Pelicans & Asik are talking new deal (deal is done-- 5/60)

[moon54]

While I know where you are going with this, asik is actually from eastern europe being that turkey is considered euraisa and the minority of the country is in europe. So his asinine statement does have some validity.
Edit I see he is from bursa. Strictly in Asia.

I'm half american half turkish , so I know what I'm talking about . Iand put turkey in eastern europe in this kind of situations . Growing in western europe in 80's and 90's was a total luxury because this regions was more developped and you had bigger career oppurtunities in all industries than eastern europe . ( Even that turkey wasn't a communist state ) .

It's too risky , that's all I'm saying . Only a few player from Eastern Europe has the discipline and working ethic of vlade divac (I hate his political opinions but I admire his sportsman character ) . The worse was krilenko and turkoglu . Mehmet Okur , an another turkish was fine . We'll see abour enes kanter . Peja another name that this forum knows very well , wasn't the same player after sacramento .

If omer can finish better around the rim , than it will be good deal . But I don't think it will be the case . He had his worst offensive season since he was a starter . Let's hope for a miracle . I'm saying these as a huge omer fan .

[RaisingTheBar]

I'm half american half turkish , so I know what I'm talking about . Iand put turkey in eastern europe in this kind of situations . Growing in western europe in 80's and 90's was a total luxury because this regions was more developped and you had bigger career oppurtunities in all industries than eastern europe . ( Even that turkey wasn't a communist state ) .

It's too risky , that's all I'm saying . Only a few player from Eastern Europe has the discipline and working ethic of vlade divac (I hate his political opinions but I admire his sportsman character ) . The worse was krilenko and turkoglu . Mehmet Okur , an another turkish was fine . We'll see abour enes kanter . Peja another name that this forum knows very well , wasn't the same player after sacramento .

If omer can finish better around the rim , than it will be good deal . But I don't think it will be the case . He had his worst offensive season since he was a starter . Let's hope for a miracle . I'm saying these as a huge omer fan .

That's why I'm fairly confident he will bounce back. He's shown he wasn't as bad as last year throughout his career.

[NMThreeMVP]

The contract Koufos signs will go a long way in determining whether Dell got a good deal or not.

[Mythrol]

Free agent center Robin Lopez discussing deal with Knicks that would earn him in range of $12M-$13M per season, league sources tell Yahoo.

[NMThreeMVP]

Free agent center Robin Lopez discussing deal with Knicks that would earn him in range of $12M-$13M per season, league sources tell Yahoo.

Right. I've said it already, I think Dell got an ok deal for an ok player. I'm not moved to crown him or dethrone him based on this move. I think number of years for Lopez and Koufos are important.

[N.O.Bronco]

Honestly the more things are shaking out the more I think the deal was an overpay.

Pretty much the only team I see making a run at Asik would of been the Lakers but I don't imagine it would be a hard run. And we would of had the benefit of pointing out how much of a mess that organization is and how they are looking to likely tank again after striking out.

[NMThreeMVP]

Honestly the more things are shaking out the more I think the deal was an overpay.

Pretty much the only team I see making a run at Asik would of been the Lakers but I don't imagine it would be a hard run. And we would of had the benefit of pointing out how much of a mess that organization is and how they are looking to likely tank again after striking out.

This is my problem with Dell. Signing Asik ahead of the market settling and this 5th year trade chip is a calculated risk, but what's the reward?!

Dell is like a Poker player who bets three times the value of a small pot to make sure he wins it. Great! You won a couple of blinds with your pocket queens! Congrats!

[donato]

Pardon my ignorance. I've seen it mentioned several times how the fifth year makes him a valuable trade chip. Can someone explain how? I don't understand that part. It can't be just because he's an expiring at that point?

[tdcreator]

I think a 10-11 million dollar contract for a pretty good center a good deal. If he is still on our team in 4 years which I doubt he'll be an awesome expiring. It's a team option on the 5th year so a team can trade for him and cut him to save 14 million same as what is going to happen with Hayward of the Cavs.

[Mythrol]

Pardon my ignorance. I've seen it mentioned several times how the fifth year makes him a valuable trade chip. Can someone explain how? I don't understand that part. It can't be just because he's an expiring at that point?

The 5th year is fully un guaranteed. What this means is we can trade him for another player on a pretty darn large contract and the team taking him back can just cut him and owe him nothing.

This is a really good move for a player coming off their rookie deal who will get a large sum of money but the original team doesn't want to match it. Of course this is just one example.

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

http://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/t...leans-pelicans

Is this salary correct for Asik?

[DroopyDawg]

http://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/t...leans-pelicans

Is this salary correct for Asik?

Nah that can't be right. That adds up to 45 mill.

This one's from BBS

[tdcreator]

Or if your trying to get over the cap to use stuff like MLE and BAE. You can trade something like a 10-11 million dollar player for asik at 14 mill then trade him for a player in the 16-18 mill range. Don't know exact number but I think that is the premis

[nikkoewan]

Honestly the more things are shaking out the more I think the deal was an overpay.

Pretty much the only team I see making a run at Asik would of been the Lakers but I don't imagine it would be a hard run. And we would of had the benefit of pointing out how much of a mess that organization is and how they are looking to likely tank again after striking out.

I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. At the start of free agency, as much as 9 teams (LAL, LAC, DAL, MIL, POR, NYK, PHO, POR, NOP) were bidding on the services of only 7 good centers:

Omer Asik 46.4/4 with a 13.6 million unguaranteed 5th year (deadline for this still unknown).
DeAndre Jordan probably gets a max (starting salary around 20 million)
Greg Monroe 50/3
Tyson Chandler 52/4
Robin Lopez reportedly commanding 12 to 13 million average salary
Brandan Wright 18/3
Kosta Koufos - unsigned

You'd probably rank DeAndre Jordan number one and then the next 5 after that (Asik, Chandler, Monroe, Lopez, Wright) are all in the same boat then there is Koufos. So no, there was a market for Asik. You see these teams that miss out on their initial center target that move on to the next in line (Knicks went from Jordan to Monroe to Lopez, Bucks were contemplating running to Lopez before Monroe agreed, Lakers moving from Jordan to Monroe to Lopez to Jordan again).

So I don't know how you could call Asik an "overpay" when you consider everything.

Can we call centers overpaid?? Depends on what you think (I personally don't think they are).

I think for so long, people have forgotten what "overpaid" really means in the NBA. Putting it in numerical terms, if the salary cap for 2015-16 is set at 69M then each win (however you estimate it) is worth around 1.7 million (69M/41 = 1.7 million. You spend over the cap, you should theoretically be a better team). Additionally, wins in 2016-17 and 2017-18 will be worth around 2.2 and 2.6 million. Asik's salaries over the next 3 seasons translated into wins is 6.2, 5.2 and 4.6 respectively.

Now, Asik produced 5 win shares (via bball ref) last season, playing hurt in the first 30+ games of the season then he played way better in the second half. Assuming he's healthy (which we should assume, obviously, in order to properly assess the contract), it's not inconceivable that he can put up 6 win shares. You can argue against the validity of "win shares" and catch-all statistics, btw. No problem with that. I never use them as an end-all, be-all, merely pointed them here for convenience).

The point is, either Asik is properly compensated OR he's slightly underpaid. Complain about the contract length but the yearly average is perfectly in line with everyone else. Brandan Wright's 6 million average is NOT the normal that was just a heck of a steal for Memphis.

[smcgull]

I don't know how much any players worth. But if they want him on this team then I am happy they have him. I wish Asik had Ajinca's offense and Ajinca had Asik's defense. However the NBA does a lot more trading than the NFL, so he might be traded before the season. I don't think so though.

[greewe]

Free agent center Robin Lopez discussing deal with Knicks that would earn him in range of $12M-$13M per season, league sources tell Yahoo.

If Asik were still on the market, it could have been him getting a $12-$13 offer from a desperate team. nikkoewan nailed it with his post.

[Taker597]

Hopefully Sacro free agent plans goes to hell and we can use Asik, a 1st, and play of interest that isn't AD as good trade assets. Get Cousin and we will be a TOP 5 in he West.

[pawel]

Dallas or Clippers will be without center (De Andre will choose from those two. Chandler is gone). NY will get Lopez.

Somebody else might have overpaid Asik. Bigs are always overpaid...

Asik is (was) a FA. So he might be traded in 6 months. At the earliest...

[Bongzilla]

Honestly, who cares?

You guys look at the individual contract as the entire picture. It is not. Anyone worth their salt at budget management can move numbers around year over year to make it work. There are NUMEROUS variables and instances for which we, as fans, simply cannot comprehend because we have no idea about what we are talking about.

How fun can it really be sitting here arguing and analyzing everything when you actually KNOW VERY LITTLE?

The big guy is on our team. Deal with it. Cheer for him.

Did we pay $200k more per year than we should have?? WHO CARES????????????

P.S. In 2 years, each and everyone of you crying about the signing and the value, will be marvelling at the value of asik's contract once the cap spikes.

I guess if we didn't have anything to **** and moan about today just wouldn't feel right?

[N.O.Bronco]

Like I have said, it will be interesting to see what Koufos commands.

I continue to say we likely overpaid. But maybe I am wrong and a guy like Koufos will get 11 mil from some team.

Of the 9 teams people have suggested need centers, I can't fathom a single one of them offering the same contract when you are considering context.

Deandre will likely stay in LAC and LAL was never going to overpay for a second rate player when they struck out on the big names. They are full back on tank mode if they don't get LMA. Which they won't.

Dallas either. They are constantly trying to lay the ground work for a big name FA and can't imagine a scenario they offer bigger money.

Portland has Leonard and Kaman and with no LMA they aren't going to be chasing Asik to give him 10mil plus a year. They weren't even with LMA.

[MonsterMash]

Like I have said, it will be interesting to see what Koufos commands.

I continue to say we likely overpaid. But maybe I am wrong and a guy like Koufos will get 11 mil from some team.

Of the 9 teams people have suggested need centers, I can't fathom a single one of them offering the same contract when you are considering context.

Deandre will likely stay in LAC and LAL was never going to overpay for a second rate player when they struck out on the big names. They are full back on tank mode if they don't get LMA. Which they won't.

Dallas either. They are constantly trying to lay the ground work for a big name FA and can't imagine a scenario they offer bigger money.

Portland has Leonard and Kaman and with no LMA they aren't going to be chasing Asik to give him 10mil plus a year. They weren't even with LMA.

Disagree on Dallas. When Dirk resigned for a big discount, Cuban made it clear he was going to do right by him and spend to contend. They already overpaid on Parsons (albiet, that deal isn't so bad in context of this year). They're going to have to spend on some center.

We also got Asik before the Bucks pulled an upset and got Monroe. That was a team that was tied to Omer rumor-wise in weeks past.

[N.O.Bronco]

Disagree on Dallas. When Dirk resigned for a big discount, Cuban made it clear he was going to do right by him and spend to contend. They already overpaid on Parsons (albiet, that deal isn't so bad in context of this year). They're going to have to spend on some center.

That still doesn't mean they throw more then 44 million at Asik just to fill the hole. Like I said, it will be interesting to see Koufas's contract. I think he ends up in Dallas or LA. And rumors are Dallas is interested in Hibbert. If that is all true we truly did bid against ourselves.

[DRDJ1]

Is Robin Lopez worth $10 million more over the first 4 years than Asik? Plus getting the TO in year 5 is a coup for Dell.

[N.O.Bronco]

Is Robin Lopez worth $10 million more over the first 4 years than Asik? Plus getting the TO in year 5 is a coup for Dell.

Well so far only NY was willing to pay him that much which is why he went. that doesn't affect Asik's negotiation price because the Knicks had zero interest in Asik. He just doesn't fit the triangle with those hands.

If LA or Dallas sign Koufas to big money I think Dell will be redeemed but it looks like LA already had backup plan a thru d and I don't think any of them involved sign Asik to 5 years and over 50 million. Nor Dallas either that are runored to be looking at Koufas for what I assume will likely be a shorter deal to remain flexible and Hibbert who would be an expiring.

[DRDJ1]

Well so far only NY was willing to pay him that much which is why he went. that doesn't affect Asik's negotiation price because the Knicks had zero interest in Asik. He just doesn't fit the triangle with those hands.

If LA or Dallas sign Koufas to big money I think Dell will be redeemed but it looks like LA already had backup plan a thru d and I don't think any of them involved sign Asik to 5 years and over 50 million. Nor Dallas either that are runored to be looking at Koufas for what I assume will likely be a shorter deal to remain flexible and Hibbert who would be an expiring.

I get what you're saying but Jackson is now saying "Forget about the triangle" to his season ticket fan base and basically "that they can’t afford to choose players, either through the draft or free agency, simply based on whether or not they’d be a fit in the triangle offense."

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...angle-offense/

However, I have to admit I did love Robin Lopez's campaign against those obnoxious mascots:

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/in...hts_on_bu.html

Seriously though, while Robin Lopez scores more 2.3 more points per game than Omer, Asik is a superior rebounder by far. Their FG % and eFG% are near identical. Omer actually is surprisingly a little better at assist/game and per 36 minutes and per 100 possessions than Lopez. Lopez is clearly a better FT shooter leading 75.9% vs 55.3%. These are all according Basketball reference.
Asik's intangibles are he is a better defender and at setting picks than Lopez. Lopez seems to have a higher motor and runs down the court quicker than Omer.
Who is the better fit in NOLA. I believe Omer because he is a better defender and rebounder. I would like to see his FT % improve but fear it can't be fixed. Hopefully spacing on offense will help his game like it did in Houston in 2012-2013 when he averaged a double-double with 10.2 and 11.7 rebounds per game.