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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy View Post
    I will copy and paste my post about acquiring John wall: Go ahead and you tell me how this isn't a possibility ASSUMING Boogie re-signs if we make the play-offs(I think is our difference. I believe he will re-sign, you don't).


    1. I said: All we NEED to do this off-season is trade for Bledsoe.

    2. Once that happens, then all we need to do is next is to make the play-offs. After making the play-offs, then that will 100% ensure that Boogie will sign an extension with us next summer. Why? Not only are we showing him that we are trying to win, but since he's also loyal, and the Kentucky blood/family/brotherhood runs stronger than one would think, then he will want to stay here and play with AD and Bledsoe (college teammate and best friend...The groomsmen at Bledsoe's wedding along with Wall).

    3. Now, it wasn't a coincidence that John Wall didn't sign his extension when the Wizards had offered him a new contract earlier this summer...It wasn't a coincidence that Wall said, "I want to wait and see" around the SAME TIME that it was reported that Boogie is recruiting free agents to come play for the Pelicans.

    4A. Wall has two years left on his contract. If he doesn't sign his extension, then he becomes a CP3/Paul George next summer with one year left on his contract. THIS will be the time to trade Jrue and assets for John Wall. Less teams will want to trade for Wall just because they'll be trading for an one-year rental. We will also be trading for an one-year rental in Wall. However, there's no way Pelicans wouldn't pull the trigger on Wall even for an one-year rental because WE KNOW with confidence that we will have the highest chance to sign him to an extension when his contract expires and becomes an UFA. Because guess what? He's not going to leave us with AD/Boogie/Bledsoe on the team. Remember that Kentucky blood and best friends and old college teammates thing I was talking about earlier? Plus, knowing that Boogie, AD, and Bledsoe is playing for NOLA should deter even more teams from trading for Wall knowing that he'll just sign with Pelicans after that 1 year with the team who traded for him. Basically, we won't have too much competition in the John Wall sweepstakes.

    4B. Now, if ANOTHER team beat us to the punch and trade for Wall as an one-year rental, then what do we do? Good. You go after Coach Cal that off-season. So, now you got Coach Cal, Boogie, Bledsoe, and AD? Two of Wall's old college teammates and his old college coach? Wall will definitely leave the team that traded for him and come play for the Pelicans. This might even be better because now you can trade Jrue for an allstar/superstar SF because of knowing that Wall is coming here.

    5. After that, you go after veterans who are chasing championships and will play for the minimum.
    We will then have a roster of: Wall, Bledsoe, AD, Boogie, superstar/all-star SF and maybe Coach Cal (If another team traded for Wall as an one-year rental), and veterans.

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    1) Wishful thinking at best. More a pipe dream.

    2) Is based on the prior pipe dream.

    3/4) Is based off the wild assumption Wash would trade Wall, then trade him here over all other teams and that Boogie would still be here when he might be gone.

    5) So basically baseless hope off a chain of reactions extremely unlikely to happen.

    I'll go with the numbers and the reality of our situation instead thank you very much.

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    Slim I will add this to the discussion
    What assurance we have Cousins stays in New Orleans?
    NONE. He is all about Cousins just like Nick Saban said he wasn't going to Miami.
    The Pelicans need to unload Cousins now his ceiling is the highest Now.
    If we wait till February 2018 we could be screwed for many reasons
    Cousins could get injured? He might be playing like crap? His on the court Toxic image could be at a all time high.
    With all that being said he could walk out the front door and we lost It all.
    It seems that would be a sharp move for the future
    Remember we were sold on this Davis Cousins combo that all the Elite FA would be giving up anything to play with these guys. We seen it did NOTHING
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    Quote Originally Posted by RUFshreve View Post
    You know who he is, Champ. Stop asking pointless questions.
    I am not Champ.
    I am only asking because I want to know who thsi MM Guy is. I see his name mentioned often as the all in the know Pelicans Guru.
    Last edited by Buckwheat; 07-07-2017 at 06:53 PM.

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    Feels like GSW have infinite money like a baseball team. I actually kind of feel disgusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanetrain93 View Post
    Feels like GSW have infinite money like a baseball team. I actually kind of feel disgusted.


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    Last edited by jprdbulldog20; 07-07-2017 at 06:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkySlim View Post
    1) Wishful thinking at best. More a pipe dream.

    2) Is based on the prior pipe dream.

    3/4) Is based off the wild assumption Wash would trade Wall, then trade him here over all other teams and that Boogie would still be here when he might be gone.

    5) So basically baseless hope off a chain of reactions extremely unlikely to happen.

    I'll go with the numbers and the reality of our situation instead thank you very much.
    Haha, so let me get this straight. You asked me how I can show you to make this team better.

    You're entitled to say its a pipe dream. But, what I said can still happen and is very realistic.

    Basically, what you're telling us:

    Trading for Bledsoe is a pipe dream.
    Having AD and Bledsoe on the team WON'T interest Boogie to re-sign with us KNOWING Wall will only have one more year left on his contract (I believe with Boogie knowing that Wall only has one more year left, DC will want to stay put and make the most money. He knows that a line-up with him, wall, and AD is dangerous).
    Having Bledsoe, Boogie, and AD on the SAME team WILL NOT interest Wall to come here and play with the Pelicans when his contract is up...it is a pipe dream.
    If Wall doesn't sign his extension with Washington, then Washington won't be looking to trade him and just let Wall walk? Wrong. They will look to trade him. I can guarantee you Pelicans would be on the phone.

    Bottom line is this. I respect you as a poster, but do not say what I posted is unrealistic because it is just as unrealistic that the Pelicans will trade Boogie before the season starts and after hiring Finch AND without even an offseason together.

    If the pelican trade boogie, then I'll admit you are right. If the pelicans trade for Bledosoe OR boogie re-signs, then you have to admit that I am right.
    Last edited by WhyHornetsWhy; 07-07-2017 at 07:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanetrain93 View Post
    Feels like GSW have infinite money like a baseball team. I actually kind of feel disgusted.
    Pretty much.

    Really makes me want a much harder cap.

    In actual execution, we pretty much have the same problem the NBA had when they went down this road that got us here with the same problem of extreme talent concentration and large organizational inequality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsutigers33 View Post
    if it puts other teams in bad cap positions long term, let them keep doing it.
    They need to throw a max at Nerlens before pursuing KCP to help us out. Help screw the mavs cap....

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco View Post
    Pretty much.

    Really makes me want a much harder cap.

    In actual execution, we pretty much have the same problem the NBA had when they went down this road that got us here with the same problem of extreme talent concentration and large organizational inequality.

    lol come on yall..if we were GS,,no one in new Orleans would be talking about a harder cap lol,,we would be enjoying the fruits of our labor......

    Our organization has to make wise decisions and develop players to give us a winning culture.....the 76ers was a big joke for awhile and now look like they may be a playoff team if they stay healthy...we got to trust our process lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6warddude View Post
    lol come on yall..if we were GS,,no one in new Orleans would be talking about a harder cap lol,,we would be enjoying the fruits of our labor......

    Our organization has to make wise decisions and develop players to give us a winning culture.....the 76ers was a big joke for awhile and now look like they may be a playoff team if they stay healthy...we got to trust our process lol...

    Of course people would be more willing to look the other way, doesn't mean the problem isn't an actual real problem.

    I think you should separate people saying something needs some fixing from thinking they are also saying things are completely broken.

    You can make it work in this world....Though ironically the one big thing Silver is talking about is trying to make it harder for teams to tank and build like the Spurs, the 76ers, and the Wolves did. Which I think is a mistake if you don't impose other changes alongside it.

    But the issue is you have to look at the purpose of the structure in place, its entire design(Luxury taxes, supermaxs, etc.) is to prevent exactly what is happening in GS, protect the smaller markets, and increase parity. Instead the system is just making it even harder for the teams without those deep pockets to keep up once a team with deep pockets gets out ahead. Even if the Pels did all the right things, absolutely perfect, there is no situation where Benson is going to spend 200 million plus in salary plus taxes on a smaller market team like the Pelicans. So what are your rules ACTUALLY achieving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwheat View Post
    I am not Champ.
    I am only asking because I want to know who thsi MM Guy is. I see his name mentioned often as the all in the know Pelicans Guru.
    You definitely are Champ, everyone knows that. You're a troll and everyone knows that. And you know who MM is and we both know that. Take a look at yourself and just STOP.

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    We aren't trading Boogie. That is ridiculous and moronic. Y'all can be emo trolls if you want, but don't pretend like the rest of us should take you seriously. Boogie isn't Kevin Durant or Gordon Hayward. He was as loyal as can be, in Sacramento of all places. The Kings have been more dysfunctional than the Pelicans have, in my opinion. So now, he's been traded to New Orleans, the franchise closest to his hometown Mobile. He is playing next to one of his best friends in AD. The FO has gone above and beyond to please Boogie in every way since his arrival. So, considering all this, I think the chances that Boogie leaves next off-season are slim to none. Things would have to fall apart in a truly catastrophic fashion for him to walk.

    With the roster we have today, I think we still make the playoffs as the 7th or 8th seed. Obviously I don't expect us to go into the season with the roster as it is today. Dell and Gentry know that both of their jobs are on the line this season. It's truly playoffs or bust. So, I seriously doubt that Dell goes into the season with our roster as is. I fully expect him to trade for a starting caliber guard, hopefully sooner rather than later. Regardless of when it happens, I know something is gonna happen. Dell has to make a move. That move will increase our chances to make the playoffs, whether we bring in Bledsoe, Lin, Fournier or someone else that none of us have discussed or even considered. If we make the playoffs, then Boogie is not leaving. Maybe other people won't be blunt or bold enough to make that statement, but I will. If he leaves, I'll be shocked. So stop with exaggerated pessimism. Please. Talk to some Kings fans, get their perspective on Boogie. Ask them if they think he's "all about Boogie" like Champ likes to say or if they would consider him possibly the most loyal superstar in the league today.

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    You know... it really wouldn't kill Demps to leak a little information to the news.. doesn't he know this is killing us.. I sometimes wish we were like the Lakers where every thought is leaked to the news

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUFshreve View Post
    You definitely are Champ, everyone knows that. You're a troll and everyone knows that. And you know who MM is and we both know that. Take a look at yourself and just STOP.
    Dude really must live a miserable life to constantly do what he does bro
    I'm a grinder

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    Actually, my money is on Buckwheat actually being MM.....or a disgruntled Kings fan. Look at the start date. Right around the last time MM went all borderline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msusousaphone View Post
    Actually, my money is on Buckwheat actually being MM.....or a disgruntled Kings fan. Look at the start date. Right around the last time MM went all borderline.
    He is definitely not MM. even he is not this negative and saying the same thing repetitively

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    Quote Originally Posted by msusousaphone View Post
    Actually, my money is on Buckwheat actually being MM.....or a disgruntled Kings fan. Look at the start date. Right around the last time MM went all borderline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwheat View Post
    Slim I will add this to the discussion
    What assurance we have Cousins stays in New Orleans?
    NONE. He is all about Cousins just like Nick Saban said he wasn't going to Miami.
    The Pelicans need to unload Cousins now his ceiling is the highest Now.
    If we wait till February 2018 we could be screwed for many reasons
    Cousins could get injured? He might be playing like crap? His on the court Toxic image could be at a all time high.
    With all that being said he could walk out the front door and we lost It all.
    It seems that would be a sharp move for the future
    Remember we were sold on this Davis Cousins combo that all the Elite FA would be giving up anything to play with these guys. We seen it did NOTHING
    I see people started ignoring your old "Demps is the Anti-Christ" schtic so you found a new one to stir things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwheat View Post
    Slim I will add this to the discussion
    What assurance we have Cousins stays in New Orleans?
    NONE. He is all about Cousins just like Nick Saban said he wasn't going to Miami.
    The Pelicans need to unload Cousins now his ceiling is the highest Now.
    If we wait till February 2018 we could be screwed for many reasons
    Cousins could get injured? He might be playing like crap? His on the court Toxic image could be at a all time high.
    With all that being said he could walk out the front door and we lost It all.
    It seems that would be a sharp move for the future
    Remember we were sold on this Davis Cousins combo that all the Elite FA would be giving up anything to play with these guys. We seen it did NOTHING
    Problem is as the numbers show, this team has a very low ceiling and no flexibility for three years. Other problem even though I don't think Boogie is all about himself is that he was in a terrible situation in Sac and had the trade here dictated for him. Next summer is his only chance to find the best situation he can as a FA while still in his prime. He turns 27 next month and doesn't have a min of playoff ball to his name.

    I see no way he signs away the rest of his prime to a team with such a limited ceiling until he's 29/30 yrs old.

    Some here are just in deep deep denial. No one wants to admit how poor the situation is here the next 3 yrs. It's just "ra ra" cheerleading or that we're magically gonna trade fro Bledsoe and Wall. LOL.

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    Why do people who have a pessimistic outlook always insist they're the ones who see reality and the rest are in denial?

    Jesus, get over yourself. You're talking about sports. It's escapism. None of this is reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tthier2 View Post
    He is definitely not MM. even he is not this negative and saying the same thing repetitively
    Yeah I don't think he's MM. He's not that much of a narcissistic psychopath.

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