Draft Prospects Discussion

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

If we get the 1st pick and Lakers get the 4th pick, Philly get the 3rd. Do we trade back with Philly for the 3rd and 4th or take Simmons?
I know what I would do... just gauging how big of a drop off is expected after pick 2.

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HECK no, I would not trade the 2nd pick for the 3rd and 4th. Simmons and Ingram are another level above everyone else. Now if we had the 1st pick and someone offered the 2nd and 3rd for it I'd do it and grab Ingram and Hield.

First I doubt they would give the 3rd and 4th pick but you never know. Second the only player I want is Simmons, everyone else I can take em or leave em, so I keep the pick and take Simmons. Now 2, I would think about trading down (barring Ingram going 1st) but have to be really really good to pass on Ingram. I think teams would get in a bidding war for the 2 spot so could make it interesting. 3rd pick I don't think you get near the trade value unless a team falls in love with someone and has picks to throw away (cough cough Boston).

You would be absolutely crazy to trade the 2nd pick to move back for a couple picks. We need a super star and Ingram is the perfect fit. How can you trade the chance at getting a 6'10 2 way stud at the biggest position of need on your team for years? Sure it's possible you land 2 stars but you have a way better chance taking a talent like Ingram. The kid is way under rated around here by some and it just says to me you have watched very little of him. He is arguably a better fit then Simmons but it's just hard to pass up on what Simmons could be with a shot. Only way I am not picking Ingram is if some teams come offering me Paul George and just a few other young guys I would take.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

You would be absolutely crazy to trade the 2nd pick to move back for a couple picks. We need a super star and Ingram is the perfect fit. How can you trade the chance at getting a 6'10 2 way stud at the biggest position of need on your team for years? Sure it's possible you land 2 stars but you have a way better chance taking a talent like Ingram. The kid is way under rated around here by some and it just says to me you have watched very little of him. He is arguably a better fit then Simmons but it's just hard to pass up on what Simmons could be with a shot. Only way I am not picking Ingram is if some teams come offering me Paul George and just a few other young guys I would take.

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I gave no judgement on Ingram. I just asked a question. I think Ingram will be a beast no doubt. But my thinking is does he fit our timeline? We're not a rebuilding team, we're a team that expected to be in the playoffs but had an injury riddled season. That is the only reason we are in the position we are in. Ingram will take at least 3 years to be a star, and at least 5 to 6 years to have the maturity to compete in deep playoff runs as a 1 or 2 option. Can we afford to wait that long with AD who is ready to win now? Just a thought.

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So reading draft express we have the 6th (lottery) 38th and 39th pick. Is that right?

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Originally Posted by bustahyndes

So reading draft express we have the 6th (lottery) 38th and 39th pick. Is that right?

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38th & 39th will not be confirmed until tomorrow.

... and 6th not until the draft lottery (May 17th)

I just watched some Timothe Luwawu tape and that kid can ball, if we miss out on simmons, ingram, hield, brown, dunn, murray I wouldnt mind our draft going with Luwawu in the 1st and AJ Hammons and Wayne Seldon in the 2nd round.

Guru doesn't like Bender?

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Originally Posted by pawel

Guru doesn't like Bender?

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Surely Boston will grab Bender, they need a star big man.

With 6th pick - I want someone from group Ingram, Simmoms, Murray, Hield, Dunn. In that order - hopefully someone will take Brown
With 7th pick - I will trade down (preferred) - of course if any of 5 is available I will pick him.
With 1-2 pick I may take any of two. Ingram is 50,1% to 49,9% in my board (I will never trade this pick)
With 3rd pick I will check what can I get. But I will choose Bender.

3rd pick plus Evans for Jimmy Butler and 14th pick? Probably yes...

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Originally Posted by Lelicans

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Surely Boston will grab Bender, they need a star big man.

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BOS needs a star, dont need young prospect not named Simmons/Ingram.
They will trade it along with any of 1 million other picks for somebody...

Which of prospects can get to the free throw line?
We need wings who can get cheap points.

1. Ingram
2. Simmons
3. J. Murray
4. Heild
5. Dunn
6. Valentine
7. Brown
8. Bender
9. Luwawu
10. Prince

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

1. Ingram
2. Simmons
3. J. Murray
4. Heild
5. Dunn
6. Valentine
7. Brown
8. Bender
9. Luwawu
10. Prince

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Quite a few mocks have Brown going at 3 or 4.

I'd be surprised if he slips past PHX

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Originally Posted by Lelicans

Quite a few mocks have Brown going at 3 or 4.

I'd be surprised if he slips past PHX

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He has no NBA skill outside of his athleticism and size... which in the NBA wont be as extraordinary. I do actually like him as a college player, just cant see his game translating. Even if shooting is one of the more commonly picked up skills. Having said that, if he does go above us it means someone slips... Im happy with that

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Originally Posted by carpo

He has no NBA skill outside of his athleticism and size... which in the NBA wont be as extraordinary. I do actually like him as a college player, just cant see his game translating. Even if shooting is one of the more commonly picked up skills. Having said that, if he does go above us it means someone slips... Im happy with that

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Is he not a good shooter?

this how will lottery go (assuming no changes in draft)
1. Ingram PHI
2. Simmons LAL
3. Bender BOS
4. Brown PHX
5. Hield MIN
6. Murray NOP
7. Dunn

it all depends on the lottery. PHX has Booker, Bledsoe and Knight. Don't need guard.
Minny needs PF and to decide what with LaVine (PG/SG) and what with Rubio...

so many possibilities...

My board is (not draft order but who I want in order):
Ingram, Simmons, Bender, Murray, Hield, Dunn, Sabonis, Valentine, Luwawu, Prince, Jackson, Ulis

I can see a blockbuster trade happening draft night.

Boston has too many assets and they aren't going to keep all those rookies.

Pretty sure they'll be getting Boogie. (and passing on Bender)

do you all think Murray is good enough defensively to pick here?

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Originally Posted by pawel

Guru doesn't like Bender?

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i dont dislike him, it's just I don't want to draft another PF. AD wants to be a 4, and id rather keep him happy.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

do you all think Murray is good enough defensively to pick here?

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i've been asking myself the same question.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

i dont dislike him, it's just I don't want to draft another PF. AD wants to be a 4, and id rather keep him happy.

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AD should do what's best for the team. That said, Bender/AD should make up for what we loss in AD/Noel.

And I just ran another draft simulation on ESPN and here were the first try results.

1. NO - Simmons
2. MIN - Ingram
3. LAL - Bender
4. PHI - Murray
5. BOS - Ellenson
6. PHX - Brown
7. DEN - Hield
8. SAC - Dunn
9. TOR - Chriss
10. MIL - Poeltl
11. ORL - Rabb
12. PHX - Kormaz
13. UTAH - Valentine
14. CHI - Ulis

Sidenote: If the NBA lottery is truly rigged, what would be the top 3 results--based on what the NBA would prefer?

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Originally Posted by pawel

this how will lottery go (assuming no changes in draft)
1. Ingram PHI
2. Simmons LAL
3. Bender BOS
4. Brown PHX
5. Hield MIN
6. Murray NOP
7. Dunn

it all depends on the lottery. PHX has Booker, Bledsoe and Knight. Don't need guard.
Minny needs PF and to decide what with LaVine (PG/SG) and what with Rubio...

so many possibilities...

My board is (not draft order but who I want in order):
Ingram, Simmons, Bender, Murray, Hield, Dunn, Sabonis, Valentine, Luwawu, Prince, Jackson, Ulis

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If that's the case, then we will trade Booker or our pick. I cant see Benson and front office waiting for a young rookie to blossum. They are more in the impatient win now mode.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

I can see a blockbuster trade happening draft night.

Boston has too many assets and they aren't going to keep all those rookies.

Pretty sure they'll be getting Boogie. (and passing on Bender)

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Don't see it happening. Especially with Kings front office siding with Boogie and firing Karl. They are fully "all in" on DMC

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Don't see it happening. Especially with Kings front office siding with Boogie and firing Karl. They are fully "all in" on DMC

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Don't think they'll have much of a choice when Boogie tells them he wants a trade.
If Boston ends up with a top pick, they can put together an unholy package they won't be able to say no to.

Lakers are winning the lotto, so all of this is obsolete.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

HECK no, I would not trade the 2nd pick for the 3rd and 4th. Simmons and Ingram are another level above everyone else. Now if we had the 1st pick and someone offered the 2nd and 3rd for it I'd do it and grab Ingram and Hield.

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I would do it in a heartbeat.


Grab Dunn and Buddy, or Bender and Buddy, or Dunn and Bender, or etc. 2 is better then one imo. Philly would do that trade too. The talent drop of from top two is big, but i cant past up 2 potential all stars for the price of a potential franchise player.

Whats better? Franchise player and three all stars, vs 2 Franchise players and one all star ? The Thunder (2 franchise players) or the Warriors ( 1 franchise player + 3 all stars) ??

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I would do it in a heartbeat.


Grab Dunn and Buddy, or Bender and Buddy, or Dunn and Bender, or etc. 2 is better then one imo. Philly would do that trade too. The talent drop of from top two is big, but i cant past up 2 potential all stars for the price of a potential franchise player.

Whats better? Franchise player and three all stars, vs 2 Franchise players and one all star ? The Thunder (2 franchise players) or the Warriors ( 1 franchise player + 3 all stars) ??

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When those 3 all-stars are perfect complimentary players, that seems clearly the way to go.

However, neither option is a bad one.

Just let that process take root. We'll be more than alright.

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Originally Posted by 704Pelicanfan

Sidenote: If the NBA lottery is truly rigged, what would be the top 3 results--based on what the NBA would prefer?

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PHI
LAL
BOS

If it is rigged, I think the NBA would have promised 76ers first pick for getting rid of Hinke. If that promise was not made, then Lakers would get 1 and Boston 2.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I would do it in a heartbeat.


Grab Dunn and Buddy, or Bender and Buddy, or Dunn and Bender, or etc. 2 is better then one imo. Philly would do that trade too. The talent drop of from top two is big, but i cant past up 2 potential all stars for the price of a potential franchise player.

Whats better? Franchise player and three all stars, vs 2 Franchise players and one all star ? The Thunder (2 franchise players) or the Warriors ( 1 franchise player + 3 all stars) ??

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You are not assigning percentages of likely success to the all stars being all stars and the franchise players being franchise players. Would rather a 25% chance at a franchise player/60% chance of allstar than two 25% chances at allstars/60% chance at role players.

Wouldn't it be illegal to rig the lottery for specific teams? And if so, why wait as long as they did to "rig" it for us? Yeah, for Katrina? So tired of insane conspiracy theories...

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I would do it in a heartbeat.


Grab Dunn and Buddy, or Bender and Buddy, or Dunn and Bender, or etc. 2 is better then one imo. Philly would do that trade too. The talent drop of from top two is big, but i cant past up 2 potential all stars for the price of a potential franchise player.

Whats better? Franchise player and three all stars, vs 2 Franchise players and one all star ? The Thunder (2 franchise players) or the Warriors ( 1 franchise player + 3 all stars) ??

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ur just giving 2 examples, I could easily say 2 franchise players, (Michael Jordan and Pippen), (Shaq and Kobe), (Lebron and Wade) or you could say 1 franchise player with stars, like the Mavs, or the Spurs. There is no clear cut answer.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Wouldn't it be illegal to rig the lottery for specific teams? And if so, why wait as long as they did to "rig" it for us? Yeah, for Katrina? So tired of insane conspiracy theories...

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Yea the lottery being rigged is about as ridiculous as it gets. Is one of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories I have ever heard.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Yea the lottery being rigged is about as ridiculous as it gets. Is one of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories I have ever heard.

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I always kinda thought they rigged it cuz they know they screwed up when they nixed the CP3-Lakers deal, and so giving us the #1 pick was making it up. I know there's no evidence, and I don't realllly believe it, but still.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

I always kinda thought they rigged it cuz they know they screwed up when they nixed the CP3-Lakers deal, and so giving us the #1 pick was making it up. I know there's no evidence, and I don't realllly believe it, but still.

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If you dont believe the NBA Lottery is rigged, then you probably still believe in a thing called love.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

If you dont believe the NBA Lottery is rigged, then you probably still believe in a thing called love.

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What. Does. This. Even. Mean?! [emoji23]

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...-second-round/

Nice piece by McNamara on BSS. What do people think about these options? They sound good to me, it'd be great to take on or two of these guy as projects but I just don't see Dell taking keeping the two second rounders.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

If you dont believe the NBA Lottery is rigged, then you probably still believe in a thing called love.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

If you dont believe the NBA Lottery is rigged, then you probably still believe in a thing called love.

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LMAO, it can't be rigged, all the GM's are in the room for the entire process.

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Originally Posted by gdf22

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...-second-round/

Nice piece by McNamara on BSS. What do people think about these options? They sound good to me, it'd be great to take on or two of these guy as projects but I just don't see Dell taking keeping the two second rounders.

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Dell is going to package these two together to try for 1 first rounder, likely from top NBA teams with later picks. (assuming Dell is still GM)

I think he'll pick a senior with great work ethic. (not old man, a 4 year college player) :)

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

LMAO, it can't be rigged, all the GM's are in the room for the entire process.

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Exactly. You can't have this many people a part of the process to all stay quiet forever. Way to many people are involved when they draw the lotto balls. There have been some times where it has worked out perfect but also a lot more times where things didn't go right for teams that needed something. If the Lakers get the 1st pick this year somehow it will be "rigged" lol. Not like having the 2nd worst team matters at all.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I would do it in a heartbeat.


Grab Dunn and Buddy, or Bender and Buddy, or Dunn and Bender, or etc. 2 is better then one imo. Philly would do that trade too. The talent drop of from top two is big, but i cant past up 2 potential all stars for the price of a potential franchise player.

Whats better? Franchise player and three all stars, vs 2 Franchise players and one all star ? The Thunder (2 franchise players) or the Warriors ( 1 franchise player + 3 all stars) ??

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If we traded 2nd pick for 3rd and 4th, I'd work hard to trade one of them for a stud like Butler (I'd even throw in a next year one but they have to take Asik) then take either Buddy or Murray with the other pick. Then we would have max money to throw at anyone and they would consider coming here with that talent. Jrue, Butler, and Davis should entice anyone especially since they won't have to be under paid to come make a super team. Even Lebron or Durant would love this team. Damn that is a nice team without the draft pick. LOL

If Butler was somehow on the block I think I'd make most any move except Simmons and maybe Ingram. 2 First, Evans, and either Asik or Ajinca for Butler and their 1st this year should be enough if not throw in some seconds.

Love is not real,



And you guys are soooo gullable. There no way in hell I trust NBA owners. Lakers arw winning. I'm betting my student debt on it. If the Lakers do not win the lotto, I will conform to a public and PR shame for a week. That's how sure I am.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Love is not real,



And you guys are soooo gullable. There no way in hell I trust NBA owners. Lakers arw winning. I'm betting my student debt on it. If the Lakers do not win the lotto, I will conform to a public and PR shame for a week. That's how sure I am.

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Ok and who cares if they win it and why would it somehow be rigged because they are 1st? They have the 2nd best odds so what is so unbelievable if they win it? Why didn't they win it last year and get Towns? Don't you think the Lakers would have gotten the 1st pick last year with the TWolves still getting a good pick at 2nd if it was rigged? No the only thing that count towards a rig is when it benefits a team. The few years you can point to being rigged to help some team you can find way more that don't work in their favor.

I just don't want Minny to get top 3.
Everyone else is bad enough that I couldn't care less.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

If we traded 2nd pick for 3rd and 4th, I'd work hard to trade one of them for a stud like Butler (I'd even throw in a next year one but they have to take Asik) then take either Buddy or Murray with the other pick. Then we would have max money to throw at anyone and they would consider coming here with that talent. Jrue, Butler, and Davis should entice anyone especially since they won't have to be under paid to come make a super team. Even Lebron or Durant would love this team. Damn that is a nice team without the draft pick. LOL

If Butler was somehow on the block I think I'd make most any move except Simmons and maybe Ingram. 2 First, Evans, and either Asik or Ajinca for Butler and their 1st this year should be enough if not throw in some seconds.

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Yea if I have the chance at Simmons or Ingram I keep it. Makes no sense to trade your 2nd pick for two picks just to get Butler. Might as well just trade Ingram who they would make the trade for. I don't move Ingram for Butler though and the only player I would consider who is realistic would be Paul George. If we get the 3rd pick I would move it and next years 1st plus guys like you said for Butler. We would be in win now mode with the ability to still add another stud player to our big 3.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

Dell is going to package these two together to try for 1 first rounder, likely from top NBA teams with later picks. (assuming Dell is still GM)

I think he'll pick a senior with great work ethic. (not old man, a 4 year college player) :)

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I don't know why Trimble, Bentil, or Hammond would be there but a lot of mocks have them falling and that is who I would grab. Jake Layman would be an honorable mention here.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Love is not real,



And you guys are soooo gullable. There no way in hell I trust NBA owners. Lakers arw winning. I'm betting my student debt on it. If the Lakers do not win the lotto, I will conform to a public and PR shame for a week. That's how sure I am.

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fair enough.

this may have some consequences of our draft possibilities
Brown - may give us chance on Murray/Dunn/Hield
Rabb - I we will trade down - give us chance for a better prospect (he might be selected in the lottery - doesn't fits our needs)

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