last year's trade for Jrue Holiday was one-sided

[djpaul89]

Evans isn't overpaid by 5M. It was known at the times that the Kings didn't want to go over 10M for him. He made 11.7M and decreases yearly. To me that is lower than your 2M/yr overpay. With the expected cap increases I don't think it's even overpaying. And it's no where near a top 10 worst contract.

I think most of the people, media and fans included, who complain about Tyreke's contract don't realize that it's a descending contract.

[BallSoHard]

I like to put point guards in tiers, not rank them 1-###; I think Jrue is in Tier 2 with a bunch of other guys. It's really hard to say he is better than one or the other; different teams have different schemes and what they ask their guys to do.

[MichaelMcNamara]

I like to put point guards in tiers, not rank them 1-###; I think Jrue is in Tier 2 with a bunch of other guys. It's really hard to say he is better than one or the other; different teams have different schemes and what they ask their guys to do.

Agree - he cant be the centerpiece of your offense, but he can run it well and go off from time to time if needed. Can also make life very tough for guys who are the centerpiece of their teams' offense.

In tier 2 with about 6 or 7 guys.

[PELICANSFAN]

Again, I dont think anybody is bashing this deal if Gordon isnt on the roster. I think people are a little freaked out that our roster appears somewhat set because of lack of cap space, but if Gordon isn't here, everybody would be so pumped about this team.

You dont compound mistakes. Dell made a huge one by matching Gordon, but you dont miss out on opportunities to get Jrue and Evans because of a past error. Once Gordon is gone, the picture will look so much clearer, and nobody will wish Tyreke or Jrue were anywhere else but here

You are probably right about Gordon. When Dell gave such a huge contract for Evans, everyone expected he had a plan to move Gordon. The frustrating thing is that he didn't. Hopefully he will do something to balance the roster.

[Soundwave]

Question

I know the rules state that you can't trade picks in consecutive seasons. How did we work around this to pull of the Jrue trade?

Was it because we picked Noel?

[MichaelMcNamara]

Question

I know the rules state that you can't trade picks in consecutive seasons. How did we work around this to pull of the Jrue trade?

Was it because we picked Noel?

You cant OWE picks in consecutive years

I think that confuses a lot of people.

[Pelicans78]

The team only drafted Noel because the Sixers wanted him. Question is which player the team would have really drafted.

[HornetGuru]

CP3
Westbrook
Curry
Parker

Pre-injury I would include Derrick Rose of course but These 4 listed are better than Jrue, but with a healthy team and Parker getting older I could see him surpassing this year. Only PG I might take over Jrue besides these 4 is John Wall, him and Jrue are around the same Lillard but I would def take Jrue over Kyrie, Lillard or Lawson.

[HornetGuru]

I still think we could have gotten Jrue for the 6th pick by itself or with maybe another cheaper asset. Top 10 draft picks are still considered valuable even in a week draft. I think Demps was betting on us making the playoffs and the pick being close to 20 which wouldn't be much help to us. Before the season I thought we were making the playoffs, even up till Ryno and Jrue got hurt I had hope. Oh well time to move on.

You just think Dell said hey we'll give u the 6th pick and throw in next year's too? No. He is a professional, i'm sure he low balled them with just the 6th pick and they said no. Who would give up a 23 year old all-star only to HOPE and PRAY that the player u pick not only doesn't bust, but also becomes the same caliber of player.

[HornetGuru]

Our trade for Holiday was a bad one. Sorry but you guys keep parroting that he's an "All Star point guard" and that makes me want to shoot myself in the head. "All Star" in a diluted Conference doesn't mean a damn thing. Know who else was an "All Star"? Big Kat Jamal Magloire.

Holiday is barely a top 15 PG when healthy.

If you can name 15 better point guards than Jrue Holiday i'll buy u a car... seriously.

[tdcreator]

You just think Dell said hey we'll give u the 6th pick and throw in next year's too? No. He is a professional, i'm sure he low balled them with just the 6th pick and they said no. Who would give up a 23 year old all-star only to HOPE and PRAY that the player u pick not only doesn't bust, but also becomes the same caliber of player.

It's been said the 76ers wanted to build through the draft. Noel, MCW, and their first this year would be a nice start. They also said as long as they had Jrue that they would always be around an 8 seed which hurts that strategy. I'm not privy to the talks but just saying what I would have given up. I would have like to have seen us build through the draft but I'm ok this way too. We just helped then along a little faster.

[HornetGuru]

It's been said the 76ers wanted to build through the draft. Noel, MCW, and their first this year would be a nice start. They also said as long as they had Jrue that they would always be around an 8 seed which hurts that strategy. I'm not privy to the talks but just saying what I would have given up. I would have like to have seen us build through the draft but I'm ok this way too. We just helped then along a little faster.

Gotcha, this is why I think it was a great move by both teams. 76ers didn't have the talent to surround Jrue but we do.

[kclaboy504]

Our trade for Holiday was a bad one. Sorry but you guys keep parroting that he's an "All Star point guard" and that makes me want to shoot myself in the head. "All Star" in a diluted Conference doesn't mean a damn thing. Know who else was an "All Star"? Big Kat Jamal Magloire.

Holiday is barely a top 15 PG when healthy.

this is just ridiculous. Please name me the 14 better pgs in the league and back it up with some facts as well.

[MichaelMcNamara]

The Pels and Sixers negotiated for a while according to Dell. If any of 3 players were on the board (Noel, Oladipo, Bennett), Philly had told Dell they would trade Jrue for that guy and a protected 1st the following yr. Dell actually worked the 42nd pick out of them and planned to make that guy our 2014 rookie all along, as he asked several guys prior to the draft if they would be willing to go overseas. Pierre was one of the guys who said that he would do it.

If those 3 were gone, Dell would have taken Burke. Hope this clears any and all confusion up.

[kclaboy504]

When do we start holding Demps accountable for all the blunders he's made? For every savvy move he's made he's either negated it one year later (trading GV and RoLo to take on a top 10 worst contract in Evans) or had 2 bad moves to offset it.

Why did he have to overpay Evans by SO MUCH? Wasn't overpaying him by $2MM a year enough to pry him away from the basketball heaven that was Sacramento? Why do you have to overpay him by $5MM a year? Makes no damn sense. Dell has no concepts of the financial and trade aspects of players IMO.

Oh youre just on a roll aint ya? This is even more ridiculous that the last one. Over paid by 5m? really?? Yea we could of got him for 6m per year. what a joke

[kclaboy504]

The Pels and Sixers negotiated for a while according to Dell. If any of 3 players were on the board (Noel, Oladipo, Bennett), Philly had told Dell they would trade Jrue for that guy and a protected 1st the following yr. Dell actually worked the 42nd pick out of them and planned to make that guy our 2014 rookie all along, as he asked several guys prior to the draft if they would be willing to go overseas. Pierre was one of the guys who said that he would do it.

If those 3 were gone, Dell would have taken Burke. Hope this clears any and all confusion up.

yea this makes complete sense. I rememeber a while back someone on here was claiming noel was our guy all along no matter if there was a trade or not. I just was not buying that. I see nothing in noel that says top 5 pick. If we would of picked him for our team I would of pulled my hair out. Of course I was on the MCW bandwagon all along but would of been happy with burke. I just love MCW length and ability to penetrate and get steals on defense. I think he would of been perfect fit for our team. He is asked to do wau too much in philly and in turn has made him do things at a high rate that he shouldn't be doing. Like shooting 3s.

[Kibner]

Or shooting at all, really.

[tdcreator]

I wanted McLemore. He'd have been behind Gordon and getting 2nd team reps and hopefully when Gordon left he'd take over. This years pick would have been Gordon or Saric to play the 3.

[Mythrol]

I wanted McLemore. He'd have been behind Gordon and getting 2nd team reps and hopefully when Gordon left he'd take over. This years pick would have been Gordon or Saric to play the 3.

We kinda already had the guy behind Gordon in Rivers.

[Pelicans78]

The PGs who I think are clearly better than Jrue at this point:

Paul
Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Lillard
Dragic
Conley
Lowry (based on advanced stats)

After that, you have a debate with these guys

Wall
Irving
D-Williams

Jrue is still young and has a lot of upside, but he's been average overall when it comes to his efficiency. Turnovers and poor shot selection really hurt him from being the type of player he can be. If he doesn't improve on those things then he won't come close to living up to his contract.

[da ThRONe]

The PGs who I think are clearly better than Jrue at this point:

Paul
Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Lillard
Dragic
Conley
Lowry (based on advanced stats)

After that, you have a debate with these guys

Wall
Irving
D-Williams

Jrue is still young and has a lot of upside, but he's been average overall when it comes to his efficiency. Turnovers and poor shot selection really hurt him from being the type of player he can be. If he doesn't improve on those things then he won't come close to living up to his contract.

I like this list. I think Conley and Lowry are two guys really undervalued at their position. Also it illustrates just how many quality PG's that's in the league right now.

[MichaelMcNamara]

I remember, after I saw Holiday and Conley going head to head, that Holiday was far better and obviously was younger and had more upside. I thought he embarressed Kyrie too and D-Will is a name at this point, not an elite PG anymore. In fact, he has a worse contract than Gordon IMO.

Wall is a debate and so is Lowry, but a big part of the debate is Holiday's price tag, is it not. Now, look at that list, including what Lowry is projected to get and Lillards next contract. Dragic and Curry are fantastic bargains, but Holiday is too. I mean, Wall vs. Holiday is a debate, but Wall is making close to 12 mil more than Holiday over the next 3 years. I would say that is a good tiebreaker.

When you combine value and production, I got him in the top 8.

[nolaslim213]

The tie breaker for me is Jrue's defense. He is a fiend on the ball, and he plays great team defense. He sets the tone up front, and that can make a world of difference. Monty pointed it out how much opposing ball handlers were getting into the paint after Jrue went down.

Offensively he is great off the ball, which is what we want with guys like Davis, Evans, and Rivers on the team. He doesn't need the ball to be effective, and we need more guys like that on this team. He is a perfect fit for our system.

[bradael]

The Pels and Sixers negotiated for a while according to Dell. If any of 3 players were on the board (Noel, Oladipo, Bennett), Philly had told Dell they would trade Jrue for that guy and a protected 1st the following yr. Dell actually worked the 42nd pick out of them and planned to make that guy our 2014 rookie all along, as he asked several guys prior to the draft if they would be willing to go overseas. Pierre was one of the guys who said that he would do it.

If those 3 were gone, Dell would have taken Burke. Hope this clears any and all confusion up.

I imagine if those 3 were gone, then Otto Porter or Alex Len would have been there and that's who we would have taken. Although it does sound like if the trade wasn't in place, then everything else being equal... Burke would have been the pick.

I remember, after I saw Holiday and Conley going head to head, that Holiday was far better and obviously was younger and had more upside. I thought he embarressed Kyrie too and D-Will is a name at this point, not an elite PG anymore. In fact, he has a worse contract than Gordon IMO.

Holiday's stats head to head vs Chris Paul are pretty bad, although his one game vs Paul as a Pelican, he probably outplayed him but it was close. His head to head stats vs both Curry and Lillard are about even.

[UNO Gracias]

See if I am making a list of top players, salary doesn't enter into the equation. I didn't realize that is how lists were made. If that's the case throw every guy outperforming his (rookie) contract on that list because those are your top value players.

Right now I would put Jrue in the 2nd tier, Alfred the butler catagory (not Batman, not Robin, but he can protect the house). I look forward to watching him grow with us.