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  1. #526
    Quote Originally Posted by luckyman View Post
    Naji was snubbed. Summer League mvp for the Pelicans.
    Naji was snubbed but maybe b/c he had a bad game against the GS Warriors. He and Trey were great. The whole SL team did their thing. Plus Coach Willie as well.

  2. #527
    Vegas Summer League per 36s for relevant Pels guys + a few other big names this SL for comparison.

    Trey Murphy III: 20.7pts, 8.9rbds, 3.5asts, 2.2stls, 1.6blks on 56/44/100 splits = 71%TS
    Herb Jones: 13.1pts, 6.2rbds, 3.1asts, 2.4stls, 2blks on 45/50/64 splits = 51.1%TS
    Naji Marshall: 18.6pts, 12.8rbds, 6.3asts, 2.1stls, 0.5blks on 41/40/72 splits = 50.0%TS
    Kira Lewis: 14.7pts, 3.5rbds, 7.9asts, 1.9stls, 0.5blks on 41/28/100 splits = 51.0%TS
    Didi Louzada: 8.4pts, 4.9rbds, 3.1asts, 1.7stls, 1.0blks, on 32/16/50 splits = 37.6%TS

    Other prominent Summer League names, for comparison:

    Omer Yurtseven: 28.9pts, 15.6rbds, 1.2asts, 1.6stls, 3.5blks on 51/37/80 splits = 59.3%TS
    Alperen Sengun: 20.8pts, 15.4rbds, 3.4asts, 1.8stls, 4.3blks on 43/38/61 splits = 51.4%TS
    Kai Jones: 13.3pts, 12.8rbds, 2.1asts, 0.5stls, 1.1blks on 40/17/86 splits = 47.8%TS
    Evan Mobley: 14.0pts, 9.5rbds, 3.7asts, 0.8stls, 2.0blks on 35/13/50 splits = 38%TS (really awful offensive SL for Mobley)
    Jalen Johnson: 23.6pts, 12rbds, 2.5asts, 0.9stls, 1.5blks on 57/41/82 splits = 63.7%TS
    Scottie Lewis: 13.1pts, 3.4rbds, 5asts, 0.7stls, 2.7blks on 50/60/100 splits = 60.3%TS
    JT Thor: 21.8pts, 10.9rbds, 1.6asts, 2.1stls, 2.1blks on 50/25/77 splits = 59.3%TS
    Cade Cunningham: 24.2pts, 7.3rbds, 3asts, 2.1stls, 1.7blks on 43/50/50 splits = 56.1%TS
    Jonathan Kuminga: 22.5pts, 7.4rbds, 2.1asts, 2.1stls, 1blk on 39/27/66 splits = 48.0%TS
    Bones Hyland: 24.5pts, 4rbds, 5.9asts, 0.9stls, 0.9blks, on 46/40/76 splits = 63.5%TS
    Cam Thomas: 33.6pts, 2.2rbds, 2.5asts, 1.5stls, 0.6blks, on 42/36/85 splits = 56.7%TS
    Sharife Cooper: 19.1pts, 1.9rbds, 9.4asts, 0.6stls, 0blks on 44/33/67 splits = 52.0%TS
    Basketball.

  3. #528
    Why do the splits stay the same when you're extrapolating?

  4. #529
    Quote Originally Posted by AusPel View Post
    Why do the splits stay the same when you're extrapolating?
    The splits stay the same because otherwise you'd have to take a wild guess at which shots they'd get, hit, or miss. At that point you're not normalising minutes to get a baseline, you're just running a simulator. In essence, this is the per-minute production and the efficiency they did it on. You only multiply it up because per 36 is a much more reasonable emulation of actual game minutes than telling you that someone produced 0.7 points per minute or whatever: nobody really thinks of basketball that way, whereas per 36 gives an estimation of the kind of minutes starters often play in the NBA.
    Last edited by Pelicanidae; 08-18-2021 at 11:21 PM.

  5. #530
    Per 36 should only be used for players that averaged >24 minutes per game. Otherwise those numbers are prone to being unrealistic.

    Anyone less than 24 minutes should be scaled down to a per 24.

    Moody and Kispert would also be good comps for Trey. I saw Chris Duarte shot the lights out in summer league. He didn't disappoint.
    Last edited by luckyman; 08-19-2021 at 08:49 AM.

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    Summer league stats are fun to look at, but pretty meaningless given the varying levels of competition and low level of defense for the most part.

  7. #532
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelicanidae View Post
    Yep, though also with guys like Pat Williams it is very much an upside swing. It's a ''if he actually cashes in on X skill'' and ''if he actually works to improve Y'' issue. That's why very few people are panicking about him despite the fact that he's been awful so far in his career: he's a development project. Nobody expected him to be great immediately. Same with Pokusevski.
    dont think I'd call Pat Williams' rookie year 'awful' by an stretch.

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    Only thing I saw that mattered was the collective length, intelligence, and defensive effort among our key players in summer league.

    Oh. And if Murphy’s shot doesn’t translate to the regular season, then nothing is true and everything is permitted. If he made a shot ir was pure net. If he missed it was barely short or just slightly off. And he got it off in different situations. With a hand in his face and off an irregular shooting base.

  9. #534
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelifan View Post
    dont think I'd call Pat Williams' rookie year 'awful' by an stretch.
    Pat Williams and Poku aren't in the same stratosphere. Pat shot 48-39-73 and Poku shot 34-28-74. Don't really have to dive very deep in the numbers.

    I also watched a number of Poku's games because I was both interested in what Poku can do and emotionally invested in watch the Presti method fail. He was the worst professional basketball player I have ever seen for a large stretch of the season. Watching a player that bad with a 20.5% usage rate was something I never thought I'd see

  10. #535
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelifan View Post
    dont think I'd call Pat Williams' rookie year 'awful' by an stretch.
    It was a bad year. You mention his efficiency, which was okay (just a touch below league average TS%) but that is literally the highlight. He had a TOV% more than double his AST%, subpar WS/48, a thoroughly negative BPM 2.0, negative VORP, was a -13 on/off, was ranked 407th in the NBA in EPM (19th percentile, -3.7), was ranked 532nd out of 539 in LEBRON (-3.51 overall), 240th in RAPTOR (-3.7 overall), so on and so forth. He was really poor at a lot of things and the Bulls were better when he was not on the floor by a wide margin.

    But, as I say, that's fine. He's really young and there are some positives here and there - the efficiency, as you mention - so who cares? He's got plenty of time to show improvement before his rookie deal is up.

    Edit: as for Poku, he found himself in the very same tier for most of these other stats. Both bottom 10 in the NBA in LEBRON, for example, both thoroughly negative BPMs, etc - but again, who cares? He's still incredibly young and has years to go on his rookie deal to improve.

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