Tyreke Evans

[NMThreeMVP]

The front office clearly doesn't think so. Which is why they attempted everything they could to trade Evans instead of having to trade a front court player and cut Douglas.

The fact that we released depth in the front court for nothing should be all the evidence needed that they couldn't find a taker for Tyreke. Especially when we have no true means of replenishing that front court depth.

It's really not my intention to always argue with you about this.

Has there been any report indicating the Pelicans are trying to trade Tyreke?! Has anybody, local or national, sited sources who say the Pelicans are trying to trade Tyreke.

Y'all constantly act like someone in the Pelicans organization has said that Tyreke (a guy that Dell pursued at midnight as soon as free agency kicked off) is no longer welcome on this team. I'm sure they might trade him for value, but we literally have ZERO reports from anyone that Dell is trying to dump Tyreke. Not a single Woj bomb or David Aldridge tweet or even a confirmation from Kushner. No where on the Internet is there reports of Dell shopping Evans!

[Mythrol]

If only there was some local writer who has said something about the Pels trying to trade Tyreke. . .

Oh looks! Here's Brett Dawson, you know - Kushner's Coworker - right after the Babbitt news broke:

"My guess: Don’t hold your breath on a Tyreke Evans trade. Might be something to revisit if he’s healthy at some point during the season."

"I also don’t think there’s much chance the Pelicans will stretch Evans. Don’t doubt that there was at least discussion of it at some point."

"Somebody has to want to trade for him. With the year his knees had, that is at this point unlikely."

"I just think you need a trade partner to make a trade, and with the year his knees had those are hard to find."

"I’m just saying I don’t think it’s about selling low or high. I think it’s more a matter of not having buyers."

"Keep in mind that I said “My guess.” None of this is to say an Evans trade absolutely can’t happen. I’m confident Pelicans have shopped him."

"I just don’t think at this point there are a lot of takers. Evans might need to play again before the Pelicans can find a buyer."

"They need to want Tyreke Evans."

"This Tyreke stuff is complicated for 140 characters, but great for an episode of @lockedonpels this week, he said, shamelessly plugging."

I'm sure I could find more but figured this would be enough to stop with the non sense.

[Lelicans]

Reke is the gift that just keeps on giving

[NMThreeMVP]

If only there was some local writer who has said something about the Pels trying to trade Tyreke. . .

Oh looks! Here's Brett Dawson, you know - Kushner's Coworker - right after the Babbitt news broke:

"My guess: Don’t hold your breath on a Tyreke Evans trade. Might be something to revisit if he’s healthy at some point during the season."

"I also don’t think there’s much chance the Pelicans will stretch Evans. Don’t doubt that there was at least discussion of it at some point."

"Somebody has to want to trade for him. With the year his knees had, that is at this point unlikely."

"I just think you need a trade partner to make a trade, and with the year his knees had those are hard to find."

"I’m just saying I don’t think it’s about selling low or high. I think it’s more a matter of not having buyers."

"Keep in mind that I said “My guess.” None of this is to say an Evans trade absolutely can’t happen. I’m confident Pelicans have shopped him."

"I just don’t think at this point there are a lot of takers. Evans might need to play again before the Pelicans can find a buyer."

"They need to want Tyreke Evans."

"This Tyreke stuff is complicated for 140 characters, but great for an episode of @lockedonpels this week, he said, shamelessly plugging."

I'm sure I could find more but figured this would be enough to stop with the non sense.

Like I said... No one in the Pelicans organization has said anything to indicate Tyreke is available nor has any local or national reporter sited "sources" saying Tyreke is being shopped. All you've posted is a beat writers musings/speculation about Tyreke on Twitter. If there was a story there, it would have been written.

When reporters have real information, they usually follow it with "per a source".

But even if this is your gospel, it's a huge leap you keep making from "Pelicans are shopping Tyreke" to "Pelicans are trying to dump Tyreke for cap space and can't".

[PELICANSFAN]

Like I said... No one in the Pelicans organization has said anything to indicate Tyreke is available nor has any local or national reporter sited "sources" saying Tyreke is being shopped. All you've posted is a beat writers musings/speculation about Tyreke on Twitter. If there was a story there, it would have been written.

When reporters have real information, they usually follow it with "per a source".

But even if this is your gospel, it's a huge leap you keep making from "Pelicans are shopping Tyreke" to "Pelicans are trying to dump Tyreke for cap space and can't".

Do you really think Demps is going to step to the microphone and say they are trying to trade Evans? It has been reported numerous times that they were looking to move him. Also, some posters here with inside sources have confirmed it as well.

[billfromfinance]

Yeah this organization doesn't publish things to the public if it doesn't help them in some way. I see reeks brother is leaving September, but made mention reek is staying when asked. I guess we will soon See if he can play at all, if not and we can't move him guess we'll roll through some bigs with injury exemption.

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[Mythrol]

Like I said... No one in the Pelicans organization has said anything to indicate Tyreke is available nor has any local or national reporter sited "sources" saying Tyreke is being shopped. All you've posted is a beat writers musings/speculation about Tyreke on Twitter. If there was a story there, it would have been written.

When reporters have real information, they usually follow it with "per a source".

But even if this is your gospel, it's a huge leap you keep making from "Pelicans are shopping Tyreke" to "Pelicans are trying to dump Tyreke for cap space and can't".

LOL. You realize how pathetic this response is right? Give it up. This dude has connections and is saying Tyreke is being shopped. He doesn't need to say, "per source" he says it definitively in the bolded section of the post I said. lol.

[billfromfinance]

Also "per source" can be rubbish, i.e. The recent okafor story that he called out on Twitter personally

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[Jabberwalker]

LOL. You realize how pathetic this response is right? Give it up. This dude has connections and is saying Tyreke is being shopped. He doesn't need to say, "per source" he says it definitively in the bolded section of the post I said. lol.

I agree with you but your original post but man, you need to learn how to chill out when people don't agree with you.

[Mythrol]

I agree with you but your original post but man, you need to learn how to chill out when people don't agree with you.

Disagree all you want. This forum is built around that. Ignoring evidence to continue on with an agenda is total different.

[HoustonPelicans]

So you are putting buddy more Frazier and hill over Tyreke the former ROY

Yes I'm not saying that they are all better than him. But they fit better and we plan on, at least for now, keeping them past this year, so I would want to build continuity.

[pelicanchamp]

Put Reke, Buddy, Qpon, Diallo and AD on the floor. Or

Reke, Jrue, Buddy, AD, Asik...

We will do great if Reke is healthy. I say we add just one more big man and start the season. No trades. Reke gets triple doubles. He wins games. If he is on the court with Buddy Jrue and AD I think we will see great games. I'm over Gordon and Anderson. Buddy's release is so fast and his shooting is so deadly I think teams will really worry about him and this will open it up for Jrue and Reke and AD. If Asik comes back healthy and getting lots of rebounds and Hill gives us defense and offense and Reke is healthy and Galloway and Moore and Frazier do well I think we will make the playoffs.

[pelicanchamp]

I think it's possible buddy could be a big star. Better than Klay Thompson.

[pelicanchamp]

We need to see our defense improve a lot. Hill, Galloway, and Moore and even Diallo are going to help. Can we be a 15th best defense? I think if we are then we will be very good.

Look at GSW. They have green, bogut, and iggy. Great defenders. We could have a great defender in Hill and Moore. AD and Jrue. If Diallo develops he could be awesome on defense. We need these tough defenders. Everywhere.

[pawel]

Mythical sources.

Pelicans as an official organisation never write about rumors, speculation and availability.
Sometimes Dell sends some infos to local/national press (two years ago it was about EJ and his health).

So Dell is not a media guy.
Shams and Woj don't have a history of work with him.
so You will never hear anything breaking from Dell through Shams/Woj.
As MM mentioned somewhere - Dell respects Stein and Aldridge - so they may hear something first from him.

Woj and Shams sources are based on agents and GM's.
So if You hear something about Pelicans (f.e. Hill trade) - You may here something from Woj, who received the info from the other side.

As with Hill - Yahoo reported the acquisition, but Kush reported first the $$$$$.


IMO best contacts around Pels has Scott Kushner. His friend from The Advocate - Brett Dawson is new in NO. I love his work, but he has little less inside information...

there are some others with little inside information (McNamara type, FletcherMackel, maybe Fish, Reid), and some posters with little inside info.
Also BSS writers have some access to inside information.

But IMO the best infos for Pels are Kush and Dawson.
So if one of them speculates, saying his own opinion - I see this as a most probable solution.

Love all the inside info. From anybody.

As a foreigner I have small inside infos with person connected with Nuggets.
But have not received any direct information - because of my PEls support.

I am receiving the infos of that kind:
- in this year draft we target 5 guys (i.e. Nurkic, Jokic).
Or check the national news infos about Nuggets in the next hours. You will be surprised (Wade interest by Nuggets)

[NMThreeMVP]

LOL. You realize how pathetic this response is right? Give it up. This dude has connections and is saying Tyreke is being shopped. He doesn't need to say, "per source" he says it definitively in the bolded section of the post I said. lol.

I guess some people still don't get it.

So I'll say it one more time. Even if one reporter out of a million says he is confident the Pelicans are shopping Tyreke (on Twitter, not in the paper he writes for), that doesn't mean they were willing to dump Tyreke for nothing and therefore because he has not been traded yet that means he has ZERO value around the league.

If I'm the only one who recognizes that distinction that says a whole hell of a lot about this board.

And if you're literally aggressively shopping a guy around the league, chances are dozens of people would know this, because agents and other GMs talk to the media. You know how hard it would be for Dell to be out there aggressively trying to give away a player like Tyreke Evans and no national media report on or no local media able to actually site it?

Is Dell shopping Tyreke? Maybe. Even likely.

Has Dell tried to give Tyreke away, been unable to, and therefore Tyreke has ZERO value? No evidence that is the case at all.

[PELICANSFAN]

I guess some people still don't get it.

So I'll say it one more time. Even if one reporter out of a million says he is confident the Pelicans are shopping Tyreke (on Twitter, not in the paper he writes for), that doesn't mean they were willing to dump Tyreke for nothing and therefore because he has not been traded yet that means he has ZERO value around the league.

If I'm the only one who recognizes that distinction that says a whole hell of a lot about this board.

And if you're literally aggressively shopping a guy around the league, chances are dozens of people would know this, because agents and other GMs talk to the media. You know how hard it would be for Dell to be out there aggressively trying to give away a player like Tyreke Evans and no national media report on or no local media able to actually site it?

Is Dell shopping Tyreke? Maybe. Even likely.

Has Dell tried to give Tyreke away, been unable to, and therefore Tyreke has ZERO value? No evidence that is the case at all.

I don't think he has zero value. However, it may be that he has such little value (or better said, has such high risk in relation to salary) that the Pelicans are unable to trade him without taking back another salary or attaching draft picks. I am sure many GMs know we are trying to unload him and are not willing to give us a deal. They may feel they have the leverage.

[NMThreeMVP]

I don't think he has zero value. However, it may be that he has such little value (or better said, has such high risk in relation to salary) that the Pelicans are unable to trade him without taking back another salary or attaching draft picks. I am sure many GMs know we are trying to unload him and are not willing to give us a deal. They may feel they have the leverage.

Could also be that Dell puts more value on Tyreke, the biggest FA signing of his tenure, than some other folks around here do. Maybe there isn't a free agent left that Dell really wants to sign, and therefore doesn't NEED to dump Tyreke for cap space only.

There are a lot of possibilities. Dell not getting what he thinks is fair value seems like as reasonable a possibility as Tyreke having Zero/Negative value around the league.

My frustration is from people drawing conclusions based on relatively limited info, then posting as if Tyreke being untradeable is something we all should see and the only conclusion that can be drawn. It's simply not the case. Dell could value Tyreke more than Douglas/Babbitt and any free agent he could sign with the space. This also seems like a reasonable possibility. IMO.

[Mythrol]

Has there been any report indicating the Pelicans are trying to trade Tyreke?!

Brett Dawson, "I'm confident Pelicans have shopped him."

"I just think you need a trade partner to make a trade, and with the year his knees had those are hard to find."

"I just saying I don't think it's about selling low or high. I think it's more a matter of not having buyers."

"I also don't think there's much chance the Pelicans will stretch Tyreke Evans. Don't doubt that there was at least discussion of it at some point."

So to sum up: Local Reporter with connections says Tyreke is on the trading block. Reporter says the issue is not about selling low or high (aka value). The issue is no one is buying (as in they can't even dump Tyreke). Reporter goes on to say while he doesn't think it will happen, discussions have taken place about even using the stretch provision on Tyreke (again pointing to the Pels just trying to get rid of him for nothing).

Now combine this with the fact we had to trade front court depth and shooting (our two biggest needs) to make salaries fit and this all should be pretty obvious. To argue against it is silly.

I guess some people still don't get it.

Yes, it's very clear they don't.

[NMThreeMVP]

Brett Dawson, "I'm confident Pelicans have shopped him."

"I just think you need a trade partner to make a trade, and with the year his knees had those are hard to find."

"I just saying I don't think it's about selling low or high. I think it's more a matter of not having buyers."

"I also don't think there's much chance the Pelicans will stretch Tyreke Evans. Don't doubt that there was at least discussion of it at some point."

So to sum up: Local Reporter with connections says Tyreke is on the trading block. Reporter says the issue is not about selling low or high (aka value). The issue is no one is buying (as in they can't even dump Tyreke). Reporter goes on to say while he doesn't think it will happen, discussions have taken place about even using the stretch provision on Tyreke (again pointing to the Pels just trying to get rid of him for nothing).

Now combine this with the fact we had to trade front court depth and shooting (our two biggest needs) to make salaries fit and this all should be pretty obvious. To argue against it is silly.



Yes, it's very clear they don't.

All I'll say is that the stuff you put in parenthesis are assumptions. It's clear you don't recognize the difference and when you're drawing conclusions, but that's cool. We all have different levels of comprehension. Brett (who I like) actually never said that there were discussions about stretching Tyreke. There is a difference (whether you recognize it or not) between a reporter musing on Twitter and actually reporting. What he actually said was all speculative, especially the part about stretching Tyreke. If a reporter has real information, they put it in the paper, because the Advocate is the entity that pays him! If this was a real story, don't you think an editor would want those clicks!? A story siting team sources that Tyreke is on the block for a ham sandwich and could be stretched, is something the Advocate would want in their paper. And don't give me anything about protecting his relationship with the team, because according to your interpretation, he's reporting this info via twitter.

Listen, I get how you can draw the conclusions that you do. And you could be absolutely right. You're not being illogical. But at this point, all you're doing is speculating! When you get all high and mighty and act like it's the gospel and if we don't believe we're idiots, that's when I feel the need to call you out. It's also very logical that Dell and Gentry have a role for Tyreke in our rotation, and aren't willing to dump him for nothing. You make think otherwise, but Dell probably values Tyreke more than he values a defensive liability and end of the bench player like Babbitt.

[David Fisher]

Plenty of people (myself, through our sources with TBW, BSS writers, Brett Dawson on the Locked on Pelicans podcast as Mythrol points out above) with varied access points inside the organization have said waiving and stretching Evans has been discussed. The very definition of giving him away for nothing.

There is no evidence that the Pelicans have not explored giving him away for nothing. That they have not actually done it is not proof they have not tried or seriously considered it, in the case of waiving and stretching him.

[boardtown]

I think moving Tyreke now is a mistake. He can start at three positions in a pinch and is effective Jrue Holiday insurance (injuries), Buddy Hield insurance (adjustments), and Qpon insurance (injuries). I know Tyreke has had his own injury issues, which is why I would like to see both he and Qpon come back on minutes restrictions and possibly alternating not playing on back to backs.

[DefensiveMind]

Could also be that Dell puts more value on Tyreke, the biggest FA signing of his tenure, than some other folks around here do. Maybe there isn't a free agent left that Dell really wants to sign, and therefore doesn't NEED to dump Tyreke for cap space only.

There are a lot of possibilities. Dell not getting what he thinks is fair value seems like as reasonable a possibility as Tyreke having Zero/Negative value around the league.

My frustration is from people drawing conclusions based on relatively limited info, then posting as if Tyreke being untradeable is something we all should see and the only conclusion that can be drawn. It's simply not the case. Dell could value Tyreke more than Douglas/Babbitt and any free agent he could sign with the space. This also seems like a reasonable possibility. IMO.

What you are saying is ultimately correct. That Tyreke is being shopped is the only educated assumption that can be made. We can speculate as to why he is being shopped, but the narrative does need to change that we are trying to dump him. (Or at least qualified as opinion) In the previous two situations that somewhat resemble Tyrekes, Dell attempted to trade the players for value and when that didn't work simply let them go in FA. That could just as easily be his ultimate resolution here, too.


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[DefensiveMind]

I think moving Tyreke now is a mistake. He can start at three positions in a pinch and is effective Jrue Holiday insurance (injuries), Buddy Hield insurance (adjustments), and Qpon insurance (injuries). I know Tyreke has had his own injury issues, which is why I would like to see both he and Qpon come back on minutes restrictions and possibly alternating not playing on back to backs.

This mirrors my opinion and I've long advocated trading Tyreke. I would never have said this before, but contract years are strange universes. Contract years in a year where the cap is exploding is even stranger. For a guy whose negative value comes from his style of play on the court, I still think he's worth a roster spot on a one year deal. That said, if there's any question about the chemistry of the locker room then you do what you gotta and move on.

[Mythrol]

It's also very logical that Dell and Gentry have a role for Tyreke in our rotation, and aren't willing to dump him for nothing.

No. My entire point is this isn't logical at all.

Everything that has been said by everyone with "sources" is that the Pels are trying to move away from Tyreke. They are trying to trade Tyreke. They have thought about stretching Tyreke's contract.

Can you point to anything said by national or local writers either through print or on the Internet that supports your version at all?

When everyone else is saying something and you're saying the opposite, that's the definition of illogical.