That's definitely true. It's rare to see someone quite so definitively boom or bust. He's either going to be a star or he's gonna be Dragan Bender.Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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That's definitely true. It's rare to see someone quite so definitively boom or bust. He's either going to be a star or he's gonna be Dragan Bender.
Basketball.
THIS!!!!!!
The fact that he's 6'8" worries me. I know teams like Houston are heading that way but I want a big playing C.
I think wingspan and bulk play a part in this as well. Someone like PJ Tucker for example is 6'6 but can play centre well and defend well at that position anyway because he's got a huge wingspan and he's absurdly strong and has a low centre of gravity.
Watching Tillman this year has been a masterclass in knowing your length and your body and using it right. He's ridiculously strong, always in the right place, is lengthy, has great hands, etc.
A perfect example of how this can work in the NBA is, as much as we hate to say it given this year, Derrick Favors. Favors spent years for the Jazz as one of the best rim protectors in the league as well as a lethal PnR guy on offense with Ingles, despite being 6'9. The 7'3 wingspan and the strength offset all that for him.
Tillman has that similar frame and build, except he's a lot younger, his back hasn't exploded like Favors' has, and he's also much better at defending in space.
Dae....
Would you put together a package that included LB and our #1 to move up to get Avdija?
Last edited by As I See It; 08-04-2020 at 09:03 PM.
Absolutely not haha. I like Deni a decent amount, and I think he deserves the spot he's probably going to get somewhere between 6 and 10, but he's got real issues, just like Lonzo does, and given Lonzo's synergy with Zion it would take more than just Lonzo's own value to move him.
Deni actually has a decent amount in common with Lonzo when you think about it. Both are good defenders with plus physical attributes who struggle a bit on screens and are prone to lapses off ball. Both are really good transition passers whose lack of burst and advanced handle limits them in the halfcourt. Both can shoot but have suboptimal mechanics that make them very inconsistent. Neither are good at the FT line.
Deni has the advantage of being larger, but not actually by that much given Lonzo's large frame for a guard.
They aren't interchangeable, Lonzo's definitely the superior passer and probably the better 1v1 defender as well, while Deni has better team defense instincts, but there's no way I'd be adding assets to a Lonzo trade to get Avdija.
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Houston have the shooters to make it work. If it wasn't for Harden being a great shooter and ISO guy it wouldn't work with Tucker and Covington at C. Both Covington and Tucker also have a 3 point shot, which I don't think Tillman has yet.
My point isn't that Tillman is PJ Tuckerit's just that one can be slightly shorter than normal and still be fully capable of defending like a big.
Tillman isn't a shooter but frankly, do we need him to be? Obviously in a perfect world, we would have a stretch 5, but remember that within the context of this discussion we're talking about replaying Favors with Tillman. Favors can't shoot either, so it's not a loss for Tillman to be a none-shooter. The question is what does Tillman add.
- Youth
- Health
- PnR offense
- Perimeter defense/defense in space
- On ball passing/creation utility
All of that is an upgrade to me.
Let’s say we get pick 10. Would you trade JJ Redick, pick 10, and one of the Laker picks to the Warriors to get Anthony Edwards? Imagine the Warriors getting JJ to come off the bench next year. Talk about splash triplets lol. I would think the Warriors want to get back to the top ASAP and a vet like JJ coming off the bench would possibly be more beneficial than a highly drafted rookie. Plus they would still get a top 10 pick anyway to fill more of a need and a late 1st in a future draft.
C: Hayes
PF: Zion
SF: Ingram
SG: Edwards
PG: Ball
That’s a nice young and fun squad to watch grow up together.
No.
First of all, the Warriors probably don't make that move. Klay and Curry are both older than optimal and both coming off major injuries. They need to seriously start looking at adding youth themselves: trading a potential top 3 pick for a 37 year old is the absolute opposite of what they should do in their situation.
Second of all, you don't move multiple first round picks to move up in this draft, especially when you're also sending out a positive impact player like Redick; it's a horrible value move, nobody in this draft is worth that much draft capital.
If we get the #10 pick we should just keep it and draft Maxey or Pokusevski or someone.
Assuming I can find a fool to fall for it, I would trade our # 1 and Ball in heartbeat for a chance to get Avdija. Otherwise I agree with you.
watching Ball in these playoffs got me thinking PG as opposed to wing: Kira Lewis would be a nice pick
my only pause with Kira are the turnovers and defense. having nightmares about those right now. But he is really really talented.
Kira is an odd duck.
He's younger than most sophomores, has some promise as a shooter, and he's really fast.
On the other hand, there are plenty of criticisms: you give them.
I like him, wouldn't draft him top 10.
i hear ya. but he's the best PG that will be there at our pick
I want no part of Cole ANthony!!!!!!!
tyrell terry is pretty damn good too
Maxey will be there probably, and I might well take Maxey over Kira.
As for Cole, I actually think he's going to surprise some people. He was so good in high school and EYBL, and then he went to a college system that was the worst possible situation for him and then got injured.
If he can recover in terms of health, I think a lot of people who only saw his college play will be confused by how much better he'll look in the NBA. That said, I still wouldn't take him top 10.
I think I'm going to get my mind ready for either RJ Hampton or Pokusevski to be our guy at 11th or 10th.
I would throw in Okoro, but not sure where he'll land.
Last edited by Taker597; 08-09-2020 at 07:15 PM.
I love Okoro but I think he's one of the most fit dependent players in this draft. If he goes to some team that tries to make him a spot up 3 and D guy, he will fail. He's not that much of a shooter.
If he goes somewhere that has some shooters and is willing to give him some reps on-ball from time to time, I think he'll look much better.
I don't think fit would matter for us. We would be drafting him as defensive specialist. He would would be more role player than starter for us. I see him being a great pick, because we will have to clean out our bench. Ingram won't have a back up. If we get a more balanced coach. He would be a safe pick for someone want to improve the defense. I'm not a fan of double wing sets without an elite shooter, but it's an option. RJ requires subtraction at the position. Poku is a gamble.
This fella Aaron Nesmith looks good.
Really good shooter, mediocre passer, okay defender.
If you like Aaron Nesmith, please look up Desmond Bane, who is arguably one of only a handful of better shooters in all of college basketball, but who is also a better defender and more versatile player.
Just BTW. I'm pretty sure our lottery spot is stuck at 13. Unless PHX or SAS make it. In which case we'll be 12th.
Hopefully our guy doesn't go where we would draft if bubble games counted towards the lottery position.
We are tied with Sacto at 12. There will be a coin flip and one of us will be 12, the other 13. Unless PHX or SA makes the playoffs and yes we can move up one
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