Nah, I think he's saying that if we won a different number of games, it just wouldn't matter because they'd be running the lottery again and we could always luck out from a different position.Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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Nah, I think he's saying that if we won a different number of games, it just wouldn't matter because they'd be running the lottery again and we could always luck out from a different position.
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— ZIONOLA (@ReasonablePels) June 11, 2019
The New Orleans Pelicans have agreed to trade Anthony Davis and E’Twaun Moore to the Boston Celtics for Jayson Tatum, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, and two future first round picks, per sources.
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''per sources''.
Sounds legit.
This is hilarious coming from the person that made this comment...
Have you ever heard of the concept of arguing in good faith? I have to ask, since you seem extremely determined to avoid doing it at all costs.
Saying we wouldn’t have gotten Zion if we traded AD in February is literally unprovable and unknown.
By your same logic and the theories of time travel - you change one thing, you change everything.
If your point is that ultimately it doesn’t matter because we got Zion, I don’t disagree!
Already accepted the fact that I phrased it poorly, and re-clarified. My point was that if you change anything you have to re-run the lottery again, and since the odds of us getting Zion the first time were so miniscule and we lucked out, the odds of us running it all over again and STILL getting Zion are so miniscule as to be considered, for practical purposes, pretty close to 0%.
Do you believe in God?
What about destiny?
What about Adam Silver?
At the time they were traded, did you think Buddy or Oladipo had a ceiling as a player, higher than Lonzo or Ingram have now?
Don't believe in God, don't really believe in destiny, don't think Silver rigged it.
I accept I could totally be wrong on that last one: maybe Silver did rig it. But I don't think so.
Buddy? I don't remember. I don't think I was super high on him, but I can't remember whether I thought he was going to settle and improve, or whether I thought he was just gonna stay being kinda meh.
Oladipo though, definitely. I totally believed that he had disappointed due to playing alongside Russ, who was on his triple-double-quest and didn't care about teammates or winning, and I argued that he was a much, MUCH better player than he was being given the chance to show. Then he went to Indiana, and it turns out I was right on that one.
Y'all see Brandon Ingram's Instagram story?
Nah not everyone is on instagram. Do share though
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Nope, what is it?
I maybe grasping at straws but it's certainly interesting given the timing.
It's just a picture that says "U Don't Owe Anyone ****"
Could be relevant. Could also be unrelated, or it could be his commentary on the Durant thing (you don't owe anyone to play, look, Durant played when he wasn't healthy and now see what happened), but it's worth noting anyway.
Now this is the gossip I live for. Good work detective
Hilariously enough, I’d believe there could be something behind this before I’d believe in 99 percent of media speculation. I love when the social media detective squad is let loose
Remember, AD is still working out with Jrue and Frank Jackson.
AD to resign in NOLA?!?!?!?!???!!!
YEESSSS MORREEE!!!!! I LIVE FOR THE PSYCHOANALYSIS
This should not come as a surprise. Very little enthusiasm around the league for Knicks' young prospects. https://t.co/eXSWWZyrW4
— Howard Beck (@HowardBeck) June 11, 2019
I can't believe Alonzo Trier's spacing isn't doing it for them
Last edited by NMThreeMVP; 06-11-2019 at 08:06 PM.
Not surprising to anyone. We had the leaks from Woj that pretty much confirmed this when he said that Griff is asking other teams to get a third team involved to sweeten deals.
Knicks have promising young players in Robinson and Trier, but Knox, Ntilikina, and DSJ are not viewed highly around the league. If the Knicks want this deal, they'll have to try and flip Knox and Ntilikina into a decent player, or into a high value pick.
Am I nuts for thinking that maybe Orlando could be a team to consider as a third party in the NYC deal?
They were pretty high on DSJ around draft time from all reports. They were linked to him multiple times earlier this season when he was being shopped by Dallas, and they still desperately need a lead guard (their current full time starting PG is DJ Augustin, who is 31, barely 6'0 tall, and is on the decline).
If that's true, maybe they could be roped in to provide the additional draft capital for an AD trade? Maybe re-rout DSJ and a future pick (possibly a Dallas pick) to Orlando in exchange for #16 and one of their young guys?
Maybe I'm just pipe-dreaming here, they probably wouldn't be that interested and I'm not sure why of the Magic young bigs I'd want. Mo Bamba? Jonathan Isaac?
The Knicks would have to trade DSJ, Knox and trier, for an all star, but who would that all star be? Would the wizards trade Beal for that? Then you draft Barrett and land Mitchell Robinson als, and get the Dallas pick next year
Wonder if we could get oladipo instead of Beal for that, love his defense
Jrue
Beal or oladipo
Barret
Zion
Robinson
Dallas pick next year
That's not necessarily true. Griff was fairly clear that the all-star would become less necessary if the depth of the supporting cast or the quality of the picks increased. Similarly, the quality of the picks becomes less important if there's a legit, full on all-star on the table.
The Knicks could pretty easily, I think, offer the deepest pick-based trade out of anyone. They could, if they wanted, offer their own picks in 2019, 2020, 2022, and the Dallas 2021 and 2023, without even having to make any moves. Only Boston could really come close to that, but they only have one pick from another team for future years (the Memphis 2020/2021 pick). They could also bolster the strength of their player core by packaging one or two of those picks with someone like Knox for another solid roleplayer, or a young player with high upside, while still maintaining probably the best set of picks.
In terms of players, Boston is the clear favourite there: Tatum and Brown are the two best prospects from any of the major teams, so the fact that they don't really have the best draft capital is less of a problem.
LA falls somewhere in the middle. Their players aren't as good as Boston's, but they're better than most of the Knicks guys (Ingram and Ball are better than Knox and Ntilikina, for example), but their array of picks is clearly inferior to New York's as well. So that's a kind of tricky position for them.
How do we know Robinson and Trier have any value around the league? Both had somewhat serious off court red flags coming into the league. Robinson also fouls at a rate that would embarrass Ajinca.
The reason I wanted the Knicks deal back in February was about accumulating the draft pick with the highest probability of getting Zion. Now that we have Zion, I don't really see anything of value in the Knicks package unless you love RJ.
I really find it kind of embarrassing when people bring up Robinson's foul rate as if that's somehow some huge point. He's a 20 year old big. He fouls. So do pretty much all of them.
Per 100, Mitchell Robinson averages 7.7 fouls.
In his rookie year, Draymond Green averaged 7.6 fouls per 100. Rudy Gobert, 6.9. DeAndre Jordan, 6.5.
Rookie Andrew Bynum fouled 8.7 times per 100. Rookie Mark Eaton, 7.5. Rookie Ben Wallace, 7.1.
Rookie bigs with defensive games foul a lot. It's fine.
About Trier? I don't know. I can imagine he'd have some value, since he was a double digit scorer who shot very well from 3, which is pretty much always something people are on the lookout for. Can't guarantee it though, haven't heard anything about him being sought after or about him being disliked.
Last edited by Pelicanidae; 06-11-2019 at 09:19 PM.
This is beyond stupid.
You cannot sit here and still say we should have traded AD at deadline when by not trading him we won the lottery. No one can actually believe that.
Last edited by Mythrol; 06-11-2019 at 09:14 PM.
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