Other fans think AD is roiding...

[nola007]

Nor should we discount that we are in a PED era in basketball like we were in baseball right? All of this was said about baseball players. All of it. Diet, exercise, science etc. But in the end it was PED's.

Here's an article from LiveStrong.com which claims you can increase your natural HGH levels by over 1000% if you add up all the steps they list, basically the right diet, exercise, sleep patterns and amino acid supplements, which I don't believe are considered PEDs. http://www.livestrong.com/article/28...se-hgh-levels/ I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking some supplements that may be in a gray area because that happens so often in pro sports, but I don't think we should discount the fact that he might just be really committed to improving his body. DWade was complaining about paleo diet and having to eat Asparagus and Zucchini. Maybe gaining a lot of weight in such a short time without PEDs is unusual because most pro athletes live like kings and would rather eat fast food while they work out.

[Eman5805]

I think the responses are proving my point, nobody wants to believe it when it's their guy. Wasn't everyone in baseball who made these type of gains found guilty of using in the end? Same arguments made then as well, but when it was all said and done they were all guilty.

I'm so glad you brought this to light. Here I thought AD being 21 YEARS OLD had to do with him getting bigger and stronger over time.

But I see now. The only way a person can gain a lot of muscle is through PEDs. Man...

Ain't that amazing?

[Kibner]

I find that hard to believe, but it is possible. Did MR not hit the weight room? What about Barkley? The only oldschool legend I can think of that has looked this ripped is David Robinson. I really don't know maybe we could do some research on this

I believe Jordan didn't seriously lift until the season after the Pistons knocked him on his *** and out of the playoffs on their way to the Finals. At least, that is what the Bad Boys documentary said.

This is a completely different thought from players doing PEDs because I think those have been in play for every sport since their inception.

[nola007]

How many people refused to believe Lance Armstrong was doping??? I don't think some people believe it even after he admitted it.

[Eman5805]

How many people refused to believe Lance Armstrong was doping??? I don't think some people believe it even after he admitted it.

People refused to believe the Earth was round once upon a time.

Facts are facts. And you have none.

[nola007]

True, that's why I believe if you think basketball players are not using PED's that's about as dumb as people who thought the Earth was flat.

People refused to believe the Earth was round once upon a time.

Facts are facts. And you have none.

[BP225]

Nor should we discount that we are in a PED era in basketball like we were in baseball right? All of this was said about baseball players. All of it. Diet, exercise, science etc. But in the end it was PED's.

I didn't say we should discount it, but I do think we can discount roids and anything that is both easily detectible and officially banned. That's a pretty big risk to take when there are plenty of Deer Antler Spray type of substances that are so out there they aren't on the official lists or are easy to mask.

[Kibner]

I assume the best players in the entire history of every major sport have used PEDs so I honestly don't care if modern players also use them, unless it gets to the point that they have to wake themselves up every night and exercise to keep their blood from getting too thick for their heart to pump.

[Eman5805]

True, that's why I believe if you think basketball players are not using PED's that's about as dumb as people who thought the Earth was flat.

Great. Because I don't care if they do or don't. I'm sure some do. Why wouldn't they?

But what neither I nor you could possibly know is if AD is using them. So until something comes of it, I'll more concrete reason than "Hey, he's gained a lot a muscle hasn't he?" as just cause to throw around accusations like they're gospel and everyone else is in denial.

[All Metro]

I honestly don't see AD taking the risk of roiding up.

[nola007]

I haven't said once that he is absolutely without a doubt taking PED's. What I have tried to point out is that PED's were proven to be used by baseball, football, cycling and other sports. I think it's very nieve to think it's not happening in basketball.

Great. Because I don't care if they do or don't. I'm sure some do. Why wouldn't they?

But what neither I nor you could possibly know is if AD is using them. So until something comes of it, I'll more concrete reason than "Hey, he's gained a lot a muscle hasn't he?" as just cause to throw around accusations like they're gospel and everyone else is in denial.

[Eman5805]

Not to mention that most PED users in baseball weren't Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, or Barry Bonds, that ended up being big, buff power hitters.

They were mostly players that wanted to get over injuries. Or minor league level guys hoping to make the majors.

I haven't said once that he is absolutely without a doubt taking PED's. What I have tried to point out is that PED's were proven to be used by baseball, football, cycling and other sports. I think it's very nieve to think it's not happening in basketball.

You haven't said he's without a doubt taking them...but yet you say it's impossible for him to do what you believe he did without them?

This sounds exactly like the arguments that were made in baseball when players started getting bigger and stronger. Weight training alone cannot pack on 25 lbs of muscle in 3 months. Sorry.

Well, I suppose it's true you have never actually said that.

Just...kinda really strongly implied it.

[nola007]

What's the risk, the NBA does not test for HGH. Lebron James has been directly linked to the same clinic as AROD. There is no risk.

I honestly don't see AD taking the risk of roiding up.

[MMEmbreno]

I guess Embidd is roiding too then.

[BP225]

I haven't said once that he is absolutely without a doubt taking PED's.

But you've done your best to try and label anyone who doesn't think that a stupid homer. You clearly won't be satisfied until the tenor of this thread changes to Guilty.

AD is a pro athlete so I think he'll take any advantage he can find that works within the rules, but the risk is pretty high to violate the rules for an extra 5-10 lbs of muscle that he'd put on eventually anyway. Also, I wonder how him being involved in international play affects PED screening. I would imagine that increases the risk of getting caught and therefor decreases the desire to take banned substances.

[SaintPelican225]

Was just reading through some NBA reddit posts and there seems to be a healthy amount of fans who think AD is roiding. Apparently his weight gain is unheard of without PEDs. What do you all think? How can we defend AD's honor? Or is he roiding?

I think it's ridiculous to even suggest he's roiding. As hard as Dell and Monty try to bring in high character guys. I don't think they would allow something like that to happen.

[NOLa.]

RIP nola007

[JrueDat]

RIP nola007

Ha! Good Riddance.