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  1. #776
    Quote Originally Posted by Tin_Food View Post
    Just had a look at some Asik video on youtube, he's a real classic centre. By that I mean he's not an athletic freak, isn't super quick or have guard-like skills, which shouldn't be a big deal for us on offense. curious with the defense though, he's not as quick as I'd hoped, if we still end up practise hedging defense will this become a problem for him as he might not be able to recover in time.
    Every video I watched he recovered pretty well to me, granted they were high lite reels

  2. #777
    Quote Originally Posted by Eman5805 View Post
    Asik is very light on his feet. It's kinda uncanny. People that big in general don't move so well.

    Another fun thing about him is little wasted motion. Very decisive and knows what he's doing at all times.
    Asik seems to have great court vision and anticipation, which I believe leads to the "little wasted motion" you speak of. If things work as they should, I think this move could help AD on several levels. If the Pelicans are able to move Rivers and/or Gordon for a quality small forward, then IMHO the pieces should be in place to make a serious run, barring significant injuries.

  3. #778
    Quote Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican View Post
    My concern with Asik is his horrendous free throw shooting (it's Shaq like). Hack Asik?
    He shot 7% better than Howard the last two seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican View Post
    My concern with Asik is his horrendous free throw shooting (it's Shaq like). Hack Asik?
    Yeah this will be a problem since he will be on the floor at the end of games. Thing that sucks is that most players don't improve their FT shooting when they come here. They usually improve when they leave, like our FT coach sucks or doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    He shot 7% better than Howard the last two seasons.
    That's supposed to make me feel better? Dwight sucks at free throws, and from his short stint with the Lakers it showed because there were games where he was pulled in the 4th because of how much he sucks at free throws.

  7. #782
    If Dell manages to keep Anderson, the pelicans should have one of the most interesting teams inside. You can create a very interesting rotation with AD playing 36 minutes (18 minutes PF, 18 minutes C), Ryno 30 (all PF) and Asik 30 (all center). There would be basically three combination inside for the pels.

    First the "None shall pass" for an average of 18 minutes per game with AD and Asik disrupting the PnR and protecting the rim.
    Then the "Open season" for an average of 18 minutes per game with Ryno and AD destroying the opponent on the offensive end. Best suited against offensively-challenged teams and smaller bigs.
    And there would be also the "AD may take some rest but not the opponent" with Ryno doing his thing and Asik patrolling the paint.

    That would be a pretty good and versatile frontcourt rotation.

  8. #783
    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    Yeah this will be a problem since he will be on the floor at the end of games. Thing that sucks is that most players don't improve their FT shooting when they come here. They usually improve when they leave, like our FT coach sucks or doesn't exist.
    This is false. There are 6 players here who played for the team at least 2 years and had over 50 attempts. Out of those 6 players, 4 of them improved their FT shooting %, most of those by a significant amount.

    Also, how do you know Asik will finish games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post

    I wonder what the significance of 7/15 is. That seems odd considering Houston needs to clear the cap space for free agency.

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    Deals done, but it isn't legal thanks to salary cap brikabrak?

    Meh. Things will work out, I'm sure. Just wondering specifically how.


    And when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN View Post
    I wonder what the significance of 7/15 is. That seems odd considering Houston needs to clear the cap space for free agency.
    To my understanding I think deals can be retroactively "filed" in any other that allows them to be legal by a certain date or once the team is content with the deals it has confirmed. I probably have this wrong concerning particulars but I think I convey the point I'm attempting to put across.
    Jrue dat

  12. #787
    Quote Originally Posted by Eman5805 View Post
    Deals done, but it isn't legal thanks to salary cap brikabrak?

    Meh. Things will work out, I'm sure. Just wondering specifically how.


    And when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican View Post
    My concern with Asik is his horrendous free throw shooting (it's Shaq like). Hack Asik?
    Is he at 55%? That is at about the point that the hacking strategy hurts the team doing the fouling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibner View Post
    Is he at 55%? That is at about the point that the hacking strategy hurts the team doing the fouling.
    He's at 55% for his career. Last year he was at 62%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibner View Post
    Is he at 55%? That is at about the point that the hacking strategy hurts the team doing the fouling.
    Career 54.4%, but better in most recent years (closing in on 60%).

  17. #792
    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    He's at 55% for his career. Last year he was at 62%.
    Cool. Then doing 'hack-asik' will usually work to our benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibner View Post
    Is he at 55%? That is at about the point that the hacking strategy hurts the team doing the fouling.

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    If anyone is wondering where 55% comes from, if you make your free-throws at that rate, you are scoring at 1.1 points-per-possession (or 110 ORtg). If a team averaged that amount all season, they would be one of the top offenses in the league. The Clippers led the league last season at 112.1 ORtg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythrol View Post
    This is false. There are 6 players here who played for the team at least 2 years and had over 50 attempts. Out of those 6 players, 4 of them improved their FT shooting %, most of those by a significant amount.

    Also, how do you know Asik will finish games?
    Really? A whole 4 players? That's nice. Now look at how players improve after they leave here. I'll throw out the ones I remember just off the top of my head. Okafor, Ariza, Marco Belineli, Carl Landry, Chandler was the big one, that's when we showed we weren't doing something right.

  21. #796
    Teams can only do the Hack A (insert player) when the team is already in the bonus. This is why Ryno is so valuable and why I maintain that he will finish games. If Asik is on the floor at the beginning of the 1st, 3rd, and 4th, middle of the 2nd, as I expect - then this is a non issue.
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  22. #797
    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    Really? A whole 4 players? That's nice. Now look at how players improve after they leave here. I'll throw out the ones I remember just off the top of my head. Okafor, Ariza, Marco Belineli, Carl Landry, Chandler was the big one, that's when we showed we weren't doing something right.
    Did you read the rest of the post? 4/6 players who were here for two years (with the current coaching staff) improved. Monty and his crew never had the chance to work with Chandler so how is he even relevant?

  23. #798
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara View Post
    He doesnt have slow feet. I know that he is white, so we assume that. But he is very agile and extremely quick laterally. His pick and roll defense is the best I have seen from any big in the league outside of Noah.
    Makes sense, perhaps it's the lateral quickness that I'm discounting, or his quickness in general. So maybe he isn't as fast in a foot race, but his reaction time is great, no doubt he's got great hands and timing for blocking shots.

    Also, he's from Turkey, which is part Europe and part Asia. Eurasian then?
    Quote Originally Posted by Eman5805 View Post
    Impossible. The octopus that lives in my brain hasn't squibbered anything about it to me.


    Also, that's how octopi talk. They squibber. Yes, it's a word. Shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibner View Post
    Did you read the rest of the post? 4/6 players who were here for two years (with the current coaching staff) improved. Monty and his crew never had the chance to work with Chandler so how is he even relevant?
    So every employee that worked for us was fired when Monty took over? He was still there for the other 4 players I mentioned, but thanks on cherry-picking one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tin_Food View Post
    Makes sense, perhaps it's the lateral quickness that I'm discounting, or his quickness in general. So maybe he isn't as fast in a foot race, but his reaction time is great, no doubt he's got great hands and timing for blocking shots.

    Also, he's from Turkey, which is part Europe and part Asia. Eurasian then?
    I have watched every single P&R possession on defense from last two years. Also, every possession when he switched onto a guard. I was blown away. If AD keeps getting the mental part of that side down, those two can be the top two big men in the league once Noah starts to slow down at defending the pick and roll

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