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for 2019 Beal had a 114.4 defensive rating. For example Lavine had a 114.8, Jrue had a 112.5
Defensive rating simply shows how many points a player allows per 100 possessions. ... Defensive rating also eliminates factors like pace of play and minutes played per game. It is also important to note that as opposed to most other basketball stats, lower numbers are better when it comes to defensive rating.
Last edited by Pels4Life; 06-14-2019 at 05:00 PM.
BI, Zion, and CJ had a net rating of +3 when on the court together. BI and Zion had a +13.4, BI and CJ had a +13.2, Zion and CJ was just +5.4.
BI and Zion worked. BI and CJ worked. It was CJ and Zion and all three together that didn't work.
Ok cool.
And my tone wasn't condescending or mocking. I really don't watch Eastern conference much so don't know Beal and Lavine well.
here is the link btw used for defensive rating: https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?...tOrder=1&opp=0
Defensive rating can be a good metric, and it's definitely worth looking at. If someone has a DRTG of 150, then you can safely assume they're a bad defender. If their DRTG is 90, you can safely assume they're a very good defender. But the middle space can be a little unclear, because as you say, it doesn't account for matchups and it also doesn't account for the quality of the defensive team around you. If you're on a very good defensive team, you can have a pretty good defensive rating even if you're a fairly poor defender. Similarly, as Jrue suffers, you can be a very good individual defender whose defensive rating suffers because you're constantly in lineups with god-awful defenders around you.
So other good places to look include on-off numbers.
Jrue was a +14.5 when he was on the court. That's because our team's offensive rating was +8.6 when he was on the court, and opposing team's was -5.9 from their average.
Beal was a +2 on the court, because although his team was +6.5 with him on the court, the opposing team was also +4.5 on their average. So you can see, he doesn't contribute to team defense the way Jrue does.
For comparison, Lavine was a +2.7, because his team was +3.0 with him on the court, and the opposing team was only +0.3.
Again, not a perfect metric either. A good example of a problem here would be that Bull's opponents only got +0.3 better with Lavine on the floor, but part of that is because their averages were already jacked up playing against Chicago, who are a terrible defensive team anyway. Not much room to get better.
There aren't 'great' defensive metrics, sadly, since offense is what so many people focus on. But it's pretty clear that Beal is a plus on the court, but not a great defender. Lavine is also a plus on the court, but isn't a great defender. Jrue Holiday is Jesus.
After looking at the defensive ratnigs from last season I'm going to go ahead and say that stat is pretty worthless.
Look at this list and convince me it isn't.
https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?...0&opp=0&page=3
Example of why:
Jrue is 112.5
Brandon Ingram 112.3
Kyle Kuzma 112.2
Julius Randle 112.1
Dame 112
Stephen Curry 110.1
Jaylen Brown 108.6
Harden at 108 LOL
Kyrie at 107.9
Tatum 107.4
Smart 107.1
Rubio 106.5
Kawhi 105.2
AD 105
Westbrook 103
The lower the number the better. This is not a complete list. Tell me again how Westbrook is a better defender than all of those guys above him?
Seems this is only useful when considered in context with team defense.
Like, I said, defensive rating isn't perfect. It does generally give a decent indication, but it's pretty murky in the middle.
A good place to look is on-off numbers.
Equally, if you visit nba.com and look at individual players, you can see who they were defending primarily throughout the year and what those opponents shot when guarded by them.
Example:
Jrue Holiday guarded Kevin Durant for 42 possessions last year, giving up a total of 12 points. That's very good. He also guarded Jimmy Butler for 32 possessions, giving up 8.5 points. Again, very good.
By contrast, Lavine guarded Damyean Dotson for 60 possessions last season, his most guarded opponent, and gave up 19 points. He also guarded Avery Bradley for 48 possessions and gave up 21 points.
Of course, this is still not perfect, because the metrics can sometimes miss a couple of plays, or there can be ambiguity over who is the primary defender sometimes, and there's help to consider. Still, gives a good general indication.
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The only thing about LaVine is that I do not like the players that Minnesota develops. They just seem so soft with no killer instinct or defensive intensity or accountability when Weedplate Wiggins, Tinman Towns, Zack where together. They where just so passive and not hungry.
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Yeah. Jrue really is absolutely fantastic. His on-off numbers are astronomical. +14.5 is insane.
If you compare his +14.5 with some other superstar calibre players, this is what you get:
Giannis Antetokoumnpo: +9.6
James Harden: +9.7
Lebron James: +8.1
Kevin Durant: +16.8
Damian Lillard: 14.6
Kawhi Leonard: +5.5
So you can see, Jrue's actual on-court impact for this team is right up there with the best of the best.
Last edited by Pelicanidae; 06-14-2019 at 05:49 PM.
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