Tatum wouldn't mind being the future face of a franchise? Yes. YES!
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Tatum wouldn't mind being the future face of a franchise? Yes. YES!
You're right, of course, but just as you could easily say that in several years, we could be in the worst position in the NBA, you could also easily say we'll be in the best.
For example: If we're in the worst place in the NBA in the next 5 years, how? Well, we could trade all our first round picks for trash players (Hill standards), trade AD to the Lakers for Rondo and McGee, trade Jrue for Corey Brewer, and be absolute sewage.
But say we take the NYK trade, get Zion, then he's all he's cracked up to be, Robinson learns how to not foul, DSJ's recent resurgence in NY is legitimate, and Knox becomes more efficient from the floor, the Mavs crash as Porzingis never comes back the same so we get another top 5 pick in 2021. That's best case scenario.
So depending on the luck, we could either be the number 1 or the number 30 team in 5 years. Odds are is that the luck will fall somewhere in the middle of that. We just have to do the best we can executing on our plan. Of course it could go wrong, but it could go wrong for anyone. Next week, Curry's ankles shatter again and then this summer, Klay and KD walk. All of a sudden GS are a lottery team.
Basketball.
It wasn't him talking. It was a report from a guest on Windorhorts podcast.
https://twitter.com/WoahItsHunter/st...045650945?s=19
I don't think that leverages Boston all that much. We wanted him regardless.
Tatum/smart and pick number 8-16 vs knox/ dsj and pick number 1-3 vs lakers/ suns 3 way us getting TJ Warren/ Kuzma pick 1-3
Am I way off with these? Of course other mid/late round picks can be included but at the core is this what we are leveraging? If not, what is better?
You're saying the value difference between pick 1 and 2/3 are so wide that the value of the total package is totally changes. I guess to reset the question, eliminate pick one and make it 2 or 3 only. Zion is clearly not a part of the Boston scenario.
I guess I'm asking IF Zion in not on the table for Knicks or Lakers either, who offers the best core value?
For me mixing in a bunch of other role players doesn't help anything. Trading Davis for the highest return with the least number of players. Like Davis is a 6, and no other 5's or 6's are available to swap. Is it better to target 4+2, 3+2+1, 2+2+2, etc. Just trying to play with how we can assess the value for a return in the most likely scenarios prior to knowing draft position. Like the Lakers last deal was just a whole bunch of 1's and I think that sucks.
Is the Boston deal is 3 Tatum+2 Smart+1 Mid/Late pick?
Knicks 2 Knox + 2 DSJ + 2 Very Early Pick?
I still don't know how to value a Lakers option because it seems clear a 3rd team would need to be involved.
Also be clear, I want Zion and don't really care what else. Just trying to play with the idea he is not an option. I know this is way too convoluted, please send help.
Ex-Lakers forward Michael Beasley is finalizing a deal with .... Guangdong of the Chinese Basketball Association, sources tell ESPN. Short run of two months, significant cash.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) February 19, 2019
Lakers tried to include this dude as a part of the AD trade as if he would be a benefit.
Now he's playing in China, three weeks later.
Listend to Woj podcast with Travis Schlenk. He said Hawks are building with young guys and have built a large asset pool, but at some point you have to consider whether it's smart to use that to trade for a guy.
IMO, the Hawks have the best potential package if they'd offer it, but they wouldn't even consider it unless they could get a commitment from a free agent to join AD. After listening to Schlenk, I do think they are willing to cash in assets.
Collins, Young, Bazemore, and two lottery picks. I'm not sure Smart/Brown/Tatum and 2 non lottery picks beats that.
It's close. I really like Collins. Bazemore does nothing for me, especially at his salary. Young has been playing well. I think Tatum may have the most potential of that bunch, but the combo of Collins and Young is very good. If AD were to consider Atlanta, that would be a nice deal. However, we all know that he won't.
Only reason they offer that is if getting AD gets them a 2nd star. That's the only way. If they have a chance to lock in two All NBA caliber guys in their prime, I think they'd do it. And I don't think AD would leave if he's playing with a co-star he thinks is on his level and he's on one of the top 4 teams in the East.
Collins I think is very much so on par with Tatum. His offensive game is ahead of where AD was at this point in his career, but he's not the rim protector AD was. I think the players are close, the difference for me is the picks and the pair of Collins/Young being costs controlled for a year longer than Brown/Tatum. I also like the flexibility of Bazemore expiring vs being stuck with Smart if he doesn't fit.
If we know anything from our history with AD, it's that he won't be the one bringing in other superstars.
I understand that, and I'm not entirely against an ATL trade, but I think you have to consider the positions they're in.
Boston has a fair likelihood to give up their assets, because getting AD has a very good chance to secure them Kyrie resigning, and that will make them a finals team, as they look to improve on the recent deep playoff success of recent years.
Knicks have a fair likelihood to give up their young guys because getting AD also has a good chance to get them Kyrie due to Kyrie having named them as a preferred destination in the past, and their long-term failures making them desperate to succeed soon: evidence of that includes them trading Porzingis to acquire more assets.
ATL don't really have a good reason. Unlike Boston and NY, they have no reason specifically to think that Kyrie would be particularly interested in going there. They haven't really attracted big name stars in the past, and they haven't signed a superstar in at least 20 years (probably longer but I can't remember). They also only JUST got really really bad, they were solid for a bunch of years in the 2010s so they shouldn't be in any need to rush a rebuild. They have young, promising talent under contract and they aren't really in a desperate spot.
I just can't see ATL being willing to splash out everything right now.
ATL could do this deal and have about $60m in space. I think what you wrote above focuses on kyrie, but Irving doesn't have to be the other superstar. And like I said, they wouldn't do it unless they had a strong sense (like the Knicks in trading KP) that they could attract the right players to pair with AD.
ATL is only willing to do if they feel they can spend that $60m in a way that makes a splash and puts the team around AD to get them deep into the playoffs.
You could be right, I just don't see it happening.
There's only really three superstars on the market this summer, that I can think of.
Kyrie, who is almost guaranteed to go to either Boston or NY
Durant, who is almost guaranteed to either stay in Golden State or go to NY, with an outside shot for Boston
And Jimmy Butler, who will probably resign in Philly.
Are there others I'm forgetting?
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