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Nah I’m just don’t use em I thought this was a place where we just place our thoughts on the team not my high school literature class I apologize y’all
I saw someone propose and Ingram for KAT based trade... idk if the Wolves would go for that but if they would, we should jump on that. KAT would be a perfect fit at the 5.
You do you, man. We're used to the same ten guys up in here. Success will bring in all flavors and people will adjust.Originally Posted by Algiersraised
BI, Zion, and CJ had a net rating of +3 when on the court together. BI and Zion had a +13.4, BI and CJ had a +13.2, Zion and CJ was just +5.4.
BI and Zion worked. BI and CJ worked. It was CJ and Zion and all three together that didn't work.
Yeah Ian tripping bro I just don’t like that since some of us want Ingram to stay we gotta be old laker fans or stans when I was born in New Orleans and most of my family is still there and I been repping home out here in Atlanta since Katrina
I seen the hornets live before I seen the saints
I was there for baron davis Jr smith when all he did was dunk Chris and co to now
Yeah I don't want to imply that anyone who likes BI is a Lakers fan, just gotta be clear. I just recall that Nichols in particular was/is a Lakers fan - I could be wrong on that and he can correct me if that's the case, but I'm pretty sure he came to the board in the wake of the LA trade for specifically that reason.
The comment about him being a Lakers fan is specifically talking about him. Again, he can correct me if I'm thinking of the wrong person (in which case, I apologise to him for saying it).
Basketball.
I don't think the Wolves would even return the phone call to be honest. They were this close to being a Finals team this year and if Ant-man didn't completely collapse, they would have been, probably. Given how dominant they were with the 2 centres this year, I feel like they've got to at least give it one more shot with that core.
He would be a perfect fit though and if there's any smoke at all, Griff should be on that phone.
Trying to think through all the different trade proposals and ideas I've seen for BI thus far over the last few days, and it's actually pretty tricky to decide which ones seem most appealing. One that I keep seeing again and again is Sacramento in a deal involving Barnes, Huerter, and picks, but I can't buy it.
Am I missing something in that deal? Can someone tell me the upside of it? It just looks bad to me.
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Hope everyone is having a healthy offseason in here. The Murray addition has me very optimistic. He was extremely good down the stretch last year. Can’t believe we still have BI. I see no reason to trade him if they can keep him and acquire a big.
One thing I’m curious about is Dyson in the trade. I wonder if Griff is attempting what Dae said and removing one of his toys to force Green to accommodate more shooters? We recently brought in Reeves, Hawkins will likely replace Dice’s minutes and Naji could be going anywhere- so more minutes for Hawk. Who else will Griff bring in to fill out the roster? It will be interesting.
This team can't afford the guys on the roster is one major reason why.
We have no money. We need at least 3 more people on contract to meet the minimum roster requirements of the NBA and we have less than $4m left before we hit the luxury tax (remember: the Pelicans are one of only two teams to have NEVER paid the luxury tax). The only way we can regain flexibility and add a C to the roster is in a trade, and given that BI is the one with the incoming gargantuan extension due, he's the primary candidate for a move.
Remember we have to extend Trey at some point soon too, and Griff stated in his post-draft presser that we ''can't'' be an apron team. This franchise is not going massively over the cap, ever.
I see a lot of people wanting to keep BI over CJ, but I probably keep CJ if I have to. He shoots the three and gives his all every game.
Reading Mike Scotto's latest article (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumo...tenstein-more/) and seeing the following about the Pels:
Magic are in a tricky spot; apparently they really want Hartenstein and are willing to offer him $20m+ per year, but in doing so WCJ might be on the outs.Amid the expected Hartenstein courtship, rival teams have expressed trade interest in Magic center Wendell Carter Jr., including the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources told HoopsHype. The Pelicans are searching to add a center, with Jonas Valanciunas expected to depart in free agency, as previously reported on HoopsHype.
Last season at only 24 years of age he averaged 37.4% from 3 on 6 attempts per 100. Obviously not a crazy volume, but if there's optimism that he could take more, his career 25.0% DREB makes for an enticing possibility.
He only makes about $11m a year though, so likely we'd need to take more back from Orlando to make the salaries work, since they're need to keep their space for the Hartenstein acquisition.
Looking at their roster they don't have many ways to make up the additional salary. Banchero would work but obviously they wouldn't move him. Wagner is probably untouchable too, and frankly doesn't make enough money.
The most logical option would probably be Jonathan Isaac, due about $17.4m this upcoming season which would mean that they were within touching distance of salary matching (BI is $36m in, that would be $28m out, roughly) but I'm not sure if they would be interested in doing that. Isaac is a hellacious defender and another promising low-volume shooter but he's had massive injury struggles thus far in his career - maybe they're ready to move on from him because of that?
Interesting stuff in the air right now.
Free agency starts at 6pm ET, which is in about 2 hours if I'm remember time zones right.
CJ's getting paid $33m a year and that's not a long term deal. BI's new deal is likely to be in the region of $50m a year, and probably add another 4 years on to his contract. It's a much more difficult thing to accommodate.
Combine that with the fit arguments that people have made (including me, I think the fit of DJM/BI/Zion is appalling) it's fairly difficult to justify keeping BI in my opinion.
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PG13 can probably get his full max from Philly.... he has said (per the media) that he wants to stay in Cali, but if he can make 52 mil in Philly, as opposed to 42 in Golden St... he might be willing to make that cross-country move.
Love Wendell Carter Jr's game. He's only 6'10 but has an insane 7'5" wingspan. Is very mobile and has a ton of muscle. Perfect fit.
You keep saying BI is getting 50 mil a year... and I keep telling you nobody's giving him that. One of us is wrong and we're about to find out who.
I'm going purely off of memory here so I might be off and it was around the time I was still avoiding the NBA because I was too sad about our exit but I think the KAT trade rumors started because they kept pulling him during crucial moments of their playoff games.
I don't want KAT. I think the issue of getting Ingram to shoot more 3s is much easier and realistic fix than getting KAT to play defense.
4yr $200m is lower than his max, still works out to $50m, and is very much in line with the market right now.
I get what you're saying, but I just do not believe for a second that BI and his agent are watching OG Anunoby get $42m a year, Immanuel Quickley get $35m a year, Jamal Murray getting his $50m a year, and they're sat there thinking ''yeah we should be the ones taking a pay cut''. I just don't think it's likely. Far more likely to me that the ex-all star who's good for 20/5/5 every year pushes for something a lot closer to his max.
Edit: it's worth noting that since it's an extension and he still has a year left on his deal, if BI feels like he's not getting the offer he deserves he can always just wait. Refuse the offer he gets, bet on himself to up his worth in the next year and extend (either here, or with whatever team, or even hit FA) for a bigger contract next season.
That would put us in a horrible situation, as any team trading for him mid-season would be doing so for less than even one full season in what could be a potential rental, knowing they'd have to either be the ones to pay him or lose him for nothing without even getting enough time to evaluate him in their system properly, and on the off-chance that BI does perform over expectation next year, he then puts us over a barrel to max max him, and if we do that then we're in enormous financial difficulty going forward. As in, Trey Murphy has gotta go kind of difficulty.
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Carter and Isaac would do a good job of shoring up the positions at the 4 and 5, adding defense, size, and shooting at those spots.
Both of them have injury concerns, but that's kind of why they're in buy-low positions and you may be able to get both. Isaac alone was considered a high end chip just a few years ago, but more injuries and his contract nearing its end have reduced his value.
If you're Griff and you believe in the medical staff that got Zion to play 70 games this year to help WCJ and Isaac, it seems like a pretty good value deal. It is a bit of a gamble though, so I can see why some people might be reticent.
Didn't it seem like in their series against the nuggets KAT was their best defender against Jokic?
Can't remember the numbers but I remember him being pretty solid too.
Plus, I trust WG to get buy-in on defense from someone more than I trust him to convince them to shoot more 3s.
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Pelicans currently stand at about $167m in salary (counting Missi's $3.2m rookie scale, but not yet counting whatever Reeves may get), according to Spotrac.
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