Pelicans want Steven Adams

[AusPel]

Sure but at the same time you can't hold them as sacred. The vast vast vast majority of 2nd round picks result in literally nothing for the team that uses them. There are exceptions but they're rare. And while they're often available, teams very rarely successfully pick up guys who are strong starter calibre players in the late first round.

I get wanting to be sensible, and I agree that picks have value and you shouldn't be silly about them, but if you get yourself to the point where you're refusing to trade a 2024 second rounder in a deal for a starter calibre player then you're being sillier than Danny Ainge has ever been about assets, and we all know how much he gets clowned.

As long as Beal doesn't come onto the market half way through the season and Presti doesn't pounce with our assets as his competitive advantage I should be good

[JJackisangry]

I absolutely love Steven Adams and I think he is miles better than Asik, but I agree that we overpayed- possibly by a lot. If we had rid ourselves of Bledsoe?s deal, you can make the argument that we shed salary and the deal is at least a bit more neutral.

I can at least get behind this deal because I love the guy. This will however be one of those moments where I judge Griffin harshly if it backfires. I am assuming we have a plan of some sort in place that hasn?t come together yet. A year rental for Adams considering our standing in the league atm is just stupidity. There has to be more to it.

[Pelicanidae]

People panicking about us giving up a 2023 late first and some seconds, it's wild

[Pelicanidae]

Zion and Steven Adams is literally the handshake meme lmao https://t.co/4rAGEtPiGf pic.twitter.com/5LbOSVlL76

— Trenton Jocz (@TrentonJocz) November 21, 2020

[JJackisangry]

People panicking about us giving up a 2023 late first and some seconds, it's wild

People are skeptical. Big difference. At least be fair here

[Taker597]

I absolutely love Steven Adams and I think he is miles better than Asik, but I agree that we overpayed- possibly by a lot. If we had rid ourselves of Bledsoe’s deal, you can make the argument that we shed salary and the deal is at least a bit more neutral.

I can at least get behind this deal because I love the guy. This will however be one of those moments where I judge Griffin harshly if it backfires. I am assuming we have a plan of some sort in place that hasn’t come together yet. A year rental for Adams Considering our standing in the league atm is just stupidity. There has to be more to it.

Okay, I been pretty clear on this... Nobody wants Bledsoe unless it's a last resort option..

I'm not saying we will be stuck with him, but he isn't leaving till when free agency starts to get really tight with teams that are feeling the pressure.

We do need to extend Adams, but his paycut will force him to test the free agent waters. Even then... He's probably gone unless we overpay for him.

Maybe he'll take a GTD deal extension of maybe 17 million a year, but that's 8 million drop off from 25 million per year that he gad in his last deal.

If Horford is getting paid. Adams agent isn't going to take a paycut till he sees the market himself. Which can really burn him. 3+1 68 million may be looked as a safer deal in the midst of all this uncertainty with Covid, but you can't predict what an agent may feel.

Especially, when a bunch of role players get 20 million deals.

You can argue that the cap space will tighten up next year, tho.

[luigi modelo]

People panicking about us giving up a 2023 late first and some seconds, it's wild

Wild!

[hornetzplaya]

People panicking about us giving up a 2023 late first and some seconds, it's wild

Lol that's why I gave up on the argument. If it works? Cool. If it doesn't? Gone next year.

[JJackisangry]

Okay, I been pretty clear on this... Nobody wants Bledsoe unless it's a last resort option..

I'm not saying we will be stuck with him, but he isn't leaving till when free agency starts to get really tight with teams that are feeling the pressure.

We do need to extend Adams, but his paycut will force him to test the free agent waters. Even then... He's probably gone unless we overpay for him.

Maybe he'll take a GTD deal extension of maybe 17 million a year, but that's 8 million drop off from 25 million per year that he gad in his last deal.

If Horford is getting paid. Adams agent isn't going to take a paycut till he sees the market himself. Which can really burn him. 3+1 68 million may be looked as a safer deal in the midst of all this uncertainty with Covid, but you can't predict what an agent may feel.

Especially, when a bunch of role players get 20 million deals.

You can argue that the cap space will tighten up next year, tho.

Nobody wants him which is why we would send OKC picks as compensation. Instead, we just made a straight swap with expirings. Everyone and their mother thought Bledsoe was going in this deal before the details were released because it made more sense. Expirings for an expiring that will be difficult to extend is not worth parting with picks for. Maybe if we were a perennial playoff team.

[AusPel]

Okay, I been pretty clear on this... Nobody wants Bledsoe unless it's a last resort option..

I'm not saying we will be stuck with him, but he isn't leaving till when free agency starts to get really tight with teams that are feeling the pressure.

We do need to extend Adams, but his paycut will force him to test the free agent waters. Even then... He's probably gone unless we overpay for him.

Maybe he'll take a GTD deal extension of maybe 17 million a year, but that's 8 million drop off from 25 million per year that he gad in his last deal.

If Horford is getting paid. Adams agent isn't going to take a paycut till he sees the market himself. Which can really burn him. 3+1 68 million may be looked as a safer deal in the midst of all this uncertainty with Covid, but you can't predict what an agent may feel.

Especially, when a bunch of role players get 20 million deals.

You can argue that the cap space will tighten up next year, tho.

Adams last contract is fairly irrelevant, it's definitely not acting as a baseline he should negotiate off this time

[JJackisangry]

Lol that's why I gave up on the argument. If it works? Cool. If it doesn't? Gone next year.

And 3 less picks for nothing. Awesome. And yes I hope this deal pans out. Skepticism here is very fair though

[hornetzplaya]

And 3 less picks for nothing. Awesome. And yes I hope this deal pans out. Skepticism here is very fair though

Ooooooook brother.

[AusPel]

Another reason not to poo poo this years seconds. Could trade them back like did this year

[JJackisangry]

Ooooooook brother.

It?s as if you can?t handle a differing opinion or something.

[hornetzplaya]

It?s as if you can?t handle a differing opinion or something.

I've made my points. You've made your points. We agree to disagree.

[JJackisangry]

I've made my points. You've made your points. We agree to disagree.

That is more like it.

Anyways, a lot will depend on what other moves we make this season and next. I?m glad we brought this guy in personally. However, I hope there is a better plan in place than “he is a mentor for Hayes and he brings a winning culture.” There very likely is.

[Pelicanidae]

I've made my points. You've made your points. We agree to disagree.

Yeah, if you say ''it's three picks for nothing!'' and I say ''it's three picks that are highly likely to result in nothing anyway based on the historical data for at least one year of a very very good player with the potential to extend later if circumstances are right, and even if we don't extend him we end up with $30m of cap space'' and you respond ''but it's three picks!'' then what else am I supposed to say?

Conversation's over.

[hornetzplaya]

Yeah, if you say ''it's three picks for nothing!'' and I say ''it's three picks that are highly likely to result in nothing anyway based on the historical data for at least one year of a very very good player with the potential to extend later if circumstances are right, and even if we don't extend him we end up with $30m of cap space'' and you respond ''but it's three picks!'' then what else am I supposed to say?

Conversation's over.

Lol pretty much.

[13 - 3]

I think this is what big trade MM was talking about. He was right. I like the move.

[AusPel]

What's the bet OKC aggregates the Cleveland and Washington picks to move into the 1st round

Could probably get up to 3rd overall

[AusPel]

I think this is what big trade MM was talking about. He was right. I like the move.

lol no

[ragincaucasian]

Adams gives this team some toughness. We have no real alpha males on this team. Jrue was a super nice guy, almost to a fault. We got a good veteran player at a position of Absolute need that will put you on your ****** if you mess with him or his teammates. I love this move.

Plus he looks like Aquaman.

[JJackisangry]

Yeah, if you say ''it's three picks for nothing!'' and I say ''it's three picks that are highly likely to result in nothing anyway based on the historical data for at least one year of a very very good player with the potential to extend later if circumstances are right, and even if we don't extend him we end up with $30m of cap space'' and you respond ''but it's three picks!'' then what else am I supposed to say?

Conversation's over.

I mentioned the 3 picks for nothing because he acted dismissively towards the move as if we didn?t lose any assets. Those picks can be used to facilitate another deal. We would have shed that salary space regardless of acquiring Adams or not so that point is null and void. All we gain is a good player on an expiring. That is fine. If you believe the value is there, so be it. I don?t think we should be throwing picks around willy nilly. We?ll see how it pans out.

[AusPel]

I mentioned the 3 picks for nothing because he acted dismissively towards the move as if we didn?t lose any assets. Those picks can be used to facilitate another deal. We would have shed that salary space regardless of acquiring Adams or not so that point is null and void. All we gain is a good player on an expiring. That is fine. If you believe the value is there, so be it. I don?t think we should be throwing picks around willy nilly. We?ll see how it pans out.

Agreed. You don't see Sam Presti chucking picks around willy nilly. He respects them too much

[JJackisangry]

Agreed. You don't see Sam Presti chucking picks around willy nilly. He respects them too much

All I can say is this can’t be it. I expect another move in the works. My initial reaction- I’m hesitant specifically because we didn’t move Bledsoe. We very easily could be preparing something big and then this deal makes more sense.