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I see, well I could be misreading what's happening. I also didn't know the Cavs were looking to settle on only one of the two. Either one of those guys would be great for whoever's lucky enough to acquire them.Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
So maybe it's a matter of who offers the more attractive packages for either player.. Or have you heard they're most likely settling for D Mitchell?
Oh, and what's Garland's issue with Mitchell??
I'm not sure if there is a personal issue (though Mitchell seems to clash with just about everyone, from the looks of it) or if Garland just doesn't think he's getting enough opportunities as the lead guard with Mitchell there. Hard to know - I don't have any internal sources.
Similar with the idea that the Cavs are looking to settle on one, I don't have any internal sources on that but it's just what the majority of the talk coming from reporters and stuff has implied. Maybe that's incorrect, but it's the vibe they've been putting out for probably a year or so.
Basketball.
I'm a believer in Garland.
He had his jaw broken in December, missed over 6 weeks of the season, and when he came back he had reportedly lost upwards of 10lbs in weight and was out of it. He had a rough season from that point on, never able to get himself properly back together, but I think this season wasn't a fair representation of his play.
If we look at the previous two seasons, he played 68 and 69 games in each year (not bad at all) and averaged 21/3/8, shooting 39.6% from 3 on 6+ a game. 87.5% from the FT line. TOV% had gone down every year of his career until this year, TS% had increased every year until this year, and his Defensive BPM had improved every year until this year.
I'd be willing to buy that this year is the outlier. Get him fully healthy with an off-season to recover, I'd bet on him shooting 39% or better from 3 on high volume again, for the turnovers to come back down, and for his defense to be acceptable for a guy of his size.
This Cavs thing seems similar to the Hawks back court issues. Starting to think Mitchell will stay and Garland will be traded
Also the best the Cavs looked during the season was when Garland was out and Mitchell was playing PG which I'm pretty sure Mitchell and hiz camp are quietly talking about
NetsDaily
@NetsDaily
I remain unconvinced that Donovan Mitchell is absolutely, positively leaving Cavs. Mitchell would have to give up $69.9 million and an extra year of security if he’s traded, $$269.9 million over 5 vs $200 million over 4. No one hates Cleveland that much!
Pretty much , "I'll ask for a trade at a later date".
I'm of the firm belief that Mitchell and Mobley are staying and that Allen and Garland are on the way out.
No clue if we'll end up with them (either, or both) but they're not staying in Cleveland. Be shocked if they were both still there next season.
Yeah that's the way I'm leaning right now with those two being gone. As for Allen, I'm not convinced the Pels should go after him. Not big on his fit next to Zion and the $$$ you would have to pay him, but if you want that pairing at the 3 and 5. The 1 ,2 and 4 has to be able to shoot
Last edited by Mount_Zion; 05-16-2024 at 12:27 PM.
The fit next to Zion isn't perfect but we've seen enough now from Zion next to JV and Steven Adams to know that as long as there's shooting on the perimeter, Zion can make it work wonders. Garland, Trey, Herb, Hawkins all provide crazy shooting, Matt Ryan is still there if Willie remembers him, and we might even still have CJ for a while until a trade for him gets worked out - he might be a deadline move.
As for price? Allen is an all-star who has finished top 12 in DPOY voting 3 times despite being only 25 years old, and is signed for an even $20m for the next few years. He'll want to be paid after that, but a $20m expiring is actually movable, so that's not a huge deal, and if it does all work out then a pay rise might be in order anyway. Obviously I wouldn't pay him $40m a year, but some bump up might be fine.
Garland + Mobley/Allen...And you can have BI
A base trade of BI + Larry for Garland + Allen works. The question is what extra compensation the Pels would have to offer. Personally, I'd go as high as two additional first rounders, with some protections attached, maybe getting a 2nd rounder back...
I'd give them this year's first, plus handing over the LA swap rights and a top 5 protected FRP in like, 2026.
The Pelicans are a potential team to monitor for Donovan Mitchell, per
@ZachLowe_NBA
(https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000655930152).
https://x.com/esidery/status/1791558...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
A bit much it seems, but I would not haggle over the extra 1st. Garland makes a bit much for his game.
I would agree, I doubt there's a consensus among execs, and talking heads that Garland is better than Ingram. You can make an argument for "fit" here, but that's about it.
So overpaying for him while Ingram is included in the trade is a bad move. We're talking about Garland, not D. Mitchell.
Who fits better with Zion?
Garland or Mitchell if you had a choice
Garland! Got to get him .
Don't forget Garland is represented by Klutch. When they ask for a trade it's for a bigger marker and/or to join one of their other player. I would be quite surprised if Pelicans are into the list and the fact that they're already deflating his trade value by making it public tends to show they already have an agenda in mind.
Evan Sidery
@esidery
The Pelicans are not willing to offer Brandon Ingram a max contract, per
@cclark_13
(https://nola.com/sports/pelicans/wil...a37aa1c31.html).
Ingram is eligible to sign a four-year, $208 million extension.
New Orleans is reportedly open to adding more years onto
This is the early part of being traded, Ingram agent will find out who's willing to max his client and a trade may happen after
I agree. I don?t see Garland as a better player than Ingram, just a better fit. D. Murray and T. Young from Atlanta are better players than Ingram, and I would prefer to pursue them. Give me Young/Murray + Capela/Okongwu over Garland + Allen all day. Garland is the most currently overpaid player of all the names on the list including Ingram. If Ingram was given a max deal, he would take that title.
D Mitchell for BI + Dyson + 3 firsts
KAT for CJ + 2 1sts
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Starting Line-Up:
Mitchell
Herb
Trey
Z
KAT
Think that could contend for a title.
~
Dream over.
But, I would love to build around Z, Herb, and Trey. All we need is a superstar PG and a 5 who can shoot 3's
Last edited by WhyHornetsWhy; 05-19-2024 at 06:59 PM.
I've seen a few people mention KAT but I don't understand why he would be available considering how integral he has been to their success. I'd expect his team to consider him off limits.
Because their money is tied up and way over the luxury tax I believe.
How does swapping KAT for CJ help with that?
Didn't think that far into it lol
Then give me Naz Reid too and let Minnesota draft a 4 or 5 with one of those multiple 1st round picks we gave them
Last edited by WhyHornetsWhy; 05-19-2024 at 07:12 PM.
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