It was fun while it lasted for Jimmer...

I love the Jimmer fans on ESPN complaining that Rivers sucks and isn't passing to Jimmer as Rivers goes 5-8.

i can't believe Monty is letting Jimmer play. I knew he was a bad coach.

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Originally Posted by GeauxSaints53

I love the Jimmer fans on ESPN complaining that Rivers sucks and isn't passing to Jimmer as Rivers goes 5-8.

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As long as they stay there that's a win for us.

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Originally Posted by Mr Miyagi

What a great audience

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Sweep the leg!

We are now 2-0 when Jimmer gets more than 4 minuets.

Keep it up boys!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We are now 2-0 when Jimmer gets more than 4 minuets.

Keep it up boys!

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Honestly, I think there's something to this. Let's forget about Jimmer for a second.

More minutes for Jimmer= less minutes for Gordon. Less minutes for Gordon= increased chance of success.

14 minutes.... ZERO SHOTS!!!!! sorry, but hes not even trying to shoot at this point, that off night in game one rattled him a bit i think, and i know that even though shooters have to shoot to get out of a slump, he hasnt even begun to try to shoot out of it. he had looks tonight, and couldve done more to get better ones... hes not playing with confidence right now, even gordons trying to shoot his way out of his terrible start... jimmer should maybe try this???

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Originally Posted by GeauxSaints53

I love the Jimmer fans on ESPN complaining that Rivers sucks and isn't passing to Jimmer as Rivers goes 5-8.

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I actually agree that Rivers is doing a disservice by ignoring Jimmer on offense. The guy can shoot. And with a team like the Spurs coming up who can light you up from three, it would do us well to try and improve those 3PA's and that 3p%. Plus, as I said in the gameday thread, having both Ryno and Jimmer keeping defenses honest will only help out Rivers inside attacking.

Right now our bench play is pretty predictable. Either a Rivers attack or shot or a Ryno shot or post attack. Everyone else just seems to stand around.

I stayed at the game til the start of the 3rd. Jimmer had open looks but his teammates didn't pass him the ball. I imagine that at some point his teammates will find him and he will get more shots.

One thing you can't deny, Monty will pull a guy if he is playing bad defense, and Jimmer has two games of 16 min.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans25_ZERO

14 minutes.... ZERO SHOTS!!!!! sorry, but hes not even trying to shoot at this point, that off night in game one rattled him a bit i think, and i know that even though shooters have to shoot to get out of a slump, he hasnt even begun to try to shoot out of it. he had looks tonight, and couldve done more to get better ones... hes not playing with confidence right now, even gordons trying to shoot his way out of his terrible start... jimmer should maybe try this???

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I stayed at the game til the start of the 3rd. Jimmer had open looks but his teammates didn't pass him the ball. I imagine that at some point his teammates will find him and he will get more shots.

One thing you can't deny, Monty will pull a guy if he is playing bad defense, and Jimmer has two games of 16 min.

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i think jimmer will sit around 10-14 min per game this year when all said and done, we added him for a reason.. he'll play, and yes, if he were getting blown by every play, hed be on the bench, his low minute games have been about matchups more than anything, on most nights jimmer sees 12-15 min, should be taking 3-5 shots, mostly 3's... i want to see this... and im no jimmer fan or hater for that matter, i just want him to contribute in the way we envisioned him contributing...

Yeah, I am neither here nor there on Jimmer, but if he is to be Morrow it would be nice for his teammates to see him as such. But until he gets shots to fall, he is just some guy Monty is burning minuets on.

Wish we still had Morrow, he would be better than Gordon in our starting 5.

I still haven't seen the terrible D from Jimmer that was talked about, although he's mostly playing against backups

Jimmer is not going to contribute too much if it all.


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I'm really disappointed that we got him and Salmons.... Waste of money.


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Damn Jimmer fans crack me up

So.....how many shots has the best shooter of the galaxy hit for us thus far?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We are now 2-0 when Jimmer gets more than 4 minuets.

Keep it up boys!

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We're also 2-0 whenever Jimmer has a foul and doesn't make a field goal. Keep that in mind as well.

I hope he does well since he is on our team. It will only make us better. I think he will help us once he gets used to our style of offense. We are a bit too individual, which is why we lose to the better teams.

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Originally Posted by Asteptooslow

I hope he does well since he is on our team. It will only make us better. I think he will help us once he gets used to our style of offense. We are a bit too individual, which is why we lose to the better teams.

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Which will only improve over time. I actually think last night was our least 'individual game", we had a season high in assists and I thought the ball moved around OK. There were a couple of times Evans should have passed on fast breaks but other than that I thought we played good team ball for the most past.

Right now we aren't better than Dallas or Memphis, I see that changing by the end of the year. But right now we are better than Orlando and Charlotte, those are the teams you have to beat consistently. If we can keep winning the games we are supposed to, come Jan/Feb when I imagine we will be at our best, we will start to beat the Dallas' and the Memphis'. Last year we did not beat the Orlando's or the Charlotte's consistently, you can blame it on the injuries and that's fine, I'm just saying.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Which will only improve over time. I actually think last night was our least 'individual game", we had a season high in assists and I thought the ball moved around OK. There were a couple of times Evans should have passed on fast breaks but other than that I thought we played good team ball for the most past.

Right now we aren't better than Dallas or Memphis, I see that changing by the end of the year. But right now we are better than Orlando and Charlotte, those are the teams you have to beat consistently. If we can keep winning the games we are supposed to, come Jan/Feb when I imagine we will be at our best, we will start to beat the Dallas' and the Memphis'. Last year we did not beat the Orlando's or the Charlotte's consistently, you can blame it on the injuries and that's fine, I'm just saying.

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We overmatched those teams physically IMO as much as good basketball. It is no doubt a step in the right direction and if you win the games like these it makes that incremental improvement against the best all the easier. You must beat the teams that aren't as good as you. We seem a little close on some of our pick and roll offense. Rivers did a good job negotiating it against this team.

I said it after game 2. I think Jimmer didn't take a shot last night in large part because he doesn't want another DNP if he happens to miss a couple. Monty ruined his confidence by benching him after his bad shooting on opening night. Now Jimmer's looking over at Monty every time he catches the ball.

Like I said, if you show a player you have no trust in them by putting them on the bench after a mistake or two, you do more long term damage than you might think.

Also, as a coach you need to get your team practicing plays to look for Jimmer on the perimeter. Last night, nobody acted like Jimmer existed on offense. If there's one thing Jimmer can do, it's score on offense, yet nobody is giving him that chance. Yes, he'll be a wasted trade if he's not utilized as a shooter.

That being said, Jimmer has been better than average on defense in his showings. He's picked up a couple fouls, but I like to see that. He's being aggressive and attacking guys on the perimeter instead of waiting for someone to blow by him.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

I said it after game 2. I think Jimmer didn't take a shot last night in large part because he doesn't want another DNP if he happens to miss a couple. Monty ruined his confidence by benching him after his bad shooting on opening night. Now Jimmer's looking over at Monty every time he catches the ball.

Like I said, if you show a player you have no trust in them by putting them on the bench after a mistake or two, you do more long term damage than you might think.

Also, as a coach you need to get your team practicing plays to look for Jimmer on the perimeter. Last night, nobody acted like Jimmer existed on offense. If there's one thing Jimmer can do, it's score on offense, yet nobody is giving him that chance. Yes, he'll be a wasted trade if he's not utilized as a shooter.

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He was a FA signing, not a trade. If a veteran player loses his confidence that quickly, he does not need to be in the NBA. The team as a whole has an issue right now with ball movement and getting some players involved. It is early yet, he may work himself into a role.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

I said it after game 2. I think Jimmer didn't take a shot last night in large part because he doesn't want another DNP if he happens to miss a couple. Monty ruined his confidence by benching him after his bad shooting on opening night. Now Jimmer's looking over at Monty every time he catches the ball.

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I was going to say ridiculous, but instead I'll just say this is wrong. If a shooter's confidence can be ruined after 1 game then he shouldn't be in the NBA. Ryno shot 2-14 against Memphis, the next day he shot 7-12. You know why, because he's not a little ***** and his confidence doesn't get ruined.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

Like I said, if you show a player you have no trust in them by putting them on the bench after a mistake or two, you do more long term damage than you might think.

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This isn't ballet, this is a grown man's game.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

Also, as a coach you need to get your team practicing plays to look for Jimmer on the perimeter. Last night, nobody acted like Jimmer existed on offense. If there's one thing Jimmer can do, it's score on offense, yet nobody is giving him that chance. Yes, he'll be a wasted trade if he's not utilized as a shooter.

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I'm sorry but any coach who practices plays to only look for their 8th or 9th option then they are dumb. If Jimmer get's open and better options are not avaialbe on a play, the ball will find Jimmer. Stop this madness please.

I was at that game last night. Jimmer didn't take shots because his teammates didn't see him. He was open but they didn't see him.

As the season goes on he will get more play.

Think of Morrow last year, it took half the team being injured before he got any play, and when he finally did he was solid. I think the same will happen for Jymer, only Joomer is getting more play early than Morrow did. Maybe Monthy sees Jermer filling a bigger role than Morew.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I was going to say ridiculous, but instead I'll just say this is wrong. If a shooter's confidence can be ruined after 1 game then he shouldn't be in the NBA. Ryno shot 2-14 against Memphis, the next day he shot 7-12. You know why, because he's not a little ***** and his confidence doesn't get ruined.



This isn't ballet, this is a grown man's game.



I'm sorry but any coach who practices plays to only look for their 8th or 9th option then they are dumb. If Jimmer get's open and better options are not avaialbe on a play, the ball will find Jimmer. Stop this madness please.

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Ryno didn't get benched after going 2 for 14 either did he? Neither did Gordon after laying eggs in 4 games now. Neither did Rivers after 3 poor showings. That's the difference.

And he was open, plenty of times last night, but he didn't get the ball. Either players aren't seeing him, or they aren't being coached to look for him.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He was a FA signing, not a trade. If a veteran player loses his confidence that quickly, he does not need to be in the NBA. The team as a whole has an issue right now with ball movement and getting some players involved. It is early yet, he may work himself into a role.

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Trade, signing, whatever dude.

When your coach is ready to sit you down after a few missed shots (shots that were good looks, mind you), who wouldn't feel hesitant to keep shooting?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I was at that game last night. Jimmer didn't take shots because his teammates didn't see him. He was open but they didn't see him.

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True in most cases, but he did have the ball a couple times in the 3rd and passed it off pretty fast.

I don't think Monty sat him down because of his shooting, it's still early days and he is working out his rotations. If Monty wanted to freak Jimmer out he would give him the Marcus Thornton treatment. That's the one amazing thing. MT didn't play defense, and Monty stresses defense so he benched MT. The biggest knock on Jimmer coming here was that he couldn't play defense, yet he has gotten almost 10 min a game (avg).

Jim ors shot will fall, and when it does he will get more minuets. If anything, the way Munthy is treating Jibed is confidence building. He isn't playing the role of the Sandman at the Apallo on a bad act. He is encouraging him to go on.

He passed the ball off when he had shots. That's not a lack of confidence in his shot, that's an awareness of seeing the open guy. A few of those times he passed the ball off he should have had assists, but the guys didn't finish the shots. If anything he is setting an example for others.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

He passed the ball off when he had shots. That's not a lack of confidence in his shot, that's an awareness of seeing the open guy. A few of those times he passed the ball off he should have had assists, but the guys didn't finish the shots. If anything he is setting an example for others.

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That's what you believe. I believe he passed the ball off because he didn't want to get benched again for missing. I've watched him play almost every game since his rookie season, he's experienced this before. Coaches screwing him over for minor mistakes, while other guys practically get away with murder on the court.

And, yeah, Jimmer's a very unselfish and humble player, he's been that way since day 1 in the NBA. He doesn't play selfish hero ball like Tyreke. He tries to be a good team player, everything you're supposed to be to be a good basketball player. But then he still gets benched regardless. So when you're trying to do everything right, greatly improving your defense, playing team ball, and you still find yourself getting pulled after 3 min (for a crap player like Gordon), or getting hit with DNPs, you start questioning yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Monty let him play last night. I just hope he gets consistency and a fair shake like the other players who are trying to get through rough patches like Gordon and Rivers. Rivers got that confidence from Monty and he was able to put together a very good game last night.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

Ryno didn't get benched after going 2 for 14 either did he? Neither did Gordon after laying eggs in 4 games now. Neither did Rivers after 3 poor showings. That's the difference.

And he was open, plenty of times last night, but he didn't get the ball. Either players aren't seeing him, or they aren't being coached to look for him.

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Ryno didn't get benched because he's done 10 times more in the NBA than Jimmer has and and shown he bounces back. He's earned it. Also if you paid attention you would have noticed that actually Gordon's minutes were cut a bit and given to Rivers, who proved that he deserved them.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Ryno didn't get benched because he's done 10 times more in the NBA than Jimmer has and and shown he bounces back. He's earned it. Also if you paid attention you would have noticed that actually Gordon's minutes were cut a bit and given to Rivers, who proved that he deserved them.

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And that's why Ryno has the confidence to go out and shoot great after a bad game, because he knows the coach won't pull him from the game when he makes mistakes.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And Rivers proved he deserved them? LOL. Rivers didn't get Gordon's minutes because of anything Rivers did, he got *some* of Gordon's minutes because Gordon wouldn't make it on a high school squad.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

I believe he passed the ball off because he didn't want to get benched again for missing.

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If this is true then he doesn't have mentally what it takes to be in the NBA.

How is he not getting a fair shake man? Seriously, the team is still gelling, and they aren't even passing to guys they are familiar with, let alone a new guy.

Give it a month before you say he isn't getting a fair shake with Manty. Monty has played white unathletic guys, and black guys with low bbiq's. Jimmer will get his, so can you please show some patience. Your making the rest of us (who want to see the Pelicans AND Jimmer do well) look retarded.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

And that's why Ryno has the confidence to go out and shoot great after a bad game, because he knows the coach won't pull him from the game when he makes mistakes.

Why is this so hard to understand?

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Why is it so hard to understand that your 8th, 9th or 10th player isn't going to get plays drawn up for them. Or that possibly, just maybe, every single coach in the NBA isn't out to ruin Jimmer's career. Or that maybe an NBA player shouldn't lose confidence after getting "benched" 1 game.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

If this is true then he doesn't have mentally what it takes to be in the NBA.

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Except he's still in the NBA. 4 years and counting. Guess he does have something...

By the way, where did you play?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

How is he not getting a fair shake man?

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I explained that above, please re-read.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Give it a month before you say he isn't getting a fair shake with Manty. Monty has played white unathletic guys, and black guys with low bbiq's. Jimmer will get his, so can you please show some patience. Your making the rest of us (who want to see the Pelicans AND Jimmer do well) look retarded.

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Oh I'd love to give it a month. Monty's given Jimmer 2 out of 4 days so far though. If Jimmer plays through 30 games with at least 10 min a night and is still sucking rocks, then I'll agree he hasn't got it. That's all I'm asking for, a consistent chance. A real, legit chance with no BS DNPs or mystery benchings.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

Except he's still in the NBA. 4 years and counting. Guess he does have something...

By the way, where did you play?

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Earning a minimum contract...John Salmons is making more, what does that say?

I played HS basketball and some scout team in college, nothing special. I didn't think you had to be a professional to analyze and break down a game or a player. I'm guessing you won a championship with the Spurs or something? How are you related to Jimmer again?

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Why is it so hard to understand that your 8th, 9th or 10th player isn't going to get plays drawn up for them. Or that possibly, just maybe, every single coach in the NBA isn't out to ruin Jimmer's career. Or that maybe an NBA player shouldn't lose confidence after getting "benched" 1 game.

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I don't know a single team that doesn't have plays drawn up for their best shooter (and yes, Jimmer's a better career shooter than Ryno), regardless of where they sit in the rotation. Every great team has a shooter play that is used often and liberally used during games.

If Monty's the kind of coach that doesn't believe in drawing up plays for his best shooter(s), then perhaps he's not mentally fit for the NBA.

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Earning a minimum contract...John Salmons is making more, what does that say?

I played HS basketball and some scout team in college, nothing special. I didn't think you had to be a professional to analyze and break down a game or a player. I'm guessing you won a championship with the Spurs or something? How are you related to Jimmer again?

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So you didn't have mentally what it took to be in the NBA then? Gotcha.

Doesn't that tell you something if the best shooter on the team is at the bottom of the bench.

Those are not legit excuses for "not getting a fair shake." Jimmer wasn't brought in here to be Steph Curry. He was brought in to be Anthony Morrow. Anthony Morrow was a bench guy. No coach is going to take this part of the season to force a bench guy into being a Manu type bench player. Stop trying to say he isn't getting a fair shake because he isn't getting more minuets. Over his career he hasn't proved anything with what he was give, and now he is in a stable environment where he can be NBA ready the right way.

Jimmer's minuets will come, but Monty needs to set his rotations and Jimmer needs to learn how to play in the NBA.

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So you didn't have mentally what it took to be in the NBA then? Gotcha.

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Probably not but more importantly I didn't have the talent, just like you and 99.99% of the individuals that post on here. But if I were in the NBA, was a 4 year vet and lost my confidence after a bench player gets benched then yes I would not have a tough enough mentality to be in the NBA. What are you trying to prove? That all of us here couldn't be in the NBA. WOW you are a real smart guy, really went out on a limb there.

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Those are not legit excuses for "not getting a fair shake." Jimmer wasn't brought in here to be Steph Curry. He was brought in to be Anthony Morrow. Anthony Morrow was a bench guy. No coach is going to take this part of the season to force a bench guy into being a Manu type bench player. Stop trying to say he isn't getting a fair shake because he isn't getting more minuets. Over his career he hasn't proved anything with what he was give, and now he is in a stable environment where he can be NBA ready the right way.

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They are perfectly legit reasons. And nobody is saying Jimmer was brought here to be Steph Curry or Manu. OMG, why must this always descend into hyperbole? Nobody's saying Jimmer's the next god of the NBA or going to replace Davis or anything. We're just asking for him to be given a shot - as I said: 30 consistent games with 10 min or more a night. If he gets that and fails, I'm outta here. I'll shut-up and you'll never hear from me again. That's all Jimmer fans have ever asked for.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Jimmer's minuets will come, but Monty needs to set his rotations. Til then go get upset at Dave Rose for not helping Jimmer polish his game more.

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Great. Awesome. I hope you're right. In the meantime, I'll be discussing it on these forums.

It's almost starting to move past "hilarious" and more towards "uncomfortable". As in, if this were to keep progressing and somone close to Fredette were to see it, I could legitimately see a restraining order being filed for.

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as I said: 30 consistent games with 10 min or more a night. If he gets that and fails, I'm outta here. I'll shut-up and you'll never hear from me again. That's all Jimmer fans have ever asked for.

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He's not going to get that. After 30 games he may average around 10 minutes per game, but the fact is there are going to be games where it doesn't work matchup wise and he is going to play your 4 garbage minutes that you will complain about. I just think all the people that aren't just Jimmer fans, want the just Jimmer fans to wait a little bit and see how his playing time and opportunists look after we have been going after it for a couple of months. We have played 4 games of the season, in the NFL that would still be too early to get upset, we still have 78 games left to play. It's not like we are just going to cut Jimmer after 30 games.

Jimmer fans, what the hell is a Jimmer fan? Do you support Ralph Nader, drink tab, and sport Z Cavvarichi jeans?

Be a fan of a team. If you are going about this as a fan of one guy you will lose focus of the things taking place around him, and in doing so, you will fail to see why things are happening to 1 guy.

It's not hard to understand, we are a young team. We had a lot of injuries last year. In the course of that last year we weren't able to have key guys play together and build chemistry. This offseason we lost one of our bench guys, but he was a bench player. We brought in what we all hope is his replacement. Now that the year has started we have to get our key players to play like a cohesive unit. In the process of that (and in the large amount of time that will take up) our coach has to figure out how he wants to rotate players while still giving our key guys major minuets. This is not so that we can be a .500 team, as if we don't make the playoffs or see some major improvements our coach will get canned.

In all of this **** storm do your really think he has time to not give a guy a fair shake? The guy is neck deep in his own problems that he doesn't have time to have an ax to grind with a player.

I feel like Jimmers minutes will come and I am certain that he will have games where he lights it up on the offensive end. His team mates didn't really seem to be looking for him all the much last night. I suspect that will come with time on the court and a few of those nights when he lights it up.

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I feel like Jimmers minutes will come and I am certain that he will have games where he lights it up on the offensive end. His team mates didn't really seem to be looking for him all the much last night. I suspect that will come with time on the court and a few of those nights when he lights it up.

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That's inevitable.

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