I think it's been said multiple times that Ryno's value was in the 10-11M range on the open market. The injury might have hurt him but one year removed and a good showing and I think he is right back there.Originally Posted by da ThRONe
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I think it's been said multiple times that Ryno's value was in the 10-11M range on the open market. The injury might have hurt him but one year removed and a good showing and I think he is right back there.
Last edited by Mythrol; 06-22-2014 at 05:33 PM. Reason: yes
If Anderson was a FA after last year, I think he would have gotten around 10 mil per. Maybe 8-9 mil if he became one this year.
But what a guy gets in FA does not equate with value IMO. It is as much potential and fit. There will be 10 big guys who get more annually than Diaw this summer who aren't half the player. Just watch.
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How much do you think gordon hayward and parsons will get?
Im thinking Hayward 12 mil because he is 2 years younger
Parsons 11 million
So you are saying that 2" and 2 years are the difference between a par center getting 7 million per and a guy you think can be a core player on a championship team getting almost the same salary.
Again I'm just not getting how a player can be so valuable one minute and then so unvaluable next.
I think they are both 12M/yr or over. But so much depends on other players. If LBJ and Melo opt out. Is Parsons used as a S&T to clear Lin and Asik?
I get what ur saying, but i think MM is trying to think Ryno is more valuable to our team in general, maybe to space the floor for tyreke since we don't have a SF who can do that, therefor we need a 4 to space it, regardless of where the spacing comes from. I completely understand what ur saying though.
I understand, for this team if salary cap wasn't an issue, how much would u pay each one for us if both were UFA?
Jrue is considered a core piece on a 10-11M/yr contract. Reke is considered a core piece and is on a 11M declining contract. Why is it so hard to believe Ryno who is valued at around 10M/yr can be a core piece? Are only max players core pieces?
If salary cap is no issue then I'd offer a max because it wouldn't matter. But every other team would too.
If I'm having to deal with a salary cap but both are UFA I go up to 13-14M range for Parsons. Hayward I'd offer less. I have Parsons rated higher.
The question becomes after 2 seasons can we afford to re-sign Anderson when we'll need to sign Evans and Holiday the following offseason? These are the kinds of questions you also have to consider.
You would have to believe we are the only team that values floor spacing or believe that's all Anderson does for that concept to make sense.
A core piece for what? A solid playoff team or a title contender? I've never viewed neither Holiday or Evans as a core piece for a championship team at any points in their respective career and nothing have changed since they got here.
haven't you yourself said the most you can hope to build is a WCF competitor? the rest is luck and other factors you can't control.
if that is the goal I think our team healthy and with an AD who has taken another step is just that. AD is key to any hope of our future team.
I agree about AD, I also think jrue and tyreke are good core pieces. I also think ryno can be one but I think it would be better off getting a core SF and getting a cheap bruising center, I think this would make the team more complete.
Right now we don't have a SF who can spread the floor or a big that can defend the post, if we get a SF at least we address 1 of those issues.
Yes, but as I just said this group IMO isn't that. Again I respect your views because you have way higher expectations for Davis than I do. However not only do I not share you ceiling for Davis even if he reaches "your" ceiling we still are a long shot to be title contenders IMO.
Now you are changing the discussion. You asked what his real value was and I gave it. As far as resigning him, it all depends. We can bring him back no doubt if we like our core as is or we can S&T him for different pieces.
That's one of the less discussed pieces of what Dell is doing. Instead of having a ton of young guys and hoping they develop you use developed guys to bring in core pieces around a then developed AD. Personally I think that's better because you know what AD is a lot better than drafting and hoping around your leader who is still too young to know what his game will be.
Also. Completely random and I don't know if anyone will get it but. . . GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
Last edited by Mythrol; 06-22-2014 at 06:24 PM. Reason: yes
I don't know what is so hard to understand - guys get overpaid at 23, 24 coming off their first contract. It doesn't happen nearly as often in their next one.
Just watch what Lowry gets despite having a better year than guys who will get paid more than him. And he will be better over the next 3-4 years than a lot of the guys who get more money. I don't worry about Jrue, Reke, and Ryno getting overpaid on their next deals - not because they won't be good, but because even really good players don't often get overpaid at that stage of their career. I don't get it or agree with it, but it is how teams have done things in free agency historically.
This is what I found brilliant about Dell's move with Holiday - he found a guy who was extended at a bit of a discount, so that first overpay is avoided, and history says the 2nd one is rare. To me, guys like Greg Monroe and Klay Thompson are the kind of guys I would avoid - guys who are nowhere near max players that will get it because of their "potential". The team can't afford to let them walk because of the small chance they take a leap, but won't get them at their fair value either.
Last edited by MichaelMcNamara; 06-22-2014 at 06:37 PM.
MM... Being a legit 7 footer is part of what actually could make Hawes more valuable. He can defend Centers.
I strongly disagree that the luxury of having Ryan Anderson coming off the bench, makes this team better next year than having Dunleavy starting at SF, Hawes at Center, and Vonleh coming off the bench.
Hawes and Dunleavy both stretch the court, and Vonleh can give you 20 mpg of serious production.
Why is it automatically assumed Ryno will always come off the bench? When he was healthy he and AD were starters,
And even if he does, the guy got 36 minutes and finished games last year. Same as any other "starter"
36 minutes and closing games is a "luxury" obviously.
I think his skill set is a luxury in that you can win with a guy like that but don't need it the way you need a perimeter guy who can set up, a big who can defend the paint, etc.
But he is such a good player, and I feel like most of us believe that too, but those who disagree have a loud voice and aren't afraid to use it. He is a top 40-50 player on a contract that will be somewhere between 120-140 in terms of how high it is in relation to others in the league.
I wouldn't say a "luxury" skill as much as "alternate". He's not a standard type of big and therefor not every team can take advantage of him but as Dirk and others have shown, those types of players can be just as valuable as standard ones.
Yeah, I don't know the word I am looking for. Maybe, non-universal?
I feel like there is an inside of the box idea of the 5 positions. Almost nobody refers to Ryno as a PF; its always a "stretch four"
Unconventional, but I agree, that doesn't mean less valuable. Diaw is an unconventional big. Derek Fisher was an unconventional PG, Horry and unconventional PF, Jason Terry an unconventional PG (where he often finished games before Kidd), etc. etc.
And guys like that often have more value to some teams than others, so they don't get crazy salaries, but the value is undoubtedly there. Ryno was crazy good his last year in Orlando, but how many bigs were there like Dwight on other teams that had money to bid for him? Ryno is a better player than Chandler Parsons or Gordon Hayward, but Hayward and Parsons will get paid more every time.
I know this is kind of irrelevant but they have Hayward and parsons rated in the mid to high 80's in 2k but they have Anderson rated at like a 67 which is outrageous. I know it's a video game but the outright disrespect Anderson gets on that game and just in general is bad. He's incredibly underrated and I say that as he averaged 20 ppg last season before his injury.
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