Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

[BallSoHard]

Good deal, if u go 1 whole week without replying to any of my posts with the words per36 I offer you a truce

But seriously its all good, maybe I was just being up tight.

HG PER 36 jokes are played out, i like to be on the cutting edge.

[HornetGuru]

I think the problem was with the phrasing of the question. If you had asked if he has ever pursued a team job it would have went over much smoother and I actually think it's a valid question. While becoming a GM involves so much luck and things that are completely out of your control, I think MM could easily be a guy who breaks down tape and gives advice and analysis on players for an NBA.

Right after I posted it I thought I should go back and change it to have you ever thought of trying to become an nba gm but just didn't feel like it.

[HornetGuru]

HG PER 36 jokes are played out, i like to be on the cutting edge.

Hahaha agreed.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Not that anybody cares, but I am seriously considering going into women's college ball coaching. Have gotten some feelers lately and I love coaching the game at its purest levels. Guys are vastly superior, but coaching them the last few years, they cut corners because of their abilities.

Seriously thinking about it

[HornetGuru]

Not that anybody cares, but I am seriously considering going into women's college ball coaching. Have gotten some feelers lately and I love coaching the game at its purest levels. Guys are vastly superior, but coaching them the last few years, they cut corners because of their abilities.

Seriously thinking about it

Team showers?

but seriously, good for you, whatever makes you happy. Football is my forte and been thinking of trying to get into high school football.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Team showers?

but seriously, good for you.

For every Elena Delle Donne, there are 50 Rebecca Lobo's. Not the best looking girls, and honestly, that is in the pro column. Gotta stay professional!

[MichaelMcNamara]

Anyway, to get back on track - I am open to being swayed.

Can anybody show me anything in Dell's track record or find me any quotes that he has said that could lead us to believe he would trade a good/great 24 or 25 year old for a 19 or 20 yr old rookie?

Open to all arguments and debates. I just need evidence.

[HornetGuru]

Anyway, to get back on track - I am open to being swayed.

Can anybody show me anything in Dell's track record or find me any quotes that he has said that could lead us to believe he would trade a good/great 24 or 25 year old for a 19 or 20 yr old rookie?

Open to all arguments and debates. I just need evidence.

I don't think we will get a 1st round pick and if we do we will use it as part of a trade.

I could go into more detail but don't feel like it.

I don't think any trades will be done, we sign PJ Tucker and use MLE on blatche.

boring...

[MichaelMcNamara]

I don't think we will get a 1st round pick and if we do we will use it as part of a trade.

I agree, but can you argue the other side? Because I can't. Not that I can't argue the idea of getting one of those guys. But I can't argue that Dell would do that. I can't find anything in his track record that could even remotely point to that possibility.

Best I got is that, coming from SA, he saw what moving George Hill for a better fitting, younger piece did. But George Hill was closer to an Austin Rivers, not a Ryno or Reke. Could I see him moving Rivers for a pick if a SF or C he likes falls? Sure. But not one of the 4 main guys.

[Mythrol]

Scarlett's voice is just too raspy.... lol

Look, I get it. I don't have 1/10th of the qualifications required for a GM. But, either did my friends, and I bet one of them gets a GM job within the next 5 years. Just gotta love ball, understand the game, and put in the work. They are good at the politics, though. You guys have seen me on here - I can get a little edgy, lets say. Same in "real life". Somebody disrespects me, and I can't smile and walk away, whether they are my boss or a stranger. My fatal flaw.

Hey I hope nothing but the best for your friend and for that matter you. I think it'd be awesome if your friend becomes a GM and brings you in. Then I can say I argued basketball with an NBA exec for years. For something that's just a hobby for me, that's a cool story to have.

I also get the inability to wink and smile when feeling disrespected. But maybe it's not all bad. It would make for a fun podcast if there was a 3rd person in it that you just went at it with about topics.

[HornetGuru]

I agree, but can you argue the other side? Because I can't. Not that I can't argue the idea of getting one of those guys. But I can't argue that Dell would do that. I can't find anything in his track record that could even remotely point to that possibility.

Best I got is that, coming from SA, he saw what moving George Hill for a better fitting, younger piece did. But George Hill was closer to an Austin Rivers, not a Ryno or Reke. Could I see him moving Rivers for a pick if a SF or C he likes falls? Sure. But not one of the 4 main guys.

went back and edited my post.

[HornetGuru]

I agree, but can you argue the other side? Because I can't. Not that I can't argue the idea of getting one of those guys. But I can't argue that Dell would do that. I can't find anything in his track record that could even remotely point to that possibility.

Best I got is that, coming from SA, he saw what moving George Hill for a better fitting, younger piece did. But George Hill was closer to an Austin Rivers, not a Ryno or Reke. Could I see him moving Rivers for a pick if a SF or C he likes falls? Sure. But not one of the 4 main guys.

Coming fro the Spurs I could see dell wanting a late 1st to take a role playing SF, most of the spurs players, besides duncan, were late 1st/2nd round picks.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Hey I hope nothing but the best for your friend and for that matter you. I think it'd be awesome if your friend becomes a GM and brings you in. Then I can say I argued basketball with an NBA exec for years. For something that's just a hobby for me, that's a cool story to have.

I also get the inability to wink and smile when feeling disrespected. But maybe it's not all bad. It would make for a fun podcast if there was a 3rd person in it that you just went at it with about topics.

Oh, I can argue and debate. Disrespect is something else. Like condescension really gets to me. I mean, you might be my boss, but you are not a better person than me. Give me an order, but don't talk down to me. That drives me nuts.

[MichaelMcNamara]

went back and edited my post.

Couldn't sign both Blatche and Tucker. If you use cap room to sign Tucker, you lose MLE

[HornetGuru]

Couldn't sign both Blatche and Tucker. If you use cap room to sign Tucker, you lose MLE

hmmmmmm well never mind then

[Mythrol]

Anyway, to get back on track - I am open to being swayed.

Can anybody show me anything in Dell's track record or find me any quotes that he has said that could lead us to believe he would trade a good/great 24 or 25 year old for a 19 or 20 yr old rookie?

Open to all arguments and debates. I just need evidence.

My argument would be, does that mean he wouldn't trade Jrue for a pick that he could get AD with? While I agree that I think he prefers "young vets" from everything he's said and done. I also can't help but believe if he had a player tiered as a game changer he would attempt to get that player even if he was 19/20.

[MichaelMcNamara]

My argument would be, does that mean he wouldn't trade Jrue for a pick that he could get AD with? While I agree that I think he prefers "young vets" from everything he's said and done. I also can't help but believe if he had a player tiered as a game changer he would attempt to get that player even if he was 19/20.

If he viewed somebody at that level in this draft, I don't think he would have traded the pick last year. I mean, he scouts these guys when they are 15 or 16.

Only guy I can see him in love with is Embiid, but how are you not terrified after seeing what this team has been through injury wise and what it has done to the on court product?

And the biggest factor - you might love Embiid, but if you don't make the playoffs, you are likely drafting that guy for the next GM. I would love to think that he cares about the franchise more than his own self preservation, but I think that might be a tad bit naive

[Mythrol]

hmmmmmm well never mind then

Sometimes I can't help but think you are trolling HG. Lol. I swear it has been mentioned enough about the cap and MLE issue that you knew it before now.

[HornetGuru]

Sometimes I can't help but think you are trolling HG. Lol. I swear it has been mentioned enough about the cap and MLE issue that you knew it before now.

Lol I know I'm just messing, use already told me this like 4 times in the last week

[da ThRONe]

First of all, I am trying to think like Dell. And yes, Ryno helps this team far more than any rookie would over the next 2-3 years. Years 4-10, that rookie could help more, but there is no universe in which (if all are healthy) that a guy like Vonleh helps your team win more games than Ryno this year.

And specialty players just don't get huge contracts. I mean, Ginobli is probably a top 10-12 SG of all time, but because he was never viewed as a pure starting 2, he never got a max type contract.

Anderson is a guy who needs to be in a particular situation to have his max value for a team. You gotta put him in a drive and kick or post and kick offense with a rim protector behind him. Conventional players have perceived value amongst all 29 teams, so the market escalates.

The issue here is Dell's job security or lack thereof. Personally, I would move Gordon and Ryno to go get Embiid, or at least consider it. But if we step outside of ourselves and think like Dell, I don't know what evidence we can possibly point to that would suggest he would go that route.

No I think you missed my point. I agree that it's not likely Demps would trade Anderson for say Vonleh and then expect Vonleh to contribute right away. It goes against the point of trading for Holiday and signing Evans.

My point was when MVP suggested getting Hawes and Dunlevy to compensate in the short run what we get from Anderson you made it seems like Ryan is far more valuable then both. Yet you seem to think there won't be teams that could use Ryan's skill set as badly if not more so than us enough to offer a big deal while he's in his prime.

As for Ginobili I thought it was common knowledge he takes pay cuts to keep the Spurs championship window open, not because he was some utility player.

[Mythrol]

If he viewed somebody at that level in this draft, I don't think he would have traded the pick last year. I mean, he scouts these guys when they are 15 or 16.

Only guy I can see him in love with is Embiid, but how are you not terrified after seeing what this team has been through injury wise and what it has done to the on court product?

And the biggest factor - you might love Embiid, but if you don't make the playoffs, you are likely drafting that guy for the next GM. I would love to think that he cares about the franchise more than his own self preservation, but I think that might be a tad bit naive

Oh I didn't mean in this draft. I just meant in general. I think there is clearly a scenario where Dell picks a 19 year old over a 24 year old. Even if he views the 24 year old as a "core" piece.

[MichaelMcNamara]

No I think you missed my point. I agree that it's not likely Demps would trade Anderson for say Vonleh and then expect Vonleh to contribute right away. It goes against the point of trading for Holiday and signing Evans.

My point was when MVP suggested getting Hawes and Dunlevy to compensate in the short run what we get from Anderson you made it seems like Ryan is far more valuable then both. Yet you seem to think there won't be teams that could use Ryan's skill set as badly if not more so than us enough to offer a big deal while he's in his prime.

As for Ginobili I thought it was common knowledge he takes pay cuts to keep the Spurs championship window open, not because he was some utility player.

Ryno is far more valuable than Dunleavy and Hawes. I mean, I don't know how that is debatable. Look at Net Rating. I mean, it seems like the debate on here about Ryno is black and white. You are right, he might not be a core piece, but he is extremely valuable. People remember how terrible this team looked at times those first 8 games, right?

He is the most valuable offensive player IMO. You take him off the court and the team suffers more than if you take any other single player off. I think he is one of the 30 most valuable offensive weapons in the entire NBA. That said, yes he could be moved for a better fitting core piece. But he can't be replaced with a Dunleavy or a Hawes, even in the short term

[MichaelMcNamara]

Oh I didn't mean in this draft. I just meant in general. I think there is clearly a scenario where Dell picks a 19 year old over a 24 year old. Even if he views the 24 year old as a "core" piece.

Would have to be the right guy. AD was talented, yes, but he was also incredibly humble and willing to sacrifice. One thing we all know but often goes overlooked is that he took the 5th most shots on that Kentucky team. He didn't care, just wanted to win. That is how Spurs players think, and he did it as an 18 yr old.

Would have to be that level of special guy, and I don't see that guy in this draft, so I would be extremely shocked if he moved a core piece for a top pick in this draft

[da ThRONe]

Ryno is far more valuable than Dunleavy and Hawes. I mean, I don't know how that is debatable. Look at Net Rating. I mean, it seems like the debate on here about Ryno is black and white. You are right, he might not be a core piece, but he is extremely valuable. People remember how terrible this team looked at times those first 8 games, right?

He is the most valuable offensive player IMO. You take him off the court and the team suffers more than if you take any other single player off. I think he is one of the 30 most valuable offensive weapons in the entire NBA. That said, yes he could be moved for a better fitting core piece. But he can't be replaced with a Dunleavy or a Hawes, even in the short term

Cool, but here's the problem with your logic. You guys have Hawes in the open market in the MLE tourney at 3yrs 22M's that's 7 million a season. If that's the value for Hawes and Anderson is superior what is Anderson worth in the open market? You build the guy up when it's fits your narrative then you find a way to say he doesn't have value when that fits your narrative. You want it both ways.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Cool, but here's the problem with your logic. You guys have Hawes in the open market in the MLE tourney at 3yrs 22M's that's 7 million a season. If that's the value for Hawes and Anderson is superior what is Anderson worth in the open market? You build the guy up when it's fits your narrative then you find a way to say he doesn't have value when that fits your narrative. You want it both ways.

Hawes is hitting free agency at 26 years and 1 month of age. Anderson will hit it at the age of 28. Also, Hawes is a legit 7 footer, and we live in a world where Jerome James gets paid because he is 7 feet tall. Todd Fuller gets drafted ahead of Kobe.

All I can do is look at the past and try to predict the future. I don't try to create a narrative. If you can find me 28 yr olds with Anderson's size, skill set, and production that got huge contracts, then I will say that I might be wrong. And maybe there aren't any, but I will be wrong anyway, but the past does not indicate that.

Example - Isaiah Thomas will get way underpaid for his production this summer because he doesn't fit a prototypical profile. Boris Diaw won't get paid this summer despite being a Finals MVP candidate. Some guys just don't get paid big money despite their production because they fit only certain teams and/or don't fit a prototype.