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Teams that don't currently have cap space can and will make moves to create cap space if there is a player they want to go after. It happens every year. Hell, we expect the Pelicans to stretch Asik and trade Ajinca to create space if they need to. If someone like the Knicks wants to offer him $25m they'll make the room. You should also add the Kings to your list. And probably the Bucks.Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
The Bucks are going to create a max space for him?
I think players like Jrue are always overpaid in FA. It only takes one team to set the market, and as MM says a player is worth what he's paid. He'll undoubtedly be one of the better players that actually tests the market in what I would classify as a fairly weak FA class.
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Unbelievable. In a close game, Jrue Holiday can't be trusted with the basketball in his hands. Generally, when people say that, they're referring to a player taking the last shot. Not here though. Our point guard and third best player can't even be trusted to advance the ball on an inbounds pass. Seriously. He was better in Philly where there was no pressure to win. Way too SAWFT to be the starting point guard on a playoff contender built around two big men who need to be fed. Gonna hate it when we fork over a ton of money to be stuck with a mentally fragile, marginally talented point guard for the next 5 years.
Never said they are. Only that they could. Monroe and Hawes opting out would put them in the conversation and they've coveted Jrue in the past.
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Jumping ship just like that huh?
I hate giving the money to Jrue as well . But the alternative is to let Jrue walk and now you are facing a challenge where you have to find 2 caliber starting guards and some decent wing help as well with limited cap space . The team is going to be worst off and Cousins will walk next off season then AD will follow him . Right now we two very big holes in starting line up . At PG and SF. Lose Jrue and we have 3 big holes .
We literally have no choice . With all that being said Jrue Holliday isn't a bad player . He is an NBA starting caliber guard . After him we have no one on our roster who is starting caliber guard.
Dell Demps PLEASE get us some scorers!
I didn't realize that Jrue was the ship.
Here is the thing though, you can keep Jrue for $20m. Force his hand. Se if he wants a ring or if he wants to make money. See if he wants to stay here for $20m and work with AD and Boogie to make something real, or if he wants to go to Philly, Brooklyn, or the Suns. And if some other team like the Bucks, NY, or so on wants to make moves for him, so be it, a butterfly flaps its wings in Malaysia and the effects are felt in City Park. If teams make moves to land Jrue, well there is only one Jrue, and he can't go everywhere, so all those players changing teams and we can find our way into a few of those deals.
Jrue isn't the linchpin, and if someone tells you that he is run (not walk) as fast as you can from them because they are no friend of yours.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
Welcome, all of you on that "not paying Jrue big ��" train. I've been expecting you.
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Can't wait to see his article with the alternative/s
Hey remember Lance Stephenson?
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Conley could be moved with ease to half a dozen teams this summer if the Grizzlies wanted.
Do you or anyone think that if you pay Jrue 25 million the same could be said?
That right there is the differentiating factor between the two. Not even touching on who is actually the better player(Conley, by a good margin).
I'm going to hope upon hope Dell can get Bledsoe in a Pelicans uniform next year. I'd even take Rondo. All without having to give up Diallo.
Other than that also hope Jrue finally gets better with a healthy summer for once. Do a few pro ams to get his confidence and handle up.
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Moore shot of 6-9 (1 of 2 from behind the arc) in 28 minutes and played the best defense of anyone on our team. I see him as a starting caliber guard and a decent 4th option for the offense.
I kind of kept my mouth shut since I got a good bit of pushback on the idea, but Moore should be starting at this point, not Frazier.
As frustrated as I am with Jrue at times leading the charge, the numbers are pretty concrete at this point.
The lineup of Cousins, Davis, Hill, Moore, and Jrue has the best net rating of any lineup featuring Davis and Cousins: +16.4. Compared to the Frazier replacing Moore lineup that has gotten the most minutes at only +3.4. Which is actually worse then when we had Hollis Thompson starting with Jrue.
And the Frazier lineup is one that has been trending downward, currently at a negative net rating the last 5 games and the Moore lineup trending way up.
While I think at the time Gentry's motivation to put Frazier in the lineup made sense to build Jrue's confidence up, it no longer does. Which is reminding me of Gentry's stubbornness last season to put Jrue back in the starting lineup with Davis well after the minutes restriction had eased and all the evidence was pointing toward needing to do that.
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im hoping the clippers get swept in the playoffs or close to it..maybe theyll hit the reset button..bring cp3 back home..lebron did it when he realized the young talent he had waiting..imagine what cp3 can do with 3 all stars whom are better than what he had in La
As much as I think it would be a dream pairing, I feel like if CP3 jumps ship it will be to a surefire contender. Like San Antonio or something.
This is the reason you fire your GM and move on. The fact that we are lacking quality and cap space means he's failed 7 years later. I can't think of an example where compounding the situation by handing out a "must" bad contract works out.
No way in hell this team needs Rondo. He is just a problem wherever he goes and only plays when he feels like it. As far as Moore starting, I think too many react to one game. Moore is a good bench player. To start him instead of Frazier does not achieve the goal of playing Jrue off the ball. Moore is very hot and cold and I think some are reacting to a hot game.
Except Mike Conley isn't making 20m a year, he signed a 5 year 153m contract.
The alternative is to agree to a S/T. Sign and trades happen when the original team values the TPE more than the cap space they would get from just letting the player walk, and/or the team wanting to sign the player needs to or wants to unload someone to make the deal work. Both of these things are likely if Jrue's price approaches $25-30m. So the option isn't "just let Jrue walk". It's sign Jrue, let Jrue walk, or agree to a sign and trade that could help Jrue go where he wants and get the Pelicans something in return that helps them replace Jrue.
Also if you let Jrue walk, you'd then have more than enough cap space to approach Boogie about a raise and an extension. Last night Boogie did not sound like someone who was going to let Jrue's decision effect him.
For better or worse, Hill and Moore were our big additions on the wing. The likelihood that we're upgrading either of those positions this summer are slim. The MLE, less than what Hill got paid last offseason and less than what Moore got paid, is not likely to get you a player better than either of those two. Why would it? Maybe you get a specialist, like a 3 pt shooter, but that person is likely going to be a rotation player deficient in other areas of the game like Defense.
Lose Jrue and we have one big hole: Point Guard. Sign Jrue, and we have one big hole: Point Guard.
I don't think Jrue Holiday is so irreplaceable. Jeff Teague (meh) or Patty Mills should cost half as much. It's not just "future flexibility" as in cap space when you forgo Jrue at a huge number. It's staying well below the luxury tax, which opens up access to the full MLE the next couple summers. It's staying well below the tax, so you can make more uneven trades.
I understand the focus on the short term and next season. It's true that the Pelicans will lose some talent if they let Holiday walk. But, his cap number in future summers will really constrain this franchise without a dramatic change in financial approach.
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The real options to replace Jrue will come via trade, IMO. Even without a sign and trade, there should be several guards in the $14-$17m price range that we can trade for. J
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