Draft Prospects Discussion

[GuardianAngel25]

He doesn't need the type of quickness but he still has plenty. Hield is still bigger and much stronger which I already stated. Hield has even more scoring potential from behind the line and around the basket. CJ is the better creator but outside that he doesn't do much better. Jrue/Hield has the potential to be everything Lillard/CJ is and more especially on the defensive side of the ball. You add in AD for us and we can be a much better team than the Blazers. We can add a much better SF then Aminu as well. We also have a bench that is better IMO.

[GuardianAngel25]

Seems Sheppard could be as ready as any player in the draft to walk in and earn his coach's love for his tenacity and versitlity on defense.... only problem is his shooting ability will probably prevent him from walking in that door until after having spent some time in the developmental league.

This is one of the many reasons I wish we had our own developmental team. Hell, the team could be located in B.R/ Mobile or something whereas to drum up more support for the pelicans in the region. Having a handful of developmental projects learning your system and getting coached up can only help huh?

Yes I definitely agree we need a DLeague team. Has so many positives and would give Dell an even better opportunity to find his gems. Having a team that runs the same system as us is a huge plus as well. Good to be able to send your good players down after an injury to somewhat work there way back which teams have done. I think putting the team somewhere in north LA would be great for exposure. Even one of the gulf states without a basketball team would be great as well.

[fullcourtpress]

If we rid of Ryan Anderson, Petr Cornelie would be an interesting 2nd round pick,

nbadraft.net has him going at 49, but draftexpress has him going at the end of the 1st to the Warriors. IMO they always compliment the better FO's with players they think will be good ones.

He is every bit of 6'11", with a 7'1" wingspan, and better yet his forte is running the court and hitting 3's (45% this year and 41% last year)

He's eager to learn, rebound and play D; just needs to get stronger. He isn't going to get you to the playoffs, but in an age of stretch 4's he may have the prettiest shot out of all of em. (and he could be an excellent defensive player)

Id rather gamble on him in the 2nd than AJ Hammons and many others

Petr Cornelie – Standing 7-feet ½ without shoes, with a 7'1 wingspan, Cornelie is a smooth athlete who moves fluidly and plays above the rim with ease. He's a “stretch 4-man” in his words who possesses a beautiful jump-shot complete with a high release point and a very natural touch, shooting 40% from beyond the arc this season. Cornelie has made major strides with his approach to the game this year, and looked like a veteran in the pro game we took in, scoring 14 points and grabbing 5 rebounds in 14 foul plagued minutes of action. He plays with great confidence and maturity in a tough and physical league, and although he struggles with the lack of bulk he possesses relative to the older players he faces, he shows great potential defensively on the perimeter thanks to his quick feet and ability to switch on ball screens. Finally, he draws rave reviews for his personality from everyone that has been around him, and came off as being highly engaging and possibly the best interview we conducted from the many players we spoke with on this trip.

[Pelifan]

He doesn't need the type of quickness but he still has plenty. Hield is still bigger and much stronger which I already stated. Hield has even more scoring potential from behind the line and around the basket. CJ is the better creator but outside that he doesn't do much better. Jrue/Hield has the potential to be everything Lillard/CJ is and more especially on the defensive side of the ball. You add in AD for us and we can be a much better team than the Blazers. We can add a much better SF then Aminu as well. We also have a bench that is better IMO.

Sure. I can agree with all of that but the bench part. Hield would be an amazing get. Unfortunately I doubt he makes it to 6 or 7 in a draft with a weak freshmen class after Simmons and Ingram. I'm not even sure Murray and Brown would be lotto picks in last years draft. I think they would have both graded out worse than Winslow at least.

[GuardianAngel25]

That is pretty impressive! I'm going to have to check him out. I think the only thing we could use for our bench right now is a stretch 4 unless we Ryno back. I like Dante but can't hurt to have a young guy learning under him for us to develop.

[Pelifan]

If we rid of Ryan Anderson, Petr Cornelie would be an interesting 2nd round pick,

nbadraft.net has him going at 49, but draftexpress has him going at the end of the 1st to the Warriors. IMO they always compliment the better FO's with players they think will be good ones.

He is every bit of 6'11", with a 7'1" wingspan, and better yet his forte is running the court and hitting 3's (45% this year and 41% last year)

He's eager to learn, rebound and play D; just needs to get stronger. He isn't going to get you to the playoffs, but in an age of stretch 4's he may have the prettiest shot out of all of em. (and he could be an excellent defensive player)

Id rather gamble on him in the 2nd than AJ Hammons and many others

I thought you were making that guy up till I looked him up and he has all the skills you said he has. If the dude had a better frame he'd be a top 5 pick. I'd rather take a chance on him than Thon Maker personally.

[GuardianAngel25]

Man that kid has a lot of potential. I would absolutely love to draft him. Maybe even let him stay over seas a little longer. Possible he is on our radar with Dell. Surprising he isn't rated higher with that height, athleticism, and shooting stroke already. Yea he needs to put on weight and get stronger but that's the easy part.

[fullcourtpress]

Man that kid has a lot of potential. I would absolutely love to draft him. Maybe even let him stay over seas a little longer. Possible he is on our radar with Dell. Surprising he isn't rated higher with that height, athleticism, and shooting stroke already. Yea he needs to put on weight and get stronger but that's the easy part.

I couldn't imagine someone that tall with such a fluid shot. I too think he's a better gamble than Maker

[HoustonPelicans]

Buddy Hield pre-draft workout!

[Eman5805]

With that work ethic, he can't help but be amazing.

[pmarpelicansfan]

With that work ethic, he can't help but be amazing.

The guy does a workout video so he must have a great work ethic?

Am I missing something here?

That Hield vid was just him practicing his shooting and a small bit of dribbling.

Nothing strenuous or hard about anything he did. Displayed nice handles before his shot and great shooting skills.

[Eman5805]

The guy does a workout video so he must have a great work ethic?

Am I missing something here?

Yes.



http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...worked-way-top

You don't improve as much as he has unless you put in the work.

[GuardianAngel25]

The guy does a workout video so he must have a great work ethic?

Am I missing something here?

That Hield vid was just him practicing his shooting and a small bit of dribbling.

Nothing strenuous or hard about anything he did. Displayed nice handles before his shot and great shooting skills.

Hield has been praised for his work ethic by many who actually see him. Go read some of the recent articles about it. Not to difficult to see the progression he has made either which I don't think happens without an amazing work ethic.

[pmarpelicansfan]

Yes.



http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...worked-way-top

You don't improve as much as he has unless you put in the work.

Sorry it just seemed like a "wow that was a great work ethic" comment based on the video posted.

I believe he does have a great work ethic as well taking his total progress into account. It just seemed like it was being based off of just that video. My apologies.

[Pelifan]

Trying to pick between Dunn and Hield is painful. Chances are one will be a lot better than the other. Why can't we just trade Jrue and Tyreke for another high pick and take both?

[GuardianAngel25]

No way would I trade Jrue for a high pick. I would be very interested in drafting Dunn and trading Jrue for Kris Middleton though. If I have the choice between Hield and Dunn I'm going with Hield no question. Kid is going to be a star who can score the ball as well as anyone in the NBA. The way 3 pointers have become such a big part of basketball we can have one of the best in the NBA on our team. I think Hield is going to be better offensively and defensively than CJ McCollum who is a stud. You out an all star SG next to Jrue and sign a good SF in FA this team can be something serious.

[Eman5805]

Jrue is the one most likely to get something valuable back, unfortunately.

[gdf22]

Does anyone know which draft site is the best/most accurate over past years. I've just been checking nbadraft and draftexpress but there's some pretty large differences between the mock drafts of the two and was wondering which one of these is the more accurate, or if anyone would recommend another site?

[GuardianAngel25]

JJ Reddick, CJ McCollum, Courney Lee, Wes Mathews, Andre Roberson, Monta Ellis, Kentavious Caldwell Pope, Avery Bradley, Tony Allen, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, JR Smith, Demar Derozan, Klay Thompson, Dwayne Wade, and James Harden are all of the starting SGs in the playoffs. I don't see someone like Hield having trouble guarding or scoring on any of those guys. The ones he will have trouble guarding are the ones everyone has trouble with. He is bigger then half of those guys. I think a lot of people are getting caught up in the height/length with some of the top SGs in the draft. I'm not a huge Murray fan but even he matches up well with a lot of these guys. Another thing we have a lot of these teams don't is a very good and big PG in Jrue. Having a back court of Jrue/Hield I think can compete against any back court in the NBA on both sides of the ball.

Hield has all star written all over him with the type of game fans and media love to see. We could use someone like him who can just flat out score and take over a game. If we don't land one of the top 2 spots I pray we can land Hield.

[Pelifan]

JJ Reddick, CJ McCollum, Courney Lee, Wes Mathews, Andre Roberson, Monta Ellis, Kentavious Caldwell Pope, Avery Bradley, Tony Allen, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, JR Smith, Demar Derozan, Klay Thompson, Dwayne Wade, and James Harden are all of the starting SGs in the playoffs. I don't see someone like Hield having trouble guarding or scoring on any of those guys. The ones he will have trouble guarding are the ones everyone has trouble with. He is bigger then half of those guys. I think a lot of people are getting caught up in the height/length with some of the top SGs in the draft. I'm not a huge Murray fan but even he matches up well with a lot of these guys. Another thing we have a lot of these teams don't is a very good and big PG in Jrue. Having a back court of Jrue/Hield I think can compete against any back court in the NBA on both sides of the ball.

Hield has all star written all over him with the type of game fans and media love to see. We could use someone like him who can just flat out score and take over a game. If we don't land one of the top 2 spots I pray we can land Hield.

Well another point is look how few of those guys are one and done. Look at the top sgs in the NBA and save Derozan they all stayed in college at least one season. Youth is incredibly overrated. I mean Archie Goodwin was a better prospect than Hield was then when they came out. Hield improved, Goodwin didn't. I'm sure I could find better examples if I looked, but it just goes to show you that you can't assume similar projection arcs for different players. It's the same logic Wolves try to use to claim KAT will be better than Davis. Davis made astronomical improvements, you can hope but you can't expect for the same improvements in Towns.

[GuardianAngel25]

Well another point is look how few of those guys are one and done. Look at the top sgs in the NBA and save Derozan they all stayed in college at least one season. Youth is incredibly overrated. I mean Archie Goodwin was a better prospect than Hield was then when they came out. Hield improved, Goodwin didn't. I'm sure I could find better examples if I looked, but it just goes to show you that you can't assume similar projection arcs for different players. It's the same logic Wolves try to use to claim KAT will be better than Davis. Davis made astronomical improvements, you can hope but you can't expect for the same improvements in Towns.

Yea I didn't really think about the age thing with this. I'm a big believer in players developing their game and I don't see it being any different if they became great in college. It is possible KAT never gets a whole lot better than he is right now. Like you said AD made historic improvements which is a big part of some of the unrealistic expectations people put on him. It's like if he isn't the best player in NBA history being Dream in the past at 22 somehow he isn't working on his post game hard enough. All of those players did stay a while which is interesting.

[pawel]

Does anyone know which draft site is the best/most accurate over past years. I've just been checking nbadraft and draftexpress but there's some pretty large differences between the mock drafts of the two and was wondering which one of these is the more accurate, or if anyone would recommend another site?

differences between mock drafts are quite large

it is hard to find one good draft site

NBADraft.net and DE are IMO most respected and the best...

To know who will select which prospect - You have to go to Woj...

[GuardianAngel25]

A player I can see Hield being very similiar to on both sides of the ball but much better at creating his own shot is Wesley Matthews. Hield and Wes have an almost identical frame from height to their physique. Hield is half an inch shorter but has a wingspan half an inch longer. Everyone knows how good Wes has been as a defender in the NBA and Hield has the ability to be every bit as good. Would love to have Pack and Erman working with this kid on the defensive side of the ball where he can not only be good but great.

The more I dig into Hield and other players who are doing it at his size with similiar skill sets the more I want him in the draft. He is a perfect fit for Gentrys system and can be an elite scorer. I really think Hields defensive potential has been under rated big time because of his size but when you compare him to almost all of the good SGs he's just as big if not bigger. Kid is going to be a star who could very possibly be that player we are looking for to be ADs "robin" wing man. Jrue/Hield/Davis and a stud SF in this FA or next could put this team in serious contention.

[GuardianAngel25]

Klay Thompson only has a wingspan half an inch longer than Hield. Anybody questioning how good he can be defensively should feel a little better. He has everything it takes to be a great defender. I just can't imagine how good he can be offensively with a PG like Jrue next to him who can help set him up and a big man like AD to take pressure off. He had good players around him at Oklahoma but not guys who compliment him like these two. Just about everything he did was creating for himself with defenses game planning everything around stopping him. Makes it much harder to try and stop him when AD is every teams biggest worry and problem.

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

differences between mock drafts are quite large

it is hard to find one good draft site

NBADraft.net and DE are IMO most respected and the best...

To know who will select which prospect - You have to go to Woj...

Hopefully DE is the most accurate.
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