Yep and that's one of the main reason why New York franchises are struggling to attract Big Time FA despite the big market aspect.Originally Posted by RobertM320
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Yep and that's one of the main reason why New York franchises are struggling to attract Big Time FA despite the big market aspect.
Last edited by Blattman; 06-11-2024 at 12:42 AM.
You may be right but both leagues needs fans outside of the US in order to complete their growth. They all look at the money the Premier League get for international rights and know that's where they need to be headed. The media rights on the US market are pretty much on a bubble with stable or decreasing viewership and a skyrocketing price. They need that international money to compensate once the bubble will burst.
This is totally untrue. There's actually what's referred to as a Laker tax. Where they have to overpay to get a deal done.
Who is using Laker tax except Lakers media and fans ?
Like most fanbase, they tend to overvalue their own assets so they feel they have to pay more but just look at the history of trades made and you'll see it doesn't exist and more often than not, Lakers tends to take advantage of delfated value of players asking for a trade to them.
I disagree I think most Americans understand that football is something that's only popular in the United States. Like another poster said most Americans are just not concerned if other countries watch our sports leagues or not. If people in other countries watch basketball good for them, but we don't actually care.
Sure, there's less of a big market appeal in the NFL than the NBA (not that that's helped the Clippers/Nets/Knicks...meanwhile the Nuggets won the championship last year and this year's conference finalists included Indiana and Minnesota) but you either have parity or you don't, and the myth of the NFL is that a league completely dominated by the Patriots and now the Chiefs has some sort of equal fortune.
Sure but the point I'm making isn't about the fans, it's about the leagues themselves.
The NFL seems happy to have a complete stranglehold on American sports with basically zero imprint outside of it. That works for them, obviously they make money from it just fine, and the fans are happy.
The NBA isn't following that model. It seems happier to take a smaller chunk of the domestic market but is very actively trying to cultivate fanbases outside of the US. It makes sense, because basketball in general is more of a global sport even it's not exclusively the NBA.
So when people argue that the NBA should change its business model to be more like the NFL's because ''the NBA will never be number 1'' and ''the NFL got it right'' and the NBA ''won't ever sniff the popularity of the NFL'' et cetera et cetera, they're missing the point. They have different goals. The NBA is more popular than ever and, globally speaking, it's the far more culturally relevant sport, which brings its own benefits. That's why noting that the NFL is an insular sports culture with extremely limited reach is important.
It's also why the claim that parity is important for top level success doesn't work when you examine it on a global level. It may be true in the NFL that parity brings popularity (I wouldn't know, I don't watch the NFL and I'll take other people's word on it) but the NBA draws more inspiration from international soccer/football in that respect, which is heavily imbalanced by design and which is the most popular sport out of all three mentioned.
Clearly, the NBA doesn't mind having a star-driven league where certain teams languish because clearly that doesn't hurt their bottom line, and arguing that the NFL does it right and is more popular so the NBA should adopt the principles of things like a franchise tag doesn't work if you take the global market into consideration because the NFL isn't globally more popular and the most popular sports have even less parity. Parity is not integral to league success.
That said, the NBA is about to crown its 6th different champion in 6 years, the last 6 MVPs have been international players, the last ROTY is French and the number one pick of the upcoming draft is likely to be French, and their TV deals are worth more than ever, so it looks like the NBA has achieved precisely what it wanted in terms of international reach and money while also delivering parity at the top end. Anyone can win a chip; Toronto, Denver, Milwaukee have all done it recently.
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New York just kind of sucks. There are a lot of good reasons to visit and live there short term, but it isn?t somewhere you?d want to stay. Too cramped, smelly, high taxes, crime and too political. It?s never really been much of a sports hotspot despite being a massive market.
Yeah. The Lakers can get anyone they want because basketball players, while celebrities, aren't on the top tier with rappers and movie stars, they're mostly B list celebs.....but being one of the top three or so players in the league or playing for the Lakers vaults you up rubbing elbows with the A listers.
Someone could make an argument that the movie and music industries have dropped down a bit in American celebrity status but the appeal of playing for LAL is that you get invited to more A list parties and get to upgrade your entourage playing there. So as long as that holds true they will always be able to attract the Lebrons and ADs of the world and by having those guys you'll always attract the role playing ring chasers. It's how they rebuilt so quickly after Kobe with LeBron and it's why they will only be down two to three seasons tops after LeBron when other franchises would take a decade to rebuild.
Last edited by msusousaphone; 06-11-2024 at 06:15 PM.
BI, Zion, and CJ had a net rating of +3 when on the court together. BI and Zion had a +13.4, BI and CJ had a +13.2, Zion and CJ was just +5.4.
BI and Zion worked. BI and CJ worked. It was CJ and Zion and all three together that didn't work.
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This is a seriously comical take. NYC is the capital of the world for a reason and you certainly don’t get it. Your summation of NY comes straight from the Fox News sound bites. “It’s never been much of a sports hotspot” Oy vey!! Too funny!!
Agreed..
No.. just no. lol. Many team execs have asked more from the Lakers than they would from other teams for role players. A little research would clear that up for you. Paul George wanted to be traded to the Lakers, his team execs resented the idea, and over asked to get the deal done. Even the Pel's execs resented the prospect of sending AD to the Lakers and resisted. It's not just a Lakers issue.
Well Klay Thompson has purged everything GS related on his social media accounts. Also unfollowed GS
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...rriors-content
Would you give Klay a shot here if you are Grif or you think he is done after multiple injuries? I believe we have enough injury prone players on our team so I would pass on him.
Last edited by 13 - 3; 06-15-2024 at 12:02 AM.
Off topic: BI has every single attribute that Jayson Tatum has...He just refuses to be "it"
Why haven't we signed anyone yet?
Last edited by msusousaphone; 06-15-2024 at 01:16 AM.
I see that. I always remember when Jrue Holliday was the most hated player on the Pels roster. BI has a great work ethic. He'll improve. If I were betting, I'd put money down that he stays. It'll all come down to injuries. If the team stays relatively healthy, we'll contend and everyone will change their minds about him like they have with Jrue and so many other players. If the injuries continue, keeping him will be considered the worst move and the beginning of the end for the Griffin/Green era.
Klay would be really interesting if we move BI or CJ and end up with Garland or Allen. Would be a bit redundant if we hold pat.
The fact that our staff is all bolting to Detroit of all places is somewhat concerning. The front office board (Gayle & Dennis, Griff) might actually be okay with our mediocrity. There are some rumblings they are having second thoughts on moving Ingram now that they know his stock is higher than first thought.
Last edited by 13 - 3; 06-15-2024 at 04:57 PM.
Which had nothing to do with it being the Lakers and was entirely because of Lebron/Klutch meddling in the middle of the season.
Are we getting these two back together in a reunion tour?
That would be interesting. It certainly never worked in Portland but they also didn't have Zion. Not the most exciting for me but intriguing.
Jake Madison had a pretty good quote on this today. Something along the lines of 'staff leaving to take equal or less than positions elsewhere is the sign of a bad franchise. Staff leaving to take more money or a better position (which Trajan and Fred did) is the sign of a healthy one'.
Jake trying to spin it the best he can. Meanwhile Jrue Holiday is about to get another ring. So I guess Jrue wanted to leave here because the Pelicans were in a good position.
Jrue wanted to leave to win a ring. I think everyone knew he would not get it here.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember Jrue asking for a trade. I recall that trade happening because the Pelicans wanted to make a move. We needed to acquire assets for rebuilding and knew that we could not be competitive with Jrue being the best player on our team.
The story that came out was that he requested a trade but did it the right way (behind the scenes) as he thought a rebuild could take too long. Could have been speculation.
can jrue come back and help us now
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