Originally Posted by Rheem654
Not quite. But I was thinking along the lines of a Bledsoe, Isiah Thomas, or Westbrook type of mentality. Thanks for making me feel better after a frustrating loss.
 |
| . |
|
Contributor
I though we only got the 16 million in space is if Jrues hold came off the books. But whatever, it doesn't matter to me as long as there are scenarios that we can at least explore that don't require us to assume that we have to sign Jrue.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Contributor
Apparently spite is enough reason for that to be acceptable.
You do understand there is such as thing as a team cap don't you?
No 16M is the space we have with the cap going up and players coming off the books.
With Jrue's cap hold coming off we will have more.
Contributor
I was going to say we would go over to get them and just pay the luxury tax, but then I saw that he thinks we can get Melo too.
I wouldn't even want Melo if he wanted to come here.
10 years ago, sure.
You can't do this with free agent signings.
Contributor
Forget Melo entirely.
Is it possible now?
Also, no playoffs? We were bounced?
Jrue Holiday is not in Mike Conley's class. Which says a lot.
Wait..... Hill shot 5-7 from 3. How long has this been going on?
Same caliber player ...
Dell Demps PLEASE get us some scorers!
Unless there is a sign and trade we can absorb CP3.
Forget it.....it ain't happening.
He will get paid this year by the Clippers.
Every 10-15 games he comes out of no where and does something like this
If we have Mike Conley tonight this is a 10 pt W.
Or a clutch W in the least.
And if not the clippers he will go to a definite contender. He isn't taking a pay to play in New Orleans.
Mike Conley isn't worth his contract but the Grizz had no choice because no one is beating down the door to go to Memphis . We are in the exact same situation with Jrue. The Grizz couldn't have replaced Conley
Conley is putting up 20.5 points, 6.5 assists, 1.3 steals, and 2.2 T/O and a PER of 23.
Jrue is at 15.6, 7.2, 1.6, 2.9 T/Os, and a PER of 17.30.
Conley's stat line is worth 20 mil. He's not part of their problems.
Like I said, Conley on this team tonight and this game is a W. Jrue is in a 3rd tier right now not in Conley's class.
Contributor
The situations are the same, but the caliber of players are not. It doesn't necessarily change our reality, but it could.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
His average salary is 30.5m, starting at 26.5m this year and ending at 34.5m in 2020-2021 (when he's 33). He's a better player than Jrue, but he's not worth that much money. Memphis had to overpay, just like we're going to have to overpay Jrue.
Last edited by PelsFan2313; 04-04-2017 at 10:18 PM.
"I'm not going to allow my putative owner to answer that question, this is an NBA related press conference. Paul Tagliabue and Roger Goodell have collectively sung their praises of Tom and if uh ESPN has a problem with that tell Mr. Skipper to call me at my office."
Two words describe Jrue Holiday this season.................erratic and inconsistent. I would not bite the bullet and resign him.
But unlike that Conley situation, who is going to offer Jrue more than $25m? We have gone over this a number of times, but like the cap situation this bears repeating, only 2-3 teams can offer Jrue the max, Philly, the Suns, and the Nets. Thats it. He can go get paid by them, or he can take what we offer him. I would hope that we have built up goodwill with him considering the things the team has been through, and if not, thats just sad.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
I'd "overpay" for what Conley brings. He is a legitimate 2nd tier point guard behind certified AS/HOF type players. And he's not far behind those type players. You can win a championship with him as the lead guard easily. You don't need as much "filler" role types behind or with him either.
Jrue on the other hand is nowhere close to that. At all. He is the filler role type.
Last edited by luckyman; 04-04-2017 at 10:24 PM.
I'm not sure why overpay is in quotations when he's the second highest paid player in the league this year (and has the most guaranteed money of any contract) and was the highest paid player in the league at the time he signed. It's safe to say he was overpaid. I agree, however, that the gap between him and Jrue is much more significant than people are letting on.
Last edited by PelsFan2313; 04-04-2017 at 10:27 PM.
This conversation is mind blowing. We DONT want to pay him 25 mill to be the #1 ! So, how in the bejesus do we even entertain paying him even 20 mill to play a position he hasn't played since high school? If we are bringing him back to play the shooting #2- am I supposed to just toss 20 mill plus his way? Makes zero sense. 16 mill is TOP. If that.
It's obvious his pay status in the league will evaporate rather quickly. Different caps, different CBA on the horizon.
Back to Jrue, when Dell made the trade for him, I explain why that wasn't a "win now" move many times. He was 23 and his game was expected to grow once he got here and continue to ascend. That has not happened. Maybe it was all the summers he spent injured and could only rehab instead of work on his game.
You take a player like Cousins or Westbrook, and since that same age they have grown their games each year. Jrue on the other hand, is basically the same player he was in Philly all those years ago. I didn't expect that and I'm sure Dell didn't. He explicitly said we had to be patient and let them grow.
The only ray of hope I say is this. This might be the first summer in 3 or 4 years where he can concentrate on being a better point guard and basketball player. No injury to rehab and hopefully no personal issues either.
You just have to question whether he has the will to get better. I personally think not. Mental toughness and a will to be great is something you either have or you dont.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote