st then its got to be for hill or moore......if its hill then thats a good thing in terms of stopping the lakers from getting a 3rd superstar i think.......i just dont want to trade AD right now and wait til summer...

It wouldn't stop them. If a superstar wanted to join they'd give up the assets to make enough space.

I don't think we are counter offering them something serious as much as we are keeping them around as the side chick just to keep NY and Boston honest with their offers. Instead of just saying "F Off" we engage them enough to keep them around.

The whole counter offer thing is just LAL beat writer propaganda. That makes it sound like we are in negotiations. We aren't.

[AusPel]

Totally disagree.

If NY gets the first overall pick, it has two real choices. Either it can keep the pick, and try and sell a 27 year old Kyrie Irving on the championship potential of himself with an 18 year old rookie Zion, or it can trade the pick to us, and sell Kyrie on the much more real championship potential of himself with a 25 year old proven superstar AD. Similarly, they want to attract KD with their second open max contract slot: you think 30 year old KD is more likely to go to NY if there's Kyrie + AD waiting for him, who are already a finals prospect in the East already, or Kyrie + 18 year old rookie Zion?

Zion is good, and I fully believe he is going to be a franchise player for some team someday (hopefully us). But don't get it twisted, AD is better right now, and he fits the timeline for KD and Kyrie better to actually win a championship. If New York is interested in Kyrie or KD, they're interested in AD over Zion.

There seems to be a prevailing thought amongst the Pels circles that if NY get the 1st pick they'll immediately flip it for Davis. I'm not so sure

It's still our best case scenario tho

[wnelson]

Best case is Tatum,brown and smart and a pick.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Best case is Tatum,brown and smart and a pick.

No, best case is Zion, Knox, DSJ and future picks

If you think Aminu, Kaman and Gordon looked miserable when they were traded to New Orleans, just wait until you see Brown, Tatum, and company.

[NMThreeMVP]

No, best case is Zion, Knox, DSJ and future picks

If you think Aminu, Kaman and Gordon looked miserable when they were traded to New Orleans, just wait until you see Brown, Tatum, and company.

I actually think Brown would love being in New Orleans. He's a New Orleans kind of dude. Gordon was always a square. And Kaman was a ... well... you know...

[UNO Gracias]

No, best case is Zion, Knox, DSJ and future picks

If you think Aminu, Kaman and Gordon looked miserable when they were traded to New Orleans, just wait until you see Brown, Tatum, and company.

[UptownFuz504]

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/n...r1we8c9u97bgqn

[UptownFuz504]

https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-pelic...172013309.html

[Mythrol]

https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-pelic...172013309.html

"I know Ganguli and Turner, both are well-connected pros, but here’s my concern: When two reporters based in Los Angeles who cover the Lakers come out with a report about what New Orleans is going to do, I’m skeptical."

[tacosman]

No, best case is Zion, Knox, DSJ and future picks

nah...best case is probably zion, giannis(add bucks as a third team), doncic(add mavs as a fourth team into trade mix) and knox and future picks.

[tacosman]

we are speculating about some grand haul for AD and according to some reports *right now* Demps and Magic are having real discussions about the lakers garbage now tha they have 'improved' it.....

if the haul were potentially tatum/smart/brown + two good first round picks then Demps wouldnt even be talking to magic......he would laugh in his face no matter how many Kyle Kuzmas he threw into the freaking trade....