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You honestly think there is a fair comparison to be made between Collison and Holiday?
We overpaid for Holiday. There is no debate. BUT, had we not signed Holiday then we would barely even be able to afford a $10 million deal for Collison and would have used up *almost* all of our available cap room. I am quite certain that all of this board would have been pissed if Darren Collison was the only addition we made this offseason.
And Holiday is a freaking good point guard. He is one of the best two way points in the league. And he is only 27. When this 5 year deal is up he will only be one year older than George Hill and Kyle Lowry are RIGHT NOW.
We overpaid for him but we honestly had no alternative.
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At least there are not that much freeagents left I am keen on.
This offseason has to be saved via trade and Bledsoe is one of the best targets I can realistically see us having a shot at. Don't want to give up a lot for Lin or Smart (don't see the fit there anyway).
Last edited by Werdiknight; 07-03-2017 at 07:24 PM.
and I'm assuming a free agent most of the board was keen on just went off the board
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I said it once, and I'll say it again. If we get Bledsoe, and just make the playoffs, then it's pretty much a guarantee that Boogie will sign an extension. That loyalty and Kentucky blood/brotherhood runs strong.
I don't think it was a coincidence that the report about Boogie trying to recruit free agents to come here came out around the same time it was reported that John Wall wouldn't sign his extension either.
Jrue balls out this year, Wall pulls a CP3/George, and I wouldn't be surprised if we make the trade with assets. Other teams probably wouldn't pull the trigger on Wall because they'll be trading for a 1 year rental in Wall. We'd be doing the same thing but we'll pull the trigger on Wall just because we have the highest percentage in him signing an extension with us because he'll be playing with AD, Boogie, and Bledsoe.
I wouldn't even be surprised if by that time Coach Cal will be coaching the Pelicans. Even if Wall were to be traded to a different team, you don't think he'll come here after that season with Coach Cal, Boogie, and Bledsoe on the team??
THE KEY HERE IS...TRADE FOR BLEDSOE
Last edited by WhyHornetsWhy; 07-03-2017 at 07:46 PM.
Collison on the team as a starter instead of Holiday would = L L L L L L L L L L L L in the win/loss column. Would've been a nice backup option at the MLE, Indiana knew they could get him offering him a little bit more than that amount.
Great post!
yes... comparing the Holiday & Collison contracts is trying to compare apples & oranges... it's just not the fair thing to do
Yeah I wouldn't have gone that high for Collison. I was hoping for 6 mil a year max. I would be happy with Lawson off the bench than. Also, I'm so Bledsoe or bust. Although, I'm warming up to Smart.
This is another prediction I have is Wall coming here to team up with AD and Boogie. Sending the Wizards 2 1st rounders, Diallo, and a possible 3rd team willing to take Jrue giving us some additional assets to send their way. I think as long as we make the playoffs Boogie is going to sign here. Once that happens the recruiting with AD/Boogie is going to heat up big time. Wall would be the perfect PG for this team. IMO the biggest mistake the Wizards made was not doing whatever it took to get Boogie from the Kings. Wall/Beal/Porter/Cousins would have been a serious group to deal with.
...And also, like I said, if another team were to trade for Wall, the go after Coach Cal. Coach Cal, Boogie, Bledsoe...Are you kidding me? No way Wall doesn't come here after his 1 year season with that new team.
Hell, that would be even better. You could trade Jrue for a superstar 3 and sign veterans chasing a ring that offseason.
Future's ours.
Last edited by WhyHornetsWhy; 07-03-2017 at 07:53 PM.
John Wall in New Orleans? Well that changes everything. If Demps can pull that off too we might as well fire Gentry and get ready to finally enjoy watching a real contender at the Smoothie King.
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I don't see Wall leaving as long as Scotty Brooks is Head Coach.
The only way is via trade. Anything is possible.
Maybe Demps is working on that now
I believe Alvin Gentry as Head Coach is hurting us getting players
Jrue can't be traded for at least 30 days right? Am i wrong on that?
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I Think CJ MILES is a Safehouse somewhere. Gracious, haven't heard a peep !!!
Jrue has NOT signed yet! So, technically he can still be put in a S&T
Yea I was gonna say Cal as well who I wish we had now. Only problem with Cal would mean we had another bad season with management getting fired. But that also might not be such a bad thing if and a big if we went and snatched Cal up right away guaranteeing us Boogie resigning and being in the driver seat to land John Wall. Even without Cal I think we have a great shot and resigning Boogie and potentially landing Wall but that all depends on our success. Wall has to be salivating at the chance to play with the 2 best bigs in the league that happened to be his boys from Kentucky. Find a couple of 3 and D wings and I would put that team up against anybody.
And technically I can get a six pack. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Not only would the Pelicans have to go back on their agreement, which practically never happens, but as PELICANSFAN noted earlier, they would have to modify the agreement to take out the player option for the fifth year. On top of all that, Jrue would have to agree to the trade to the new team under the renegotiated terms.
Jrue is going to sign with us. He's not going anywhere. Literally.
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So could we get Wall without trading Jrue? If the answer is no then lets please be realistic with the speculation.
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Outside of trading AD or Boogie, no.
actually... the way it's worded... I think we can't trade Jrue until Dec. 15
think it says "30 days after signing or Dec. 15, whichever is latest"
It's 3 months or Dec. 15, whichever is later.
which in our case means we can't move Jrue until Dec. 15
Look, I answered the question. That's all. I didn't say it was going to happen. I said it could & it is legal. DEANDRE jORDAN ! And since you want to be so pedantic ! Actually, NOT Technically, but as you say LIterally they can still trade Jrue. Jrue would've had to approve any sign & trade, even before the verbal agreement, so that point is moot.
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