Pelicans to meet with Tyreke Evans (offer has been made)

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'm just sitting back patiently waiting for this signing to be announce or agreed to in principle. I'd go ape sheet.

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You and me both.

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Originally Posted by GameBreaker

Thx for clearing that up MM.

I just don't know why Sac would want Vasquez.

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Their starting PG is 5'7".. i could see why lol.

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Originally Posted by GameBreaker

Thx for clearing that up MM.

I just don't know why Sac would want Vasquez.

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To give their young PG competition or at the very least have a capable backup.

Yeah, plus you can't dismiss the culture change they want there. Vasquez is a fiery guy with leadership skills and solid work ethich. Could help Malone get through to some of the youngins'

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I really would not like to do what Houston did. Next season they are paying Lin and Asik a combined 30 million :idoh:

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Poison pill contracts are averaged out over the entire length of the contract, except if the original team matches. So Lin and Asik are both making 8.3 a year, but if Knicks or Chicago would matched they would of owed them 15+ million next year.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'm just sitting back patiently waiting for this signing to be announce or agreed to in principle. I'd go ape sheet.

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You might wanna sit tight with nice bottle of wine good sir, if the reports of him wanting to do his "due diligence" have any merit too them, he's got a ton of diligence to make with lol

Another thing to keep in mind: There is NO WAY Dell put an offer on the table for Tyreke without an agreement with Kings in place that they will do a sign and trade.

If Tyreke says yes and a deal with Kings isn't in place, Dell has to what until the 13th to see if he gets his guy. Then, what if Kings match? Dell would have all that money left and all the big fish will be gone.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

To give their young PG competition or at the very least have a capable backup.

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You think GV wouldn't start over Isiah? :hihi:

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Poison pill contracts are averaged out over the entire length of the contract, except if the original team matches. So Lin and Asik are both making 8.3 a year, but if Knicks or Chicago would matched they would of owed them 15+ million next year.

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So if they are only making 8.3 next year why does sites like HH listing them at 15 for the 2014/2015 season?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Another thing to keep in mind: There is NO WAY Dell put an offer on the table for Tyreke without an agreement with Kings in place that they will do a sign and trade.

If Tyreke says yes and a deal with Kings isn't in place, Dell has to what until the 13th to see if he gets his guy. Then, what if Kings match? Dell would have all that money left and all the big fish will be gone.

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this makes as much sense as anything I have heard around here recently.....uuuuumm, a good bit more actually....

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We do not have the money to sign Tyreke outright. Not unless we cut Lopez.

Including Vasquez in a S&T helps us get to a bigger offer. Biggest offer we could put on table w/o trading Vasquez or cutting Lopez would be 4 years/25 million

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Don't have the details in front of me, but isn't GV only about $2,000,000 a year? I though we had nearly $7 million in cap space (and could renounce cap holds and cut Thomas giving us $8-$8.5 million. Anything more than that is overpaying Evans anyway IMO. However, I guess if they are sold that he is the answer, they would be willing to trade GV for him in a S&T. I just figured GV had more value than as a throw in as a salary in a S&T.

So if Reke says yes to us, it's gonna happen FAST.

This is the best offseason ever :hihi:

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Their starting PG is 5'7".. i could see why lol.

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Yeah but aren't they both trash defensively, how does it solve that issue?

Both are good backups. It's not like Vasquez would play the 3, they are loaded at that position.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

You think GV wouldn't start over Isiah? :hihi:

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give young PG competition != start over

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Don't have the details in front of me, but isn't GV only about $2,000,000 a year? I though we had nearly $7 million in cap space (and could renounce cap holds and cut Thomas giving us $8-$8.5 million. Anything more than that is overpaying Evans anyway IMO. However, I guess if they are sold that he is the answer, they would be willing to trade GV for him in a S&T. I just figured GV had more value than as a throw in as a salary in a S&T.

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We have 5.9 in space. GV counts as 2.1

W/O GV in trade, it is about a 4 year/25 mil offer. With GV, you ar elooking at 4/36-ish. Let Roberts, Thomas, and Terrell Harris off books and you are getting to about 4/40

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We have 5.9 in space. GV counts as 2.1

W/O GV in trade, it is about a 4 year/25 mil offer. With GV, you ar elooking at 4/36-ish. Let Roberts, Thomas, and Terrell Harris off books and you are getting to about 4/40

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Thanks, However, if we do that, does that only allow for minimum players to fill the roster?

Last thing to keep in mind: final day to waive Lopez is the 5th.

If Pelicans plan on signing Iggy or even Tyreke if they really did offer 11 mil per, they would have to shed Lopez.

I am guessing Dell is telling these guys he needs an answer by then

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Thanks, However, if we do that, does that only allow for minimum players to fill the roster?

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We would still have the room exception, which is basically a 2 year/6 million dollar deal. But yeah, basically minimum players after that

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We have 5.9 in space. GV counts as 2.1

W/O GV in trade, it is about a 4 year/25 mil offer. With GV, you ar elooking at 4/36-ish. Let Roberts, Thomas, and Terrell Harris off books and you are getting to about 4/40

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That shouldn't be a problem. Those guys are minimum salary types. I'm fine with dumping GV as well.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Last thing to keep in mind: final day to waive Lopez is the 5th.

If Pelicans plan on signing Iggy or even Tyreke if they really did offer 11 mil per, they would have to shed Lopez.

I am guessing Dell is telling these guys he needs an answer by then

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Or PErhaps Lopez could be a part of a S&T for Reke.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Last thing to keep in mind: final day to waive Lopez is the 5th.

If Pelicans plan on signing Iggy or even Tyreke if they really did offer 11 mil per, they would have to shed Lopez.

I am guessing Dell is telling these guys he needs an answer by then

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We should not waive Lopez. We would have no starting center. Would rather S&T him.

I also would rather have the current players on the roster start the season instead of adding iggy/evans and having Smith or some min contract guy start at Center.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Last thing to keep in mind: final day to waive Lopez is the 5th.

If Pelicans plan on signing Iggy or even Tyreke if they really did offer 11 mil per, they would have to shed Lopez.

I am guessing Dell is telling these guys he needs an answer by then

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I would hope we do not release Lopez. Who would play the 5 (especially with no cap room remaining). He is a serviceable young center at a reasonable price.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So if they are only making 8.3 next year why does sites like HH listing them at 15 for the 2014/2015 season?

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Not sure but spotrac has it listed as 8.3, and they are way more accurate than HH. There are links in this thread to articles about it. Sorry I don have one, but I'm sure u can google it.

Let's not forget Dwight Howard is coming into our division. We had better not get rid of Lopez. We need at least one big body down low.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So if they are only making 8.3 next year why does sites like HH listing them at 15 for the 2014/2015 season?

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Because it's HoopsHype and it's just one site.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/houston-rockets-team-salary
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/HOU.html
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/yearly/

Davis-35 minutes
Ryno-30
Smith- 20

Do any of these look unreasonable for next season? You know how many minutes are left if these guys get these minutes?

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Lopez is not a guy that we need to hang onto at all costs. With that room level exception, you can get a perfectly fine 4th big to give you 12-15 minutes a night.

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Originally Posted by bradael

Because it's HoopsHype and it's just one site.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/houston-rockets-team-salary
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/HOU.html
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/yearly/

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Just links would have sufficed.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Davis-35 minutes
Ryno-30
Smith- 20

Do any of these look unreasonable for next season? You know how many minutes are left if these guys get these minutes?

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Lopez is not a guy that we need to hang onto at all costs. With that room level exception, you can get a perfectly fine 4th big to give you 12-15 minutes a night.

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I think I would rather have Lopez in the 20-23 minutes and Smith in the 10-15 minutes a night category.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Davis-35 minutes
Ryno-30
Smith- 20

Do any of these look unreasonable for next season? You know how many minutes are left if these guys get these minutes?

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Lopez is not a guy that we need to hang onto at all costs. With that room level exception, you can get a perfectly fine 4th big to give you 12-15 minutes a night.

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You are expecting Davis Ryno and Smith to play in 82 games. That is a pretty bad assumption.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Davis-35 minutes
Ryno-30
Smith- 20

Do any of these look unreasonable for next season? You know how many minutes are left if these guys get these minutes?

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Lopez is not a guy that we need to hang onto at all costs. With that room level exception, you can get a perfectly fine 4th big to give you 12-15 minutes a night.

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I agree. Lopez is not worth losing Evans or Iggy long-term.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Davis-35 minutes
Ryno-30
Smith- 20

Do any of these look unreasonable for next season? You know how many minutes are left if these guys get these minutes?

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Lopez is not a guy that we need to hang onto at all costs. With that room level exception, you can get a perfectly fine 4th big to give you 12-15 minutes a night.

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Good post MM, I've been screaming this exact sentiment over the past 2-3 days. I think Davis plays 36-38, Anderson 30-32, Smith 20-22, so that leaves 4-10 min for a minimum salary guy. I see absolutely no reason to throw big $$$ at a Center in FA or through a S&T.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Good post MM, I've been screaming this exact sentiment over the past 2-3 days. I think Davis plays 36-38, Anderson 30-32, Smith 20-22, so that leaves 4-10 min for a minimum salary guy. I see absolutely no reason to throw big $$$ at a Center in FA or through a S&T.

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So essentially you guys are saying that after tip-off, the conventional "who's the PF and who's the C" goes out the door? Because Davis and Ryno would have to be on the floor a lot together.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

So essentially you guys are saying that after tip-off, the conventional "who's the PF and who's the C" goes out the door? Because Davis and Ryno would have to be on the floor a lot together.

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They will be regardless. Davis and Anderson will be finishing games.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Honestly, it is much easier for me to get excited about Martin than Evans, especially if contract is 3 years, around 25 million versus Tyreke at 4 for 44.

Martin was very efficient last season and provides the spacing we need for Jrue and AD.

Move Gordon to a team with cap space, sign Martin and Iggy, and I am good to go

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i just don't understand why we would even go after martin...he is injury prone too!!!! and doesn't play defense!!!

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I agree. Lopez is not worth losing Evans or Iggy long-term.

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^ this right here! You can't pass up potential like this

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

So essentially you guys are saying that after tip-off, the conventional "who's the PF and who's the C" goes out the door? Because Davis and Ryno would have to be on the floor a lot together.

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Smith too. Smith would play almost exclusively at center.

And yes, again, I look at guys who play the center position and I can't find many that terrify me. Not enough to lose out on a very good wing player to keep Lopez as opposed to signing, say, Dalmbert

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

So essentially you guys are saying that after tip-off, the conventional "who's the PF and who's the C" goes out the door? Because Davis and Ryno would have to be on the floor a lot together.

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Yes, we'll have problems when facing Howard, Hibbert, and?????? I can't think of many Centers we would have a problem with.

AD, Ryno, Smith, Dalembert, and bring back Amundson on another minimum deal.

I don't think that front line gets demolished. And I dont think Lopez over Dalembert is such a big improvement that I lose a wing player for it

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Yes, we'll have problems when facing Howard, Hibbert, and?????? I can't think of many Centers we would have a problem with.

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Pekovic, thats about it though.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Yes, we'll have problems when facing Howard, Hibbert, and?????? I can't think of many Centers we would have a problem with.

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Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol just in our division alone. It's a risky proposition for sure. You have to be able to match up. This is all good and great for the regular season, but if we don't have a big come playoff time, we're going to be hurting.

Shoot, without the Bynum/Okafor mismatch the last time we were in the playoffs, I think we take out the Lakers.

If Dalembert signs here for that 2 year 6 million deal you mentioned on the podcast, I'd be ecstatic. He's a total steal at that price.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol just in our division alone. It's a risky proposition for sure. You have to be able to match up. This is all good and great for the regular season, but if we don't have a big come playoff time, we're going to be hurting.

Shoot, without the Bynum/Okafor mismatch the last time we were in the playoffs, I think we take out the Lakers.

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Gasol is a big man, but he kills you more from the high post than the low and Duncan is gone in 2 years, max.

Per Howard, I would actually prefer letting him think he has the mismatch in the post and have his team feed him at the expense of ball movement and pick and rolls.

Go to work down low all day Dwight!

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Originally Posted by Bee-Fense

If Dalembert signs here for that 2 year 6 million deal you mentioned on the podcast, I'd be ecstatic. He's a total steal at that price.

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Can you imagine:

Jrue
Reke
Iggy
Davis
Dalembert

What a roster turnaround :hihi: Wow

Hibbert and Howard will have a hard time matching up with Ant and Ryno.

That's what I love about what the Pelicans are potentially doing with Tyreke, Jrue, and Iggy. What if you frontcourt is where you get spacing from and not your backcourt? Sound familiar? See the 2 time defending champion Miami Heat. Spacing coming from the backcourt was a concern with James and Wade on wing, but Mario, like Jrue, can knock down outside shots, and the Pelicans also have Ryno in a Mike Miller like role with AD being a non traditional C/PF like Bosh. All we need is cheap 3-point shooters like potentially Copeland to mix in the off the bench and we're good.

"The game done changed..."

I would keep Lopez rather than dump him to overpay Evans. I am not convinced Evans at the 3 works well enough to overpay. Lopez is a big body and still young (just turned 25). Dalembert is 32 and a shell of his former self.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

So essentially you guys are saying that after tip-off, the conventional "who's the PF and who's the C" goes out the door? Because Davis and Ryno would have to be on the floor a lot together.

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All of this is fine during the regular season; but the playoffs is another story.

It is a virtual lock for Howard to stay in WC with high probability of him landing in Houston, that's in our division.
The twin towers in Mephis may lose Randolph, but you still have Gasol. Another playoff lock in our division.
Warriors have Bogut, who they will keep under heavy wraps untill playoff time. Team can now be consided to have year-to-year strong playoff chances.
Pekovic looks to be very likely staying in the west with the Trailblazers and Wolves being primary suitors. Strong chance either team is in playoffs as 8th seed.


That's as hypothetical as I will get, but that's 4 out of your 7 playoff opponents who will posses centers that we will have no consistent answer to. And that's not counting McGee in Denver, the possibility of Bynum returning to LA if they loose Howard, and any possible transconference deals. Lopez may be just enough, but I'm not 100% sold on him vs those guys. Particularly when we are defending.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Gasol is a big man, but he kills you more from the high post than the low and Duncan is gone in 2 years, max.

Per Howard, I would actually prefer letting him think he has the mismatch in the post and have his team feed him at the expense of ball movement and pick and rolls.

Go to work down low all day Dwight!

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And I don't mind Davis on Duncan. I just don't like the idea of knowingly building a team that is going to be at a disadvantage at times. It's one thing to not be able to find a quality big body. It's a whole other to knowingly cut one on a good contract.

I'm torn. I'm not saying I don't hear what ya'll are saying. If dumping Lopez means getting Iggy, I'm going to be on board. I just wish there was another way.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

All of this is fine during the regular season; but the playoffs is another story.

It is a virtual lock for Howard to stay in WC with high probability of him landing in Houston, that's in our division.
The twin towers in Mephis may lose Randolph, but you still have Gasol. Another playoff lock in our division.
Warriors have Bogut, who they will keep under heavy wraps untill playoff time. Team can now be consided to have year-to-year strong playoff chances.
Pekovic looks to be very likely staying in the west with the Trailblazers and Wolves being primary suitors. Strong chance either team is in playoffs as 8th seed.


That's as hypothetical as I will get, but that's 4 out of your 7 playoff opponents who will posses centers that we will have no consistent answer to. And that's not counting McGee in Denver, the possibility of Bynum returning to LA if they loose Howard, and any possible transconference deals. Lopez may be just enough, but I'm not 100% sold on him vs those guys. Particularly when we are defending.

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Please explain this one :hihi:

Bynum is done. He has little future left in this league.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

And I don't mind Davis on Duncan. I just don't like the idea of knowingly building a team that is going to be at a disadvantage at times. It's one thing to not be able to find a quality big body. It's a whole other to knowingly cut one on a good contract.

I'm torn. I'm not saying I don't hear what ya'll are saying. If dumping Lopez means getting Iggy, I'm going to be on board. I just wish there was another way.

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There is another way.. Dumping GV and declining a bunch of rookie deals (LT and such)