Kings Offer Otto Porter Four-Year, $106M Max Contract: https://t.co/MrTyR1P1Si pic.twitter.com/5oPqqzw3V3
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Kings Offer Otto Porter Four-Year, $106M Max Contract: https://t.co/MrTyR1P1Si pic.twitter.com/5oPqqzw3V3
— RealGM (@RealGM) July 2, 2017
You think quite highly of yourself. Get back with me when Ingles guards Carmelo,LeBron etc. Hill is so much the better athlete than Ingles. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself. Anyway- you should try to have a conversation instead of spending all of your time trying to prove that you are right and all others that disagree are wrong. We see the same guy & come to different conclusions. if it means that much to you to be RIGHT, instead of realizing that a differing opinion is just that. BTW- using a play from your playbook. Don't speak of what you don't know- I have an abundance of knowledge regarding basketball. At the same time,Just because I disagreed w/ your opinion doesn't mean that I think you don't know what you are talking about. I just don't agree with it. Get over it.Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco
How is it an overpay? Did you watch the Jazz play? Sure his relationship with Hayward is important, but any team would have paid Ingles that much money, Ingles' loyalty to the Jazz, and his play in the system are what is keeping him in Utah.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
Wow!
Call me crazy, but that is a move of desperation.
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Either way. The Wizards will match the hell out of it.
...and I secretly, but out loud, feel a surge of vindication that Otto Porter became a max worthy player after all.
Are you seriously going to sit here and try to flip Lowry getting 33.3m/yr as Dell screwing up Jrue's deal?
Gtfo with that nonsense. Jrue will be paid ~98m over 4 years then he will have a player option for his last year, which he might or might not opt into. Lowry just got 100m over 3.
It was always coming. And the Wizards were always going to match. The only question was which team was going to offer it.
"I'm not going to allow my putative owner to answer that question, this is an NBA related press conference. Paul Tagliabue and Roger Goodell have collectively sung their praises of Tom and if uh ESPN has a problem with that tell Mr. Skipper to call me at my office."
Part time unathletic player who will be 33 when he enters the last year of his contract. 3yr 30-35 million should've been his max offer.
If somebody wants Bojan Bogdanovic now would be an optimal time to give him an offer.
Works out better for Wizards as there is no 5th year (only they could offer that) and the annual raises the Kings could offer are lower than Wizards could have. So, effectively, it is a "discounted" max contract for the Wizards.
Mythrol- Bronco is about to hit you with "Don't talk about something you obviously don't know anything about" That's his GoTo ! Wait for it!
And someone likely will. He is a great shooter.
If athlete = great defender, Julian Wright would of been better then Bruce Bowen.
Klay Thompson would be chump change defensively compared to James Harden. But athleticism is rarely the strongest indicator of defensive prowess. The ability requires physical tools, absolutely, but once the baseline is met the non-physical things seem to be much more important. Look at the CP3's, Beverly's, Allen's, and Green's of the NBA. You would never call them the physical freaks of their class but they are elite defenders.
I get the sense you may be projecting a bit with these insults? Quoting people that were innocently answering a person's question with condescending comments toward them, then telling people to stop acting like it appears you are in fact acting.
Listen, look around, you are the only one that is denying Ingles as an above average defender. Is it just everyone else are a bunch of pretentious jerks, or is it maybe because it is the current consensus that people are thinking this? Why it is the numbers and analysis all back this up?
Honestly the only person I ever expected to try to turn Lowry's deal into a Pelicans screw up was Buckwheat.
Could you imagine the meltdown that would have happened if Jrue signed a 3yr/100m deal?
I think Dell screwed up Jrue's deal independently of anything the Raptors did, but the Lowry deal does illustrate to me further issues I hadn't though of til this provoked it.
Speaking of shooters, what exactly are we targeting? Are we using Jrue as our sharpshooter & priority PG? Is priority a Combo that can shoot the 3. Is our Priority a 3 or stretch 4 that can shoot the 3. Are we looking for a CJ Miles type first, a PG first, a Stretch 4 first? What in the twilight direction are we going?
He will be 32, and being athletic helps when playing defense, but it's not the only thing that makes you an impact defender. Ingles is a solid defender, and he is a great fit in that system. His contract is similar to Jrue's ($11m- year 1, $12m- year 2, $13m- year 3, $14m year 4). Smart deal.
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/joe-ingles-15852/
His birthday will put him at 33 before the start of his 4th season, maybe he stays viable ala Kyle Korver but I'm sticking to my 3yr 30-35 million. Some people really hated the move.
Jazz re-sign Joe Ingles (4 years, $52 million): KAHN!!! Grade
This is the worst signing of the NBA offseason thus far. The Jazz could've offered Joe Ingles half as much, and it still wouldn't have been a good acquisition. That's how awful this move is.
Ingles is usually a backup, but he saw more action last year in the wake of injuries. He had some nice moments, but giving him $13 million per year is absurd. Plus, it's not like he's a young player who has the potential to improve. He turns 30 in October, so his skills will erode by the end of this contract. This signing is easily worth a Kahn.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nbafreeage...BaEEPLvrJd.99]
Well, it's walterfootball commenting on basketball free agency. I don't go to Taco Bell looking for Authentic Italian food...or Mexican food.
Walter football is a fun read, but it's just that, it's hardly insightful, and even less correct.
The link I provided shows that Ingles will be a free agent when he hits 33.
Last edited by UNO Gracias; 07-02-2017 at 05:40 PM.
You're full of it and you know it. Jrue was never accepting a 3yr deal.
A combo guard. It's been clear from the beginning. Look at what players we've been linked to.
Young, Collison, Justin Holiday, Meeks. All combo guards or straight up shooters.
Random dude on Walter Football that clearly doesnt even understand a lot of the teams he is commenting on isn't exactly a major indictment.
Almost every contract after the true superstars is an overpay based on talent or performance alone, its the matter of degrees and larger context that separates teams IMO.
Ingles doesn't really cause any harm for the Jazz's flexibility. Shooting and passing have a long shelf life and his style of savvy and physical defense has a fairly long shelf life as well. Barring major injuries he is the type of player you can move when needed.
Last edited by N.O.Bronco; 07-02-2017 at 05:42 PM.
4 years is more my sticking point, since that is the alignment of our cap that is so critical going into Davis's final year and needing to have the room to make the most optimal sell to him. And maybe that wouldn't get it done, but I am also of the mind of letting him walk is not the worst thing if we couldn't come to more amiable terms. So you are going to struggle convincing me on any big deal that is max in length. But looking at what the other players got in this class:
It seems reasonable that his market value could of been negotiated to that 4 year range. If we were more willing to play hardball. But like with Asik, Demps tends to lean on estimating the market value and beating it to avoid the risk of flight, over letting the market set it and playing the waiting game.
So, we would have Jrue starting at the #2 & Solo #3? Our Top priority is their Back-Up ?
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