2014 Playoffs - Geaux CP3

[Eman5805]

Acquiring LeBron and Bosh was a total success for the Heat franchise. They went from barely having attendance to the hottest ticket in the league. And four straight Finals appearances isn't anything to snark at. So what they only won half of them.

Now, for LeBron? A guy that is put in the same annals of Jordan and such, winning more championship series than he lost was big for him. And he just didn't do that. Being 2 out of 5 in finals is going to hurt his rep some. It's unfair, but such is life.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Lebron will still finish as a top 5 player of All-Time. Just has no shot at finishing #1

[Vinny6420]

Spurs are just so amazing.

[Vinny6420]

Belinelli deserved that

[JunkHead]

This is the best outcome that could happen. Spurs win on home court. Leonard winning MVP on Father's Day. All is right with the world tonight.

[wuggie]

2/4 in four years as opposed to 1/2 in four years. Hmmm...



Anyway, I think this Spurs team has to go down as one of the best teams ever. They were excellent at defense, unstoppable on offense, and just so damn versatile. Also, one of the best sport coaches in history.

-_- I'll try elaborating more on my posts more often. -_- I'll try elaborating more on my posts more often. I didn't say the Spurs were more of a success or better than the Heat the last few years, I was trying to say that opposed to just superstars coming together to win the Spurs way still can work. I'll explain what I meant exactly later.

[da ThRONe]

Acquiring LeBron and Bosh was a total success for the Heat franchise. They went from barely having attendance to the hottest ticket in the league. And four straight Finals appearances isn't anything to snark at. So what they only won half of them.

Now, for LeBron? A guy that is put in the same annals of Jordan and such, winning more championship series than he lost was big for him. And he just didn't do that. Being 2 out of 5 in finals is going to hurt his rep some. It's unfair, but such is life.

And only one of those Finals loss are his fault. The others rest on his supporting cast. Unfortunately for LeBron nobody will care.

As far as him going down as #1 its still to early to say, but this sure hurts his case. But if he goes somewhere else or MIA retools and he runs off 3 or 4 straight he's right back in the discussion.

[Mythrol]

Kawhi Leonard sure looked like a #1 option to me.

I'd like to revisit this after the core 3 is gone from the Spurs. He played great but I honestly feel it was a perfect storm for him to win the MVP because no one else really stood out because of the team ball the Spurs play. I honestly think Diaw had just as much impact as Leonard and did it for 5 games instead of just 3 but Diaw didn't get any talk.

Leonard showed me he can be a 2nd guy but if the argument is Leonard honestly was the no. 1 option for the Spurs I find that completely and utterly wrong. I don't think he replicates this on any other team. Not where he is now.

[pelicans_82-0]

The Spurs can win another championship in the next year and even some more in the next seasons, if they would have one player named Anthony Davis. I am glad, that we have him on our team .

[da ThRONe]

I'd like to revisit this after the core 3 is gone from the Spurs. He played great but I honestly feel it was a perfect storm for him to win the MVP because no one else really stood out because of the team ball the Spurs play. I honestly think Diaw had just as much impact as Leonard and did it for 5 games instead of just 3 but Diaw didn't get any talk.

Leonard showed me he can be a 2nd guy but if the argument is Leonard honestly was the no. 1 option for the Spurs I find that completely and utterly wrong. I don't think he replicates this on any other team. Not where he is now.

I don't have a problem with differing opinions. Just would like the same respect when mines is given.

As far as Leonard don't see the holes in his game preventing him from being that number 1. Can shoot, drive, pull up, post up, pass, rebound, protect the rim, defend in the post, defend on the perimeter, hit free throws, create to's, and he's never rattled to boot.

[pelicans_82-0]

Kawhi is a great player, but he is not an elite scorer.
20ppg is realistic though.

[BallSoHard]

And only one of those Finals loss are his fault. The others rest on his supporting cast. Unfortunately for LeBron nobody will care.

As far as him going down as #1 its still to early to say, but this sure hurts his case. But if he goes somewhere else or MIA retools and he runs off 3 or 4 straight he's right back in the discussion.

I think he's out of the convo for #1 overall.

[BallSoHard]

Kawhi Leonard sure looked like a #1 option to me.

Thats weird because Pop said he didn't run 1 play for him in the entire playoffs. So a very efficient and opportunistic #4 is more accurate sir.

[UNO Gracias]

I'd like to revisit this after the core 3 is gone from the Spurs. He played great but I honestly feel it was a perfect storm for him to win the MVP because no one else really stood out because of the team ball the Spurs play. I honestly think Diaw had just as much impact as Leonard and did it for 5 games instead of just 3 but Diaw didn't get any talk.

Leonard showed me he can be a 2nd guy but if the argument is Leonard honestly was the no. 1 option for the Spurs I find that completely and utterly wrong. I don't think he replicates this on any other team. Not where he is now.

I see your moving the goal posts. Par for the course.

I agree that Leonard is a #1 option, and I don't know how many times during the postseason it was said "Leonard is the future face of this franchise." But it was enough that if you made it a drinking game somebody would have died of alcohol poisoning. The point is, everybody knows and sees that Leonard is the face of that franchise moving forward. If that's not enough convincing that he is a #1 then there is no way anyone can convince you that the blue sky is blue. Everyone sees it but you refuse to acknowledge it.

I want to see what happens with Patty Mills. I wonder if they use him like George Hill and get a good draft pick for him, or do they turn him into Tony Parker 2.0? I wish we had signed him when he was a free agent, but he would have wasted away here. He really is in the best situation.

[UNO Gracias]

Thats weird because Pop said he didn't run 1 play for him in the entire playoffs. So a very efficient and opportunistic #4 is more accurate sir.

Yeah, Rick Fox just won the MVP.

[BallSoHard]

Yeah, Rick Fox just won the MVP.

Never said that. Just saying he's not a #1 option right now. I love his play though.

[UNO Gracias]

But he's a #4 option (your words, not mine). How often does your #4 option win the MVP? At worst he was your #3 option (Parker would have been below him), at best #2. I am with others who thought Diaw had just as much of an argument, but there is no denying that the guy (on many occasions) was the #1 guy the Spurs had going. I don't think ESPN is pulling Toni Kucok or Mario Chalmers to talk about their impact on the game.

[UNO Gracias]

One thing we can all agree about, thank goodness we don't have to watch that stupid samsung commercial about Lebron making selfies of his breakfast, etc.

Hurray!

And no more Bill Simmons.

More Hurrah!

[BallSoHard]

But he's a #4 option (your words, not mine). How often does your #4 option win the MVP? At worst he was your #3 option (Parker would have been below him), at best #2. I am with others who thought Diaw had just as much of an argument, but there is no denying that the guy (on many occasions) was the #1 guy the Spurs had going. I don't think ESPN is pulling Toni Kucok or Mario Chalmers to talk about their impact on the game.

No, pops words were he did not run a play for him. I'm 100 percent sure he ran plays for Duncan Parker and Ginobili. That to me means he's a lesser option to them. I think Leonard just capitalized on his opportunities. With that being said, the spurs are the worst team in the entire nba to say someone is a #1,2,3,4 option because they just take the best shot possible.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Exactly, Kawhi is a very, very good player. Never saw one person debate that. The argument was that he can be a #1 option for a team, while AD could not. It is literally impossible to be considered your teams' #1 option on offense if the coach says he did not call one play for you the entire postseason. Pops exact words.

Very, very good player - but that wasn't the argument.

[UNO Gracias]

I never said AD couldn't be a better #1 option (I am hoping he is for our teams sake).

The fact that Pops says he didn't design plays for Kawhi speaks more to the guys skills and just how scary he will be when he is called on to take on a bigger role. (Pops said he doesn't call plays for him because he feeds off of emotion, and he is more effective in that atmosphere).

I don't know, I see it, commentators during the game see it, Dincan sees it. Kawhi is the future of that team. He might not have been the #1 option this series, but he had a coming out party, and put the rest of the league on notice. Look for him to make a fee all star teams (now that his name is in people's minds).

I'm not going to convince you he is a #1 or better than what you see. I will let him and others do it. I don't want to be in the minority on this one though, I'm saying it now to get out in front of this one.

[MichaelMcNamara]

I don't even know what the debate is here. Everybody thinks Kawhi is a good to great player. The Spurs play a different kind of basketball than every other team. They don't go iso or put a ball in one guys' hands and ask him to create.

Kawhi is a very good player who found the perfect situation for himself. But I guess my thought is that when everyone else leaves, if Kawhi is their main guy and AD is ours - I will have no fear of San Antonio being superior.

[UNO Gracias]

It will be interesting to see what happens as it appears that the Spurs can move forward with Leonard, Mills, Green, and Tiago and while that combo isn't sexy, or scary, that is exactly what this Spurs team is (minus your Tim Duncan). That is a team that will make playoff runs for years to come, and should they sneak a high draft pick, they won't have to have a Tim Duncan or Anthony Davis to stay on top. That system (as you say) isn't your traditional system. They will keep retooling, and keep rolling, and our fans will keep saying "we need to build like Spurs" while the Spurs are the only ones showing they know the method to making it work.

[Mythrol]

I see your moving the goal posts. Par for the course.

I agree that Leonard is a #1 option, and I don't know how many times during the postseason it was said "Leonard is the future face of this franchise." But it was enough that if you made it a drinking game somebody would have died of alcohol poisoning. The point is, everybody knows and sees that Leonard is the face of that franchise moving forward. If that's not enough convincing that he is a #1 then there is no way anyone can convince you that the blue sky is blue. Everyone sees it but you refuse to acknowledge it.

I want to see what happens with Patty Mills. I wonder if they use him like George Hill and get a good draft pick for him, or do they turn him into Tony Parker 2.0? I wish we had signed him when he was a free agent, but he would have wasted away here. He really is in the best situation.

a team trying to turn a player into a No. 1 option does not mean that the player IS a no. 1 option.

as I've stated already, Leonard hit a perfect storm for being award an MVP because no one stood out on a team that plays 100% team ball. someone trying to use that as the reason he is a no. 1 option is fallacy. it wouldn't have mattered who won it, I would have said it. this team as a whole played the best team ball in a finals possibly ever.

I don't think removing Leonard means the Spurs lose the series and that's what I think of a no. 1 option as. someone that is irreplaceable for the team and does something no one else can. LBJ is a no. 1 option, Durant, Melo, others. Leonard showed he is a very good player but for someone to come on here after the finals and try to act like he SHOWED he was a no. 1 option is wrong.

if we did an NBA redraft right now where does he go? is he top 15? has he even shown he can truly take over a game yet? I've seen him shoot good and I've seen him defend good - but I've never seen him take over. he's never shown it.

I'm sorry but I just don't see where he showed he deserves to be crowned as a no. 1. Heck he fouled out 3/5 Finals games. He allowed himself to be take out of them. this Finals was about Miami being completely outmanned and outmatched. They couldn't ride LBJ into a championship once they hit a team that was top to bottom better. I see no stories written how Leonard won the Finals for the Spurs. I see a lot of "Team" talk. I'm happy for the Spurs and I think Leonard is an awesome player that I'd love to have on my team. but if asked to build my team from scratch I'm not picking him as a No. 1. which is what this comes down to. I don't think any team that has Leonard as the main piece will win it all. not from what I've seen yet.

But man would he be great as a No. 2/3 to AD.

[Mythrol]

a team trying to turn a player into a No. 1 option does not mean that the player IS a no. 1 option.

as I've stated already, Leonard hit a perfect storm for being award an MVP because no one stood out on a team that plays 100% team ball. someone trying to use that as the reason he is a no. 1 option is fallacy. it wouldn't have mattered who won it, I would have said it. this team as a whole played the best team ball in a finals possibly ever.

I don't think removing Leonard means the Spurs lose the series and that's what I think of a no. 1 option as. someone that is irreplaceable for the team and does something no one else can. LBJ is a no. 1 option, Durant, Melo, others. Leonard showed he is a very good player but for someone to come on here after the finals and try to act like he SHOWED he was a no. 1 option is wrong.

if we did an NBA redraft right now where does he go? is he top 15? has he even shown he can truly take over a game yet? I've seen him shoot good and I've seen him defend good - but I've never seen him take over. he's never shown it.

I'm sorry but I just don't see where he showed he deserves to be crowned as a no. 1. Heck he fouled out 3/5 Finals games. He allowed himself to be take out of them. this Finals was about Miami being completely outmanned and outmatched. They couldn't ride LBJ into a championship once they hit a team that was top to bottom better. I see no stories written how Leonard won the Finals for the Spurs. I see a lot of "Team" talk. I'm happy for the Spurs and I think Leonard is an awesome player that I'd love to have on my team. but if asked to build my team from scratch I'm not picking him as a No. 1. which is what this comes down to. I don't think any team that has Leonard as the main piece will win it all. not from what I've seen yet.

But man would he be great as a No. 2/3 to AD.

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