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Nope. Currently in his 5th season, Wiggins is averaging 17ppg on 39/33/71 splits. He's never shot better than 36% from three. He doesn't rebound, or playmake for others. He's never had a positive net rating in his career, and this season it's -14. His career average PER is 14.1, which is under league average: this year it's 12.1. He's never had a positive BPM, or VORP. He's never had more than 4.2 win shares in a single season (for reference, KAT has 8 win shares so far this season, less than 60 games in). He's actually putting up negative offensive win shares this season. His TS% has only ever once been at league average.
Edit: and how could I forget, he doesn't play any defense at all. This season, opponents shoot better than their averages against him from literally everywhere inside the arc, and they only shoot 1.9% worse on the perimeter. Bad defense for a guy with his height, length, and athletic ability.
You take that guy at number 1 in a draft that includes Joel Embiid, Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Dario Saric, Jusuf Nurkic, Gary Harris, Zach Lavine, Nikola Jokic, Spencer Dinwiddie? Sure there's an argument that that's not a great draft in general, but you could have easily, EASILY done better than Wiggins.
Basketball.
I think you're remembering a little off. He averaged 17ppg last season too. His 23 and 20 point seasons were 2015-16 and 2016-17.
He also shot 45/33/76 splits in that time, still didn't play defense, still had negative BPM, still had a negative VORP, still negative net rating, still-sub-par PER (aside from one year where it was 16.1, which is a little above average), etc.
I repeat: would you say his situation has been worse than KAT's?
Towns had Wiggins in place when he showed up. And the Wolves STILL stunk, because Wiggins didn't make them better, because he isn't very good. I don't care if Wiggins plays 500 straight games, if he plays them badly, then I'd rather have someone else.
I ask about Towns because, in his 4th season (instead of 5th for Wiggins), he's somehow managed to have positive defensive stats, positive win shares every year, positive net ratings, positive BPMs and VORPs, above average PERs, and not shoot like absolute garbage.
Despite having the same team-mates, the same coaches, running the same schemes against the same opposition.
The site must be messing up. I keep clicking on the new GM discussion thread but it brings me to a weird argument about a guy not on our team.
I mean, what analytics do you think matter? Cause KAT does better in literally all of them. He shoots better from three too, and has done basically every year.
I get that you like Wiggins, that's cool. I don't, and I think I have perfectly good reason to dislike his game and his performance. But even if you like Wiggins, you can't pretend he's been a great player, can you? You've got to like him on potential and stuff, cause his career catalogue thus far is pretty disappointing by any measurements.
I dont recall saying great, do you? I said I like him. I like his skill set. I think in an offensive scheme, such as Gentry's, he could be a major cog. You dont like him, I do. No minds are gonna be changed. I'm not as big on the microanalytics as you are. They didnt exist a decade ago, EYE test can go a long way.
I hope I don't need to explain why ''X didn't exist in the past, therefore X can be dismissed'' is a little silly.
I agree that eye tests can go a long way though. Eye test on Wiggins shows that not only can he not play defense, he also doesn't look interested in trying.
I'm perfectly willing to concede that Wiggins might be solid some day. Maybe you're right and he's just waiting for the right scheme. He's not delivered the goods thus far though.
Again, you are playing word salad. Why do you do that? I never said they should be dismissed. I said that I am not into the microanalytics as much as you. Im not sure how or why you conflate the two?
And quite frankly, why it didnt exist is a non-sequitur in this discussion.
I saw this thread had blown up while I wasn't looking. Come back expecting some intense GM discussion... Find an argument about how good of a player Wiggins is. Lol
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My argument against Griffin is simply that I'm not sure how much credit you could give him for what was done because Lebron played such a large role. Maybe he's an amazing GM but they had a ton of #1 overall picks and other assets. He's just really hard to judge for me.
I personally would probably rather a new GM instead of a retread.
It gets worse when you remember that Wiggins wasn't even really a Griffin draft, because he was traded immediately to the Wolves, so he's probably their pick. Which means even the tangential relationship Wiggins had to a potential GM is even smaller than it seemed at first. I think.
Otherwise yeah, that's kind of my point: is he a good GM, or is he just yet another individual whose career got a boost by being in close proximity to Lebron James?
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