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Tyreke is a helluva player... in the right system. he's a scheme mismatch. Its not that people hate him (I don't think so anyway), but for Gentry's system he's just not that dude.
Gentry doesn't play iso ball. His system is about movement and playing off the ball. making intelligent decisions and getting a good shot.
Tyreke was perfect for Monty Ball.
Ummm that's actually not true. He was not seen as a half court player when he first came here he wanted to push the ball remember "stopping at no stores, straight gas". Moby wanted to play a slow half court game so he adjusted his game to fit.Originally Posted by DroopyDawg
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I don't we will get somebody worth taking on a multi year contract for. So unless it's a swap for somebody that is on an expiring who can help us now, a draft pick, or to dump him and sign someone now I don't see it as an urgent need to trade him just to get somebody. He's an asset to us expiring just as much as he is to just acquire someone when we can instead use that $ to find the player we really want in FA. Plus by hanging on a little longer it's possible his value goes up and we can actually get a really solid player.
I want to keep him! I think he could be a candidate for 6th man of the year if he plays like he did in 14-15 while coming off the bench. Now if we can get something decent for him at midseason then yes. But I don't want to trade him just to trade him for someone that can't get us 15/5/5 on a regular basis. I'm fine with him just playing out his contract while having a good season here. He's in a contract year, so you know he will give it his all! Now if his all is too much hero ball, then we ship him out of here midseason!! I'm sure some playoff team wouldn't mind adding a guy that can get them 15/5/5 on an expiring deal. Then next offseason we can either resign Jrue or go after another point guard in free agency.
Last edited by DaPelFromHell; 06-29-2016 at 11:32 PM.
I developed the feeling after being on the other side, defending him every off-season about how he would mature and change his game. Just to be disappointed that he didn't. Tyreke had his moments for us (straight gas will always be remembered), but I'm just ready to move on; it's so frustrating watching his "me" style of basketball. It's like watching a less talented James Harden.
See Anderson and Gordon.
Not gonna happen with the cap going up again next season.
If you can get a good trade, trade, we are not going to win it all this year so get value back. Should have pulled the trigger on RA for just about anything last year.
Which actually happened by the way. GSW took his penetration away and Reke was basically a non-factor.
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Folks counting on Tyreke having a contract year are just setting yourselves up to overpay and get disappointed. If Tyreke has a great contract year and plays nice with Gentry, then you are going to have to give him big money to keep him or lose a huge player for nothing. Then once you give him 4 years 80-90 mil or more, you are stuck with at least three years of non-contract-year bad knee Tyreke again. So even if it is a small step back in the short term, wouldn't it be better to get something for him now and move on with someone who you think can be a useful part of the program long term?
Once all these lesser free agent players start getting double Tyreke's money for next year, I think he will look pretty good to other GMs. After the dust settles in free agency, there will be a bunch of teams that feel like they are one or two Tyreke sized impact players away from the squad they really wanted. They wont have cap space to take on Asik too, but they will have some young prospects and future draft picks that they might deal to plug the hole this summer.
I loved Evans during the days of Monty's "waste the first 14 of 24 seconds pounding the ball in one place" offense. But he's too focused on his play and his role to see that giving the team 85% of his skills can make the team much better than him trying to unleash everything he's got. So he just doesn't work in a ball movement system like Gentry wants. (And like I much prefer to watch.)
Last edited by Big Fan; 06-30-2016 at 10:26 AM.
Gordon and Ryno weren't traded for reasons of injuries most likely. They never got to be fully healthy and show their value. I Reke never gets to show his value then so what we have a big expiring contract to go spend in FA. Why lock up another player in a multi year deal by trading Reke and it's a guy who we didn't hand pick but just traded for so we can say we moved Reke. That makes very little sense and a reason I'm glad we didn't move Ryno just to say we did getting a player we don't really like hindering us in FA right now.
It is a shame that Demps did not get anything for Anderson at the deadline, despite rumors that we were offered a future 1st rounder from multiple teams.
Exactly what you just said is rumors. Nobody here knows what we were being offered. Why trade Ryno for someone on a multi year deal which leaves us not being able to sign any big FA this offseason? That would be a terrible move. Let him expire and go spend that $ on somebody we want not trade him just to say we did so for a guy we were offered and not hand picked. I would rather have that $ in FA instead of getting a player in return. A 1st round pick sure but I highly doubt that's what we were going to get especially with him being injured.
McNamara reported that they were offered 2018 1st rounders if I recall.
That's a lot of first rounders.
Monty did want to play slow ball, but he realized that wasn't Tyreke's game, so he kinda let Reke do his thang. I remember Monty saying that a while back.
Just read this excerpt from David Fisher's article.
Does this sound like a guy that will ever commit to the offense?"I thought I should have just kept attacking more," said Evans, who was 0 for 5 from the floor and finished with three assists and five turnovers. "Even though they're a good defensive team, I think I didn't put no pressure on the defense because I was trying to find guys, trying to swing the ball."
Gentry said on Sunday that "the thing that we're trying to make (Evans) understand is that, when he gives it up, we're going to give it back to him." He wants the ball moving from one side of the floor to the other via passes, rather than having a single player dribble the ball for seconds at a time.
But Evans said on Monday that focusing on giving up the ball early in the shot clock "kind of messed my rhythm up a little bit."
"I started to look to pass first," Evans said. "That's when it kind of went south on me, instead of just doing what I do, and that's attack and if I see somebody open, find them. My mindset (tonight) was just pass first, but that isn't the way I play. I play attack first, and if somebody's open I find them. I just got to do a better job with that."
More like Byereke Evans...
The Pelicans don't have many players that can create offense, they should not be trying to get rid of Evans unless it's for future assets that we just can't pass up. Tyreke will provide that spark off the bench as back up PG.
Gentry's system creates shots by moving the ball and put pressure the defense with screens and movement. Tyreke is an iso player... while having a guy with that skillset helps... its just not how Gentry runs his offense.
And Tyreke was never comfortable coming off the bench. He said all the right things but he's not right as the 6th man.
A backup PG who doesn't want to play team offense. Plus at his talent level you think he will be happy with 20 min/gm or less? Or would he become a malcontent? Knowing Reke, I would bet the farm on the latter
Evans has already been used in that role for the Pelicans, quite effectively, and he embraced it.
Like I said, the Pelicans don't have enough guys that can create offense, we shouldn't be getting rid the guy we do have. Evans can get to the rim, penetrate, make great passes, create his own shot. Every team needs a guy like that.
Not true, I've detailed this extensively in the past but Evans was awful coming off the bench. It was only after injuries forced him into a starting role did he play better. This was in a much more Evans friendly system.
To think a more complex, anti Iso ball system will somehow make Tyreke better off the bench is silly.
"I thought I should have just kept attacking more," said Evans, who was 0 for 5 from the floor and finished with three assists and five turnovers. "Even though they're a good defensive team, I think I didn't put no pressure on the defense because I was trying to find guys, trying to swing the ball."
Gentry said on Sunday that "the thing that we're trying to make (Evans) understand is that, when he gives it up, we're going to give it back to him." He wants the ball moving from one side of the floor to the other via passes, rather than having a single player dribble the ball for seconds at a time.
But Evans said on Monday that focusing on giving up the ball early in the shot clock "kind of messed my rhythm up a little bit."
"I started to look to pass first," Evans said. "That's when it kind of went south on me, instead of just doing what I do, and that's attack and if I see somebody open, find them. My mindset (tonight) was just pass first, but that isn't the way I play. I play attack first, and if somebody's open I find them. I just got to do a better job with that."
Evans doesn't even agree with you brother.
That quote came from one of the very first few games he played after missing the pre-season and most of the 1 week camp. I do believe he got better as he played more games before being sidelined again.
Not really useful to take anything from that time since the entire team was flummoxed. AD didn't look good either.
Yeah but he literally said he does not want to pass first, he much rather play his game and attack first. He basically said his game doesn't fit with what Gentry is trying to do. Gentry is trying to get him to buy in and Tyreke is literally saying 'No, this is how I think it is best for me to play'.
But besides that with the wing players we just added, how many minutes do you see Tyreke playing a game? And do you see him being happy with those amount of minutes?
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