Official Fire Monty Thread

[ShamelessPel]

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...tys-rotations/

You lost me at Brian Roberts getting 35 minutes and Austin getting 13.

What? There is very little sustainable evidence that the team is better with Roberts on the floor. Over the course of the season it's actually proven quite the opposite.

I'm going to assume that you mixed up the names Brian Roberts and Austin Rivers in your story.

[yankeesman77]

I've refrained myself from posting in this thread because I know many of the thankless posts are directly a result of losses such as the one we saw tonight, last night and since Jrue and Ryno went down. I know for most of you that it won't matter a lick of difference but I feel like the majority of these sudden cry baby reactionary posts are just calling for the guys head without actually understanding what the man has to do on a daily basis.

The fact is that once Ryno and Jrue went down that our season was as dead as it came in. It's not about having a philosophy of being stuck in the 90s and wanting to play hard nosed basketball as some like to assume. When you look at Monty's track record, what kind of history/turnover/turmoil has he had to deal with? Since he came in, he had to deal with a superstar wanting to leave town and another that wasn't going to return because of ownership and team stability in flux. A completely different roster later and the building pieces in flux that he had to deal with such a crap return in order to really get Anthony Davis to come here in to New Orleans whether we like it or not.

Benson buys the team and wants to build a winner but trusts Dell and Monty's guidance in place. Dell signs Tyreke to be the Manu of our squad with a healthy Eric Gordon. Gordon and Tyreke for a full 48 is tough for any team to cover. A broken system and you require them to do too much. So you have a revolving door at the Point Guard position. Is that Monty's fault? Jrue gets acquired and we all wine and complain when we get Brian Roberts who plays and shoots like a shooting guard as our primary ball handler while Jrue is out? I ask the question again, is this Monty's fault for going with a guy he trusts than one who wants to over perform in Austin? The same Austin who is a work in progress and that progress takes time.

I also see that when you look at the front court. Worst in the league, Davis can't do everything even right now at his tender age of 20! Is Davis supposed to defend the 4 and 5 by himself even with nobody else around him to make the rotations because they are too slow and only foul? Ajinca and Steimer are our only options right now because they have been in the NBA for more than a year and a half. Once again, he is just using what's given to him because the regular parts we have at our disposable are less than adequate who would not be seeing a majority of court time had the regular parts been healthy.

This is a lost season. Nobody wanted Gordon at the trade deadline and the sooner we can get to Dells game in July and then the start of next season with a healthy squad and a fresh outlook with a fresh optimistic look, will it still be Monty's fault then?

If you were the coach? Would we make the same thread about you just 45 pages in by now on this overly reactive crybaby posts. I just hope you don't lose your job too.

[ShamelessPel]

@yankeesman77

Excuses. All it is and all it will ever be with Monty. Why people keep defending him with excuses is beyond me. It's not like he's shown he can manage a game.

Excuses.

[Adam the Legend]

I've been reluctant to cast judgement on Monty with all of the injuries we've sustained this season, largely because I think he is a wonderful man and a great leader of young men. Having said that, I now believe there is enough evidence out there to clearly show a coaching change needs to be made. Monty simply cannot or will not make the necessary in game adjustments for us to ever be a contending team, which we will be soon with the right man in charge. I guess you can add me to the Fire Monty chorus too.

[HalfBreed]

@yankeesman77 have you watched any games this year or the years before? Monty never been a good head coach and Chris Paul covered up all his flaws.

[da ThRONe]

I've refrained myself from posting in this thread because I know many of the thankless posts are directly a result of losses such as the one we saw tonight, last night and since Jrue and Ryno went down. I know for most of you that it won't matter a lick of difference but I feel like the majority of these sudden cry baby reactionary posts are just calling for the guys head without actually understanding what the man has to do on a daily basis.

The fact is that once Ryno and Jrue went down that our season was as dead as it came in. It's not about having a philosophy of being stuck in the 90s and wanting to play hard nosed basketball as some like to assume. When you look at Monty's track record, what kind of history/turnover/turmoil has he had to deal with? Since he came in, he had to deal with a superstar wanting to leave town and another that wasn't going to return because of ownership and team stability in flux. A completely different roster later and the building pieces in flux that he had to deal with such a crap return in order to really get Anthony Davis to come here in to New Orleans whether we like it or not.

Benson buys the team and wants to build a winner but trusts Dell and Monty's guidance in place. Dell signs Tyreke to be the Manu of our squad with a healthy Eric Gordon. Gordon and Tyreke for a full 48 is tough for any team to cover. A broken system and you require them to do too much. So you have a revolving door at the Point Guard position. Is that Monty's fault? Jrue gets acquired and we all wine and complain when we get Brian Roberts who plays and shoots like a shooting guard as our primary ball handler while Jrue is out? I ask the question again, is this Monty's fault for going with a guy he trusts than one who wants to over perform in Austin? The same Austin who is a work in progress and that progress takes time.

I also see that when you look at the front court. Worst in the league, Davis can't do everything even right now at his tender age of 20! Is Davis supposed to defend the 4 and 5 by himself even with nobody else around him to make the rotations because they are too slow and only foul? Ajinca and Steimer are our only options right now because they have been in the NBA for more than a year and a half. Once again, he is just using what's given to him because the regular parts we have at our disposable are less than adequate who would not be seeing a majority of court time had the regular parts been healthy.

This is a lost season. Nobody wanted Gordon at the trade deadline and the sooner we can get to Dells game in July and then the start of next season with a healthy squad and a fresh outlook with a fresh optimistic look, will it still be Monty's fault then?

If you were the coach? Would we make the same thread about you just 45 pages in by now on this overly reactive crybaby posts. I just hope you don't lose your job too.

While this certainly is a big part of the teams struggles. People are pin pointing decisions about plays called, rotations, and scheme. We will never be insiders therefore we only know a faction of what happening based solely off of what we see on court results. While this may seem 'unfair' at the end of the day it's the on court result that only matter.

[RaisingTheBar]

We have now lost 3 straight games to below 500 teams right?

[DroopyDawg]

We have now lost 3 straight games to below 500 teams right?

Yeah... but aside from the Knicks (I'd argue that they have a better team than we do with all of our injuries) the other 2 teams have a better record than we do.

Not sure where you were going with this one but yeah... all 3 teams are under .500.

[RaisingTheBar]

Not sure why you thought I was going anywhere with it? Just stating a fact.

[DroopyDawg]

Not sure why you thought I was going anywhere with it? Just stating a fact.

So did I. But what was the point of your fact?

[donato]

Yeah... but aside from the Knicks (I'd argue that they have a better team than we do with all of our injuries) the other 2 teams have a better record than we do.

Not by much, and they're in the East*

[RaisingTheBar]

So did I. But what was the point of your fact?

That's not good?

[DroopyDawg]

That's not good?

Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

lol is the season over yet?

[MichaelMcNamara]

I've refrained myself from posting in this thread because I know many of the thankless posts are directly a result of losses such as the one we saw tonight, last night and since Jrue and Ryno went down. I know for most of you that it won't matter a lick of difference but I feel like the majority of these sudden cry baby reactionary posts are just calling for the guys head without actually understanding what the man has to do on a daily basis.

The fact is that once Ryno and Jrue went down that our season was as dead as it came in. It's not about having a philosophy of being stuck in the 90s and wanting to play hard nosed basketball as some like to assume. When you look at Monty's track record, what kind of history/turnover/turmoil has he had to deal with? Since he came in, he had to deal with a superstar wanting to leave town and another that wasn't going to return because of ownership and team stability in flux. A completely different roster later and the building pieces in flux that he had to deal with such a crap return in order to really get Anthony Davis to come here in to New Orleans whether we like it or not.

Benson buys the team and wants to build a winner but trusts Dell and Monty's guidance in place. Dell signs Tyreke to be the Manu of our squad with a healthy Eric Gordon. Gordon and Tyreke for a full 48 is tough for any team to cover. A broken system and you require them to do too much. So you have a revolving door at the Point Guard position. Is that Monty's fault? Jrue gets acquired and we all wine and complain when we get Brian Roberts who plays and shoots like a shooting guard as our primary ball handler while Jrue is out? I ask the question again, is this Monty's fault for going with a guy he trusts than one who wants to over perform in Austin? The same Austin who is a work in progress and that progress takes time.

I also see that when you look at the front court. Worst in the league, Davis can't do everything even right now at his tender age of 20! Is Davis supposed to defend the 4 and 5 by himself even with nobody else around him to make the rotations because they are too slow and only foul? Ajinca and Steimer are our only options right now because they have been in the NBA for more than a year and a half. Once again, he is just using what's given to him because the regular parts we have at our disposable are less than adequate who would not be seeing a majority of court time had the regular parts been healthy.

This is a lost season. Nobody wanted Gordon at the trade deadline and the sooner we can get to Dells game in July and then the start of next season with a healthy squad and a fresh outlook with a fresh optimistic look, will it still be Monty's fault then?

If you were the coach? Would we make the same thread about you just 45 pages in by now on this overly reactive crybaby posts. I just hope you don't lose your job too.

You are talking about wins and losses, and as I have always said - I don't judge people by that because that is outside of your control. I am judging Monty on his process and his philosophies, then projecting those things forward with a healthy roster. I do not believe he and Dell are on the same page, and I no longer believe Monty can move beyond his stubborn 1990's philosophies.

I have doubted him for two years now, but have tried to remain patient and give him the benefit of the doubt, but the fact is that Dell is not building a roster to Monty's philosophical strengths. Monty would be great coaching the Grizzlies or maybe even Indiana, but Dell does not appear to be building a roster like that.

I do not believe Monty is a bad coach, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did a great job on his second go around, but he is not right for this particular roster.

[504ByrdGang]

Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

lol is the season over yet?

[DroopyDawg]

Yeah lol Dave a fool

[RaisingTheBar]

Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

lol is the season over yet?

Pretty much yes.

[JJackisangry]

When Monty goes before the court, he better plead tanksanity. I remember we had a similar situation where Monty left Aminu on the bench in favor of Morrow, and Morrow fouled a 3 point shooter. Unless he is tanking, I don't see where he gathers his logic from.

[TheDawg26]

You are talking about wins and losses, and as I have always said - I don't judge people by that because that is outside of your control. I am judging Monty on his process and his philosophies, then projecting those things forward with a healthy roster. I do not believe he and Dell are on the same page, and I no longer believe Monty can move beyond his stubborn 1990's philosophies.

I have doubted him for two years now, but have tried to remain patient and give him the benefit of the doubt, but the fact is that Dell is not building a roster to Monty's philosophical strengths. Monty would be great coaching the Grizzlies or maybe even Indiana, but Dell does not appear to be building a roster like that.

I do not believe Monty is a bad coach, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did a great job on his second go around, but he is not right for this particular roster.

Yeah that's pretty much my point about how Dell built a team that doesn't fit Monty's "scheme." Last offseason Demps added more players with big contracts that excel in fast break open court players in Jrue(who can run the fast break offense) and Evans (who was most successful in fast break buckets) to go along with Gordon and AD who I think is better at running the floor. That's the main reason why I think a change needs to be made to get a coach who can put the players brought in with big contracts to be productive.

Monty, on the other hand, is not a good head coach. Maybe assistant, but he struggles in making in game adjustments and does not do well with rotations. He tries to make average bench players into one of the focal points of the offense like Brian Roberts and Willie Green before him.

[FlyGirl]

Yeah that's pretty much my point about how Dell built a team that doesn't fit Monty's "scheme." Last offseason Demps added more players with big contracts that excel in fast break open court players in Jrue(who can run the fast break offense) and Evans (who was most successful in fast break buckets) to go along with Gordon and AD who I think is better at running the floor. That's the main reason why I think a change needs to be made to get a coach who can put the players brought in with big contracts to be productive.

Monty, on the other hand, is not a good head coach. Maybe assistant, but he struggles in making in game adjustments and does not do well with rotations. He tries to make average bench players into one of the focal points of the offense like Brian Roberts and Willie Green before him.

Actually Monty wanted Evans to go along with Anderson and Smith, both of whom are out with injuries.

[da ThRONe]

Yeah that's pretty much my point about how Dell built a team that doesn't fit Monty's "scheme." Last offseason Demps added more players with big contracts that excel in fast break open court players in Jrue(who can run the fast break offense) and Evans (who was most successful in fast break buckets) to go along with Gordon and AD who I think is better at running the floor. That's the main reason why I think a change needs to be made to get a coach who can put the players brought in with big contracts to be productive.

Monty, on the other hand, is not a good head coach. Maybe assistant, but he struggles in making in game adjustments and does not do well with rotations. He tries to make average bench players into one of the focal points of the offense like Brian Roberts and Willie Green before him.

IMO this falls on Demps more than Williams. Why would you acquire player that don't fit your coaches style and keep the coach? Makes no sense.

[FlyGirl]

Didn't you all know? They're really building this team for the coach of your choice. Benson will just have to eat Monty's salary or see if the new coach wants to keep Monty on as an assistant so he can at least be paying him for something.

[Pelicans78]

I think Dell and Monty should be tied to the hip. If Monty goes, then Dell should as well. I haven't been impressed with him either.

[takezor]

Monty needs to be fired as soon as this summer. This guy is pure garbage. His lovefest for Roberts is scaling to unimagined limits. All the blame for the Washington lose goes to this retarded coach once again.

[Pelicans78]

Demps hasn't proven to be any better. If one goes, the other should too.