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It’s a year old article but you get the idea
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/...in-201819.html
Another interesting article.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/2...ed-kobe-bryant
Pels fans: “trade AD”
— Tyler (@TMDillo5) June 11, 2019
Griff: “I hired Swin Cash”
Pels fans: “That’s great! Trade AD now”
Griff: “I just ordered a bunch of flex tape off of amazon”
Pels fans: “ummmm”
Griff: “I’m learning origami!”
Lakers: AD
Suns: Lonzo, Kuzma
Wizards: 4th pick, 6th pick, Hart, Wagner
Pels: Beal, Ingram, Lakers 2020, 2022 1st rounders unprotected
Who says no?
Me. Don't want any parts of Ingram. Send him to the Wizards, I'll take Hart and the #6 instead.
Edit: still don't really like that deal either, but the Lakers assets suck. Their young guys are either incapable of playing half of the game (Lonzo) or are one bad air-line flight away from retirement (Ingram), so I don't want any of them.
Ok. Then suppose the Wizards take Ingram and we get the 6th pick. Would you do it then?
Lakers: AD
Suns: Lonzo, Kuzma
Wizards: 4th pick, Ingram, Hart, Wagner
Pels: Beal, 6th pick overall, Lakers 2020, 2022 1st rounders unprotected
Edit, I didn't fully read your post.
Starting to get a little antsy with this chatter about how none of the other stars got value. Clippers, Celtics, Knicks wouldn't be interested now, etc. The fact of course remains we don't know what's going to happen.
I honestly think the KD injury makes the Knicks more desperate to get AD, not less. I get that their plan was to combine AD and KD together for an instant contender, and a lot of people feel like KD getting hurt completely scuppers that plan, so I understand why some people would think otherwise.
But for me, losing out on KD now makes AD a must-get for them. They have no backup plan. Kyrie's shown strong signs of heading to Brooklyn instead of NY (still no guarantee), and since KD is injured, AD is their last real shot at a legitimate superstar. They miss out on him, they probably have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for someone like Vucevic, who is good but isn't going to ignite playoff hopes for the franchise. Next free agency doesn't really have as many chances at superstars either, it's a lot drier. For NYC, it's this year, or accept another multiple dead-years. AD is their last hope, their last piece that could lure other stars in (Kyrie, Kemba, Butler), and their last chance to sell the fanbase on moving forward.
Add to that the fact that apparently AD's list is now just LA and NY, and NY have to at least think he'd be open to resigning there, since he keeps naming them.
So basically Buddy and Oladipo were better than people thought they would be and so now we’re saying those were good deals? But you’re completely discounting that 3 dudes under 23 who have been playing for a crappy franchise could get better if they’re traded here, along with the #4 pick, and future draft picks?
Y’all are funny.
I agree. The Knicks has been selling the fanbase a star. I think they knew KD was coming. So now they have to come through. Trading for Davis may put them ahead of Brooklyn for Irving services. And KD is still on the table. They could still go into next season with Irving, Davis, and Durant under contract.
Fine, let me rephrase it with all caveats in place.
''The way things went, we got extremely lucky, and ended up with Zion. Any other combination of the ping-pong balls falling in another way would have NOT got us Zion. The odds of us getting Zion in the lottery were extremely small. If we had traded AD in February, there is pretty much no question that us and the other team would have had different records. NY would have still sucked but they wouldn't have been 17 wins. We would have still sucked, but we wouldn't have had the same record we ended up with. Given the extreme unlikelihood of us getting the pick we have under even the circumstances we got it, it seems silly to wish we had done something differently which would have altered our chances, even by only one or two spots, and prevented us from acquiring the single best NBA prospect out of college in over a decade.''
How's that? Pedantic enough?
I'm saying those deals worked out pretty well in the long run.
I've never ''discounted'' the idea that Ball or Ingram could get better. We have had this argument dozens of times on this board. Every single time, whether it's with you, or 13-3, or GA25, or whichever bad-faith arguer decides not to bother actually reading what I've written before flipping their lids, I have to explain YET AGAIN that I totally understand that Ingram, or Ball, or Kuzma, or Josh Hart, or Moe flippin' Wagner, COULD end up improving in the future. In fact, MULTIPLE TIMES I have clarified that I expect certain improvements from certain players (I EXPECT Ingram to improve as a rebounder, for example).
I've also said that IF we were to end up with those players I would desperately hope that they prove me wrong and play well, because I want this team to be good, and I would be HAPPY to be wrong in those circumstances.
Please, please, I am begging you, argue with things I've actually said, or for approaches I've actually taken, rather than just making up stuff to get upset with.
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