Maybe they introduced him to a new method of practicing or analyzed his form and gave him some minor things to fix. Who knows?Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar
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Maybe they introduced him to a new method of practicing or analyzed his form and gave him some minor things to fix. Who knows?
Only reason I wouldn't consider Hibbert is because of price. He played awful during the back end of the season and in the playoffs, but Hibbert is a damn good player. He clearly wasn't "there" for whatever reason, but I don't think that's truly who Roy is as a player.
Still an awful rebounder and we need rebounding badly with aminu out of the picture
The list of 2015 potential FA centers includes:
Hibbert
Robin Lopez
Brook Lopez
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Chandler
Mozgov
Asik
Perkins
Al Jefferson
Enes Kanter
So, long story short - the market will be far stronger at C next year, which tells me that Asik wont get overpaid like Gortat just did (where he was the only good starting center) and that even if we lose him, there are other options
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Hibbert is not as good a fit on this team as Asik. Hibbert is probably worse offensively, and much worse rebounding the ball.
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Centers that will be firmly entrenched someplace...
Andre Drummond
DeMarcus Cousins
Jonas Valanciunas
Joakim Noah
Marcin Gortat
Andrew Bogut
Tiago Splitter
Jahlil Okafor
Chris Bosh (?)
Derrick Favors (?)
Larry Sanders (?)
Greg Monroe might be a center outside of Detroit. Somebody might pay Spencer Hawes way too much.
Vucevic too,right?
"we might make dollars, but we don't necessarily make sense"
"always be sincere....whether you mean it or not"
Shocked I missed him.
I put Pekovic on initially and erased it. I must have meant to put Vucevic
I know we have both been very high on him....
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6.6rpg for someone who is 7'2" is embarrassing. If he isn't going to be an offensive threat, which he isn't, then he better be good on defense, give him that, and be an outstanding rebounder. Insert Asik. JMO
Yeah that's a problem, but if there's any positive to take from that is the Pacers are a great rebounding team. So that means less chances for Hibbert, but some things just don't look right and 7'2 and 6.6RPG is one of those things.
If we end up giving up a first for a one year rental I'll be pissed. Demps hopefully has something in play to keep him around long term or this whole excercise is beyond short sighted.
Yeah I made a push to draft Vucevic when he was leaving USC. I think I suggested it on BBS when it was named something else and you could submit your on pieces.
I thought we get his bird rights?
This is what happens when decision makers feet are held to the fire. Demps couldn't wait.
Hopefully the pool of centers keeps Asik reasonable priced.
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Yep. Just for fun comparison last year Asik averaged 1.3rpb more than Hibbert and Asik played in 10 less minutes per game. The year before that, his first year with Houston, giving the same minutes as Hibbert (30 per) he averaged 11.7rpb
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We do. I think he's just saying if someone else offers a deal that we don't match.
Hibbert is def better offensively, he has a post game
Correct me if I'm wrong (i don't fully understand the in's and out's of bird rights) but having his bird rights means we can offer him more money than another team? Is that right? (queue MM)
Last edited by WhoDatPelican; 07-02-2014 at 01:28 PM.
But your overall point is wrong. That was my overall point, and I provided the facts to prove it.
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MM will explain it better. Basically we can go over the cap to resign Asik if we have his bird rights.
EDIT: found this:
http://basketball.about.com/od/colle...ird-rights.htm
For players, having Bird Rights means a lot more flexibility in contract negotiations -- in most cases, players stand to make much more money re-signing with their own teams, rather than leaving in free agency.
Last edited by RaisingTheBar; 07-02-2014 at 01:36 PM.
Yes. It also means we can go over the cap to offer him that money, IIRC. We don't have the league-mandated ability to match any contract offered like a RFA. But since we can offer more money than anyone and go over the cap to do it. It shouldn't be a big deal unless someone offers him a deal that is higher than what we are willing to pay.
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It's not wrong, you just choose to ignore the 5 examples I gave you. So arguing with you is pointless and it's why I stopped responding to anything FT related.
We can offer bigger raises and an extra year and sign him above the cap. We can also offer more "max" money but he won't touch that anyway.
Yeah if you want to compare Asik and Hibbert offensively. Roy IMO is clearly better. Not to say he's better overall.
Last edited by da ThRONe; 07-02-2014 at 01:38 PM.
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