I could see Murray going #3 depending on how he measures and does in the drills. With the way the NBA is evolving and copy cats of the Warriors teams will be all over him. He has the potential to be a Klay Thompson type of player.
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I could see Murray going #3 depending on how he measures and does in the drills. With the way the NBA is evolving and copy cats of the Warriors teams will be all over him. He has the potential to be a Klay Thompson type of player.
Anybody else like Danuel House from Texas A&M in the 2nd round?
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Like I said, whatever it takes to get Murray, do it.
lose in a hurry for murray
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I'm all for the Blue Arrow, baby!!!
Would love Murray in the 1st and Moody in the 2nd. I think that would give us spacing and offense
Murray as a starter, and Moody off the bench.
anyone else slightly worried about murray's lack of athleticism, handles or defense?
The athleticism concern kinda pairs with the defense. His measurables aren't great and he doesn't have the quickness that can make up for it. However, his handles shouldn't be a problem if he's used correctly because he moves so well without the ball. And he seems to try pretty hard on D which at least gives him a foundation for not being horrible. Ideally he's be a little longer with more fast-twitch athleticism, but if he had that he'd be in the discussion for #1 with Simmons and Ingram. I think he has a solid base of skills and really looks like he can make a positive impact in his first year or so, which not many rookies/sophomores can do.Originally Posted by HornetGuru
fair enough, and I agree, when i watch him play the kid just knows how to get open off the ball and just has an instant release, he's an assassin. And like others have said he did pretty decent when he was matched against Simmons, who has 5 inches and 35 pounds on him.
also i've been seeing a ton of boards where people are saying he might turn into the best player from this draft and say he is the next coming of Brandon Roy.
Which seems like a pretty good comparison. Average athleticism, but very smart, knock down, clutch shooter, unselfish.
I am. He really does have McCollum written all over him. Doesn't have the natural athleticism, size, quickness or enough current defensive IQ or ability.
McCollum is not a bad place to land but even Portland fans would tell you the lack of defense on the perimeter hurts their duo. Thankfully we have Jrue to cover the best perimeter defender but when you start talking about playing the best guard combos in the league, things get a little more tricky.
It also does baffle me the people who are knocking Buddy Hield for his measurables even though Hield has slightly better everything then Murray. Murray just has youth on his side and the allure of "potential" is always very strong.
Not really go look at Klay Thompson's scouting report out of college. Everyone was worried about his athleticism too. Valentine and Murray are athletic enough and make up for their slightly lesser athleticism with BBIQ and work ethic. Would take either one over Reke and his athleticism. I would be happy with any of the following: Ingram/Brown/Murray/Hield/Dunn/Valentine. This is a pretty deep draft in my opinion. A lot of good shooters at the 3 who will be available later in the draft too. I like House and Layman both a lot.
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Frankly i think there is a lot of guard talent this year that is going to translate: Murray, Hield, Dunn and Valentine and a few others I haven't seen enough to speak too but get raved about like Baldwin and Jackson.
The key, I guess, is hoping you end up with the best of the bunch if we go the guard route this draft. And given how late Valentine is projecting to go, I am less worried if we fall out of the 6 spot. Valentine really could be the best of the bunch. He really does everything you want a modern guard to do, especially in a Gentry type system.
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Exact quote from draft express about Klay Thompson coming out of college: "Still, there are many questions surrounding Thompson's game and how it will transition to the next level, namely due to his lack of great athleticism and struggles on the defensive end."
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that's pretty funny, turned out to be a good athlete and good defender lol.
it's like reading those nfl scouting reports, like the one that said JJ Watt wouldn't be a good pass rusher.
I guess it goes to show what these guys can do when they work hard. Certain levels of athleticism can't be achieved that way but they can get stronger, smarter and better conditioned. They are all more athletic than me
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Yep, that is the story for A LOT of recent successful guards. Yet there are people that think a guy like Hield won't make it even though he has better athleticism then a guy like Klay Thompson at draft time.
Valentine though, man, that sort of smart guard play out of both positions is insanely intriguing. Two big guards that are great shooters, great off the ball, have good ball handling, vision and smart, high character guys that come up in big moments is an exciting thought.
I think Thompson is Murray's dream ceiling, but Klay has a lot of size on him which has let him become a really good defender. I think his realistic ceiling is JJ Reddick which would be a great fit for this team. If we stay at 6 and Murray keeps his stock rising, I'd be fine with Brown (who I think is gonna fall once scouts start picking apart his game tapes), Hield, Bender, or Valentine.
Also Valentine is currently on CBS battling Purdue. Currently at 5-8, including 3-5 from three, 7 assists and 4 boards and just made a timely steal during a Purdue run and now a no look alley oop pass.
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yall see valentine as a SG or SF in the league?
That pass was crazy off a defenders knee he scrambles for it and throws it up to a guy named Davis. Is that a sign? Valentine to Davis has a nice ring. I would trade anyone on our team other than Davis and Holiday to get back in and grab Valentine in the 1st if our pick is too high.
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I think Valentine can play 1-3 but I play him at 2 next to Holiday. Depending on matchup.
He probably guards 3 unless it's an elite guy. Depends on who else starts next to him other than Holiday or Davis though.
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imagine if we signed a center to a 1 year deal instead of asik and we had an extra 11 mil to spend this offseason.
jrue valentine and barnes would be fun to watch.
I would like to see some more measurements of the guys athleticism from the combine before fully judging him but if I had to bet I would see him as a SG that can switch between the 2 and 3 pretty regularly.
He has a 6'10 wingspan which isnt as good as Evans or Qpon but I could see him playing it occasionally.
And who knows, that measurement may go up or down at the official combine.
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