just saw his posts on instagram, made about two.. just something im looking deep into. No hard evidence hahaOriginally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN
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just saw his posts on instagram, made about two.. just something im looking deep into. No hard evidence haha
Man I would love to get Greg Monroe, but it would have to be Tyreke & Asik in that deal. If it's Tyreke & Ajinca, I think we would be taking back 3 million more so that wouldn't work. But if it's Tyreke & Asik, we would gain like 2 million so we could sign another cheap wing in that 6'6"-6'7" range hopefully to replace Tyreke's height for the team. We would absolutely need another taller wing if we lose Tyreke IMO. Unless they would want to throw in Michael Carter-Williams to make the trade be just about perfect contract wise. Then we would for sure have our Shaun Livingston type of backup point guard. I'd even add a second round pick to the deal to make it happen.
C: Monroe, Ajinca
PF: AD, Jones, Diallo
SF: Hill, QPon, DC
SG: Buddy, Moore, Galloway
PG: Jrue, MCW, Frazier
Last edited by DaPelFromHell; 07-15-2016 at 03:28 AM.
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But anyway...
The Pelicans can (if I'm not mistaken, though I could be) take back 125% plus $100k of the salary they send out in a trade.
I also think we'd still be a long ways from the luxury tax, so that's nothing to worry about.
If Ajinca and Tyreke works, I'd much rather trade Ajinca than Asik in this scenario because we'd have two centers that really balanced each other out. Both are good rebounders and Gentry could lean on Asik if we need defensive stops, or Monroe if we need more offense.
I think in order for Dell to be comfortable with this deal, he needs to know what his realistic 2017 free agency options are. The only downside is the possibility of Monroe opting in, but if it's working and the Pels look like an improved team, that's not necessarily bad either.
But part of me wants Tyreke to show up healthy and for us to see what he looks like playing he role we've always wanted to see him in, which is that Iggy role.
How do you envision him playing the Iggy role? He is nothing like Iggy from a defensive standpoint (and that is Iggy's value).
Monroe is a horrible fit next to AD. Plays no defense, and we need a defensive anchor next to AD because (while AD is good at defending shots) hes not the best defender.
Monroe is NOT what we need. People need to stop square peg round hole-ing monroe into our situation because of his offensive game (oh and the part about how hes from NOLA and we New Orleans folk have this retarded desire to BRING HOMETOWN BOYS HOME... see Thaddeus Young, Marcus Throntwan, etc)
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Finally someone said it
On offense.
I'm not at all saying Tyreke IS Iggy. But I think part of what makes GSW offense special is that Iggy is a good passer, can bring the ball up the court, and can initiate the offense. Defensively, Tyreke has no chance of being Iggy's equivalent. But, I don't think it needed to be said that this team as constructed won't equal what the Warriors have accomplished! Any sort of approximation ought to be worth 40 wins though!
Tyreke needs to get over himself and buy into the system. If he can do that, then I think once healthy he would be a huge asset to have on the court (starting or off bench)
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I bet that hometown thing goes on everywhere that isn't a huge city. Like Memphis, OKC, etc.
Anyways. The reason I wouldn't mind Monroe is because he's another player that can and will move the basketball. Yup. Lousy defender. But we could tolerate several years of the same thing from Ryan Anderson, at least Monroe doesn't hold the ball too long.
Monroe is attainable and wants to play here. I think that's part of why people invision Monroe here.
I posted this another thread, but the difference between Monroe over the last 3 years and Asik defensively (DWS and DRtg) is negligible. Monroe certainly isn't a defensive stopper, but he's also not as terrible as people make him out to be.
AD is the one in your post that we should be focused on. In no way should he be allowed to be considered a defensive liability, which is essentially what you're saying. If AD doesn't improve as a defender, it's all for naught anyway. And if AD can improve, so can Monroe. If AD can't improve, we're doomed.
But in the grand scheme, many people think Tyreke is a worthless bum that the Pelicans couldn't dump for zilch. People swear it's a fact that he has negative value. So if Tyreke has nil or negative value, the only question is how much better is Monroe vs Ajinca.
The beauty of this trade IMO, is that we keep Asik. AD plays fewer minutes per game at center (16-18), and depending on matchup Monroe and Asik can chop up the rest. AD gets to play majority of the minutes at PF, which means we have to worry less about who replaces Ryno's PF minutes, and we have another go to option on offense when we need a bucket.
I wasn't someone who wanted to pursue Monroe as a free agent, but given our circumstances with Tyreke and the current construction of our roster, I see ZERO downside in trading Tyreke/Ajinca for Monroe because I think Monroe is an enormous upgrade over Ajinca.
Right, but why would Milwaukee do it? To dump Monroe?
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Listen to today's LockedonPels. Kushner talks a little more about Tyreke and says some very interesting things.
Recap please?
They seem to want to dump Monroe as much as the Pelicans may want to dump Tyreke.
And Monroe on the record saying he wants to be here?
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From last summer...
http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orlea...b1a8149fe.html“I’d love to play and represent this city,” he said. “Obviously, they have a guy like Anthony Davis who is a superstar already, and he’s only going to get better.
“I think I could really play well with him. Our games complement each other. I’m a low-post scorer. Obviously he’s a great midrange player.”
Right, while he wasn't under contract. Go to know. I still think he's a bad fit next to AD
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It's not a matter of whether or not he's the best fit, only if he's a better fit than Ajinca. And also if someone who is a better fit is attainable.
Plus, AD has to continue to evolve. If he does, especially defensively, he won't need a defensive compliment.
They still don't know anything, lol. A lot speculation last 11 minutes or so of podcast. They still don't think he's healthy and what his role might be. Kush doesn't think he's healthy, but really they don't know at all because Tyreke hasn't been in the country.
/no new info.
Note this is Kushner's opinion as he says but
He feels there is a strong chance the team wouldn't want Tyreke to even show up at training camp
He says he thinks Gentry won't play him, references several games from last year where Gentry was frustrated
He talks about Tyreke's moodiness. Says he refuses to come off the bench. Refuses to play anything other than point guard.
Talks about how both parties believe Tyreke should find a new team but doubts Tyreke can pass a physical at this point.
Says he wouldn't go as far as calling Tyreke a locker room cancer but his attitude and stuff aren't great
Dang. Thanks for the recap, and regardless if this is "hearsay" or not... a few things from the past couple years mirror what this guy said.
It wasn't just Gentry... but you could hear it in David Wesley and Joel Meyer's voice when Gentry had to call timeouts because there was no ball movement and Reke was just pounding the rock. In fairness... this was a problem across the board last season, but that's Reke's game, and he's not willing to conform.references several games from last year where Gentry was frustrated
This has been an issue ever since Monty tried to get him to come off the bench.He talks about Tyreke's moodiness. Says he refuses to come off the bench.
He doesn't have the offensive skillset to play anything else other than PG, so I can see that. I have never seen him play off the ball on offense. Now granted.. he can attack the basket with the best of them, but he's not gonna come off screens and knock down jumpers all game long.Refuses to play anything other than point guard.
3 knee Surgeries SINCE MAY! This is why we can't find a trade partner. Unless Reke is an alien... I doubt he'll be ready for camp.Talks about how both parties believe Tyreke should find a new team but doubts Tyreke can pass a physical at this point.
When Monty asked him to come off the bench, he came off the bench. Still got all his minutes. Matter of fact the only thing that got him off the bench that first year was frontline injury.
Please find where Tyreke metioned he does not want to come off the bench? I know Gordon intimated as much, but never Tyreke.
I think Monroe would complement AD perfectly. Right now with Asik starting, teams don't have to worry about him at all on the defensive end, so they can focus strictly on AD. And with us losing Ryno's offensive game, AD won't have anyone that teams will have to worry about in the front court. Hopefully TJones & Hill can give us some offense from the 4 spot with AD on the court. I don't think Monroe is as bad on defense as people want to believe. How many teams have 2 really good front court scorers? Not too many to have to worry about Monroe's defense. If we were able to bring in Monroe for Asik & Tyreke we would have 5 capable scorers on the court at all times execute when Ajinca would be in there.
I think these scoring averages would be close to what we could possibly get from our main contributors:
C: Monroe(14-17 ppg)
PF: AD (24-28 ppg)
SF: Hill (13-16 ppg)
SG: Buddy (15-18 ppg)
PG: Jrue (16-19 ppg)
QPon (8-11 ppg)
Moore (8-11 ppg)
TJones (7-10 ppg)
Galloway (7-10 ppg)
If we want to win games like the Warriors by out scoring teams then brining in Monroe would help get us there IMO.
Last edited by DaPelFromHell; 07-15-2016 at 01:44 PM.
Some of what Kushner says directly contradicts what Gentry has said. Gentry seems to acknowledge and attribute part of the frustration with Tyreke to Tyreke missing all of training camp. In his closing interview at the end of the season, he says they just threw Tyreke out there, and while it was frustrating he doesn't sound nearly as fed up with Tyreke as people make it seem when they opine and speculate. Gentry is frustrated by never having the opportunity to see the entire squad healthy, including Tyreke. Just 2 days ago Gentry said Tyreke (when healthy) was a good basketball player and the team played well when he was healthy.
Dawson thought if Tyreke was healthy they'd play him, Kushner wasn't sure if they'd want him at training camp. Based on what Gentry has said, I think if he's healthy he'll either be traded for something that helps the team this season (G. Monroe) or they'll play him at SF. Just a guess. I don't see any scenario where they tell him not to show up at training camp. That makes zero sense. Even if it's to showcase his health in preseason games, they'll want him there.
The funny thing to me is that Tyreke could be in great shape and almost ready to go. He hasn't been in the country for months, and therefor the reporters have no idea what's going on with him. They made it clear it was all speculation and opinion, but some people will run with this as fact even though some of what they said makes no sense and contradicts what Gentry has said.
Last edited by NMThreeMVP; 07-15-2016 at 02:02 PM.
Hint: The Pelicans organization isn't going to say anything on the record negative about a player they're attempting to trade. That doesn't mean they actually want him on the roster. Torpedoing a player, even a negative asset, in a press conference is bad strategy.
So, if you're reading into what Gentry has said in post season press conference remarks (which are coached by the front office to send specific messages or non-messages) you're doing it wrong.
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