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Agreed. He's the best trade asset on this team and letting him walk for nothing is moronic. Regardless if he struggling. Him being a consistent scorer just keeps raising his stock. If he continues to improve. His stock will raise further. It was always a horrible move to let him walk for basically nothing or a weak sign and trade.
I've caught you being slick with stats before. When I say clutch, we are talking last 5 minutes in a close game. Which those stats were provided here before.
Show me where this comes from, because I can almost guarantee you are restricting the minutes down to cherry pick these stats.
I disagree with you only cause Brandon definitely is our "guy". And up until Zion started running point like last week I think most people were in agreements to that, including of course the entire organization. Like I said Brandon is darn good player I feel as though he tends to Over think a lot on the court however and what can help that is as we all know not having him run the offense as much. B.I. really never have hardly any wide open shots in the halfcourt a large percentage i feel like is Brandon generating his own offense, which to me needs to be addressed cause he looks just as worn out as Zion towards the end.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/cl...mID=1610612740
Literally the NBA official stats site.
Players - Clutch - Traditional, set the year to 2019-20, Team set to New Orleans Pelicans, change it from ''per game'' to ''total'' (cause otherwise it looks like Ingram only took like 2 shots in the clutch, hard to contextualise), and there you go. 33.3% shooting, 25% from 3, -118 +/-, et cetera.
My bad on a few of the numbers though: if you want the AST% and stuff you have to change it from ''Traditional'' to ''Advanced'', which re-set the year to this year and I didn't realise. If you change it to 2019-20 the AST% isn't 4.5% (that's this year) it's 20.0%, and the AS/TO isn't 0.17, it's the slightly better 0.89. TS% goes from 39.2% (again, that's this year) to 45.1%.
All of those numbers are still pretty bad, but just trying to be clear.
I just would love to see BI show some leadership. It?s hard to understand how you max a player that doesn?t talk or take defense seriously. I can?t wait till the day he takes a defensive challenge and asks to guard a final possession. All that length for him to stand in a corner and put Zo on an island.
No, that possession was bombed when the coach called the play for BI. The ball should have gone straight into Zion's hands and let he and JJ work together for a final shot. Instead the ball went to BI for ISO ball and he ate up the clock and threw it out when he did not get the look he wanted. Lonzo rushed a shot so not sure if he thought it was later in the clock or not. It appeared everyone was standing around waiting for BI to take the shot. Not sure how he air-balled the final shot when it got back to him.
The offense is vastly improved over a few weeks ago in terms of overall efficiency, but as the team offense has improved (which has coincided with Zion taking the reins) Ingram has not seen a consistent improvement despite a lot of the offensive load being taken off his shoulders.
It's absolutely true that the team has to try and make things easier for him, but he also has to make things easier for himself. He is, right now, refusing to do that, for whatever reason you want to choose to explain it.
Also, I absolutely do not believe Ingram is ''the guy''. Never have. Unless he can get out of his own head, probably never will.
Why y’all scared to ask for more when people suck? Y’all had no problem being on Zion’s ****** when his defense was horrendous. What’s different with these other players?
— L✨ (@LAWard_) February 18, 2021
My argument is basically this. Ingram's getting paid $28m, if it's fair to get hyperbolic and whiny about the 20 year old's defense when he's 30 or 40 games into his career (he's improved over the last 10 or so quite a lot) then it's fair to get on the 5 year vet max contract guy for consistently committing a one-man killing spree against our own offense.
The Pels made the right trade, but this team misses Jrue's lockdown D. The guards made Dame's life too easy.
It's that the Hornets unashamedly quit so quickly in Game 4 after fans in New Orleans showed up this season with greater regularity than the team could have ever dreamed, shaming misinformed know-it-alls like me who kept telling you that local residents couldn't possibly invest their time and money into something as trivial as rooting for the local basketball team while still recovering from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina. - Mark Stien ESPN
Stan Van Gundy on final #Pelicans possession: "We tried to get into a two-man game with our two best players (Zion and Ingram). Didn't get much out of it. We got two shots down the stretch, probably not the ones we'd like to get."
— Jim Eichenhofer (@Jim_Eichenhofer) February 18, 2021
Is Stan covering his mistake with this? Watching that last play it looked nothing like a designed two many game with BI and Zion. Zion did not appear to be part of the play at all.
It's not even about accepting that your not the guy, but realizing that if it isn't your night and somebody else is having a better game, give them the $%$#% ball.
2 games ago it was Hart who was having a great game. Its recognizing this is a team sport and not trying to be the savior every time.
That's what it seems like to me. The only way that you can believe they were trying to run a 2 man game with Zion involved is if you believe Ingram went 100% AWOL and choseto just freeze Zion out, cause the play did not look a thing like Zion was supposed to be involved.
So either Stan's covering his own mistake by pretending they ran something they didn't, or he's being honest and Ingram just decided it was Ingram Time. Your choice. Who knows, maybe both?
Lol of course.
Last year clutch numbers...
Lebron James 35% floor, 16% 3 pt, AST% 57%, TS% 44%
James Harden 36% floor, 25% 3 pt, AST% 31%, TS% 59%
Damian Lillard 40% floor, 33% 3 pt, AST% 39%, TS% 56%
Brandon Ingram 33% floor, 25% 3 pt, AST% 20%, TS% 45%
Kawhi Leonard 39% floor, 14% 3 pt, AST% 28%, TS% 54%
So some of those "pretty bad" numbers are the same or better than some maxed out seasoned vets. And that was during his 1st true breakout year. So obviously, as I said, he has to adjust to being played more aggressively this year.
But you do you.
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At what point in the second half did Bledsoe come of the game. I see he only played 23 minutes and JJ was in late in the game offensively.
Lmao at you deciding to prove your point that Ingram is actually good in the clutch by listing him in a lineup where he has the 2nd worst TS% and by far the worst AST%. Like, the only guy with a worse TS% is worse by only 1% and has an AST% almost 3x Ingram's. Everyone else, he's worse than in both TS% and AST% by a minimum of 8%.
Gotcha.
And that's before we realise that Ingram's actually been even worse than that so far this year, as mentioned before; 39%TS and 4.5%AST this season so far in clutch minutes.
He touched it first. Got the ball with 13 seconds and got completely clamped. Then passed out cause he was locked up and forced a bad shot on Zo. Got the ball back and missed a wide open JJ twice while looking at the floor thinking he was going to do his best Kobe impression. You need the replay?
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