I'm not one to gossip, but...Trade w/ Wolves?!?

[UNO Gracias]

Is Kahn still the GM up there in Minny?

I am for Martin and Bud, but if we "only" walk away with Martin and Brewer so be it. Worse things have happened.

I just wish we could some how get Glenn Robinson.

[WhoDatPelican]

[RUFshreve]

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but if a reliable source tells you that the Wolves offered Martin for EG, how do you not ask any questions? I surely would've atleast asked when this offer was made and if he knew what Dell and the FO thought about it.

[HornetGuru]

I really hope this deal goes down. I would be ecstatic cause we would have room to add a decent small forward. If we could swing Eric Gordon for Kevin Martin and Corey Brewer or Chase Budinger, we wouldn't need to add anything except maybe a back up point guard not named Brian Roberts. Unless they believe Austin and/or Smith can play it or they start Martin with Reke coming off the bench there.

This 14 man roster would make the playoffs for sure IMO, assuming Young & Smith make it:

C: Asik, Ajinca, Withey
PF: AD, Ryno, Young
SF: Brewer, Miller, Babbitt
SG: Reke, Martin
PG: Jrue, Rivers, Smith

Not to sound condescending but that lineup would never work, the only player on the floor that could shoot would be jrue. In all honesty I would start jrue martin and tyreke and put tyreke on the teams better offensive threat out of their sg or sf and out jrue on the netter offensive threat between the pg and sg and hide martin defensively on the other teams perimeter shooter like jj redick.

[msw2024]

Gordon has real injury concerns, an attitude problem, and is paid like he's a superstar but has never played all star and his numbers are declining. He's a step slower. No GM is thinking they would love to add that to their team!!!!


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U sound like a troll lol.

[NMThreeMVP]

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but if a reliable source tells you that the Wolves offered Martin for EG, how do you not ask any questions? I surely would've atleast asked when this offer was made and if he knew what Dell and the FO thought about it.

I'm not a reporter and I wasn't even in an information gathering mode! In hindsight I could've asked questions, but we were all busy doing something else, and the NBA came up during a pause in the action. I knew the guy would know what was going on with Pelicans, but I never had any intention of asking any Pelicans questions. I started taking about the NBA just to give a Knicks fan a hard time about Jose Calderon being their savior and them being the 10th seed in the East next year. That's when the info was volunteered. We literally talked about Pelicans for 90 seconds. And then later I told him Dell should trade Gordon for me. It never occurred to me at all to pry more info out of him.

I think calling this dude "a source" implies that I have this relationship where I go to him for information. It's not like that at all. We don't have that kind of relationship. But he's a basketball guy with the Pelicans, and I've only shared the words that came out of his mouth.

[HornetGuru]

Lets say it is Martin and Budinger. You are looking at this

Jrue/Rivers/Smith
Tyreke/Martin
Need/Budinger
Davis/Ryno/Babbitt
Asik/Ajinca/Withey/Young

You would have Bird Rights to Aminu, Smith, Roberts, and Miller plus the MLE and BAE

Talk about having a combination of depth, star power, and assets. An absolute no brainer

If we did this trade we would def still have the mle for tucker??? Wow

[HornetGuru]

Let me reiterate for those who it's not clear to...

A guy who works for the Pelicans on the BBall side of the operation, not some ticket rep or marketing person, flat out said that Minnesota has offered Kevin Martin for Eric Gordon.

Now when this offer happened... I don't know. What Dell's response was... I don't know.

What I do know, is in the context of where we were and what we were talking about (the Knick/Mavs trade) there was no reason at all for this person to volunteer that information and lie about it.

What I'm 10000% right about regardless of whether this deal gets done, is that a Pelicans employee who talks to our coaches and players daily said that deal was offered by Minnesota.

So... That's that.

And like I said before, I don't too much care about the reaction of the board if this doesn't happen. I'm a grown man! The internet isn't real!

Love the attitude man, this is he internet and if someone wants to bash you because you took the time to post info u didnt have to then screw em, if they cant appreciate ur efforts then who ares.

Also, can I ask u a question? Did ur guy say when this deal was offered? Before the draft? During? After the draft was over? The day after he draft? Once again thank you for ur info, it is greatly appreciated by most of us.

[HornetGuru]

The rumor is unlikely to be true. Why, someone tell me, why would Minnesota do this trade????????


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Because they wont win a championship with love and role players, if there is a chance that gordon to return to form and become the player he could be then it works out. Teams will take major risks if it means keeping their superstar happy or a chance at a championship. Everyone on here said there was absolutely no way dell could move ariza or okafor, let alone both! But look what happened, the wizards are very glad they made that trade, and with our salary from it, we give gordon a huge contract that didnt work and we all thought that we came out a million times in top. Things happen all the time the way they are not expected to.

[HornetGuru]

Lets not get greedy now! If this is on the table, you take it. You dont try to do better. Take it and run Dell!!!

This, if u do that the upside is not nearly worth the gamble of the downside, which is getting stuck with gordon and not being able to trade him.

[Domejandro]

Timberwolves fan, and I must say I find this trade very intriguing. I usually don't use the ESPN Trade Machine because I like adding more detail, but I feel lazy, and it will work well enough, haha.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lu37cds

A good friend of mine within the Wolves organization, and myself were discussing this, and he said it is a practical scenario. (Edit: Of course with major tweaking here and there, but it still excites me non-the-less, haha.) My reasoning behind this being reasonable is...

1. The trade frees future cap room for Ricky Rubio and other rookie pay raises.
2. The trade frees up additional roster spots that would have pushed the Timberwolves to the 15 player maximum limit.
3a. The Golden State trade is not help up on Klay, but rather Kevin Martin and Harrison Barnes.
3b. Golden State does not have any interest in Kevin Martin's contract, nor giving up Harrison Barnes.
3c. It is a given that Klay would be dealt, and that has already been agreed upon.
3d. This would force Golden State to give up Barnes as a complementary asset in the trade.
4. Flip Saunders is greatly displeased with last year's signings to appease Rick Adelman, mainly Kevin Martin.
5. Timberwolves would become more athletic, fitting more to Ricky Rubio's strengths. (Opinion based by me.)
6. This frees up New Orleans MLE within my understanding.
7. New Orleans becomes a deeper team, and becomes far more durable.
8. You guys really seem to hate Eric Gordon ever since he gave New Orleans the middle finger for matching the max offer sheet from Phoenix, haha.
9. Golden State has this weird obsession with blowing up their roster for another big time player.
10. Kevin Martin is horrible. Cough, I mean this helps the Pelicans become a better team this season.
11. Timberwolves can always send a few second rounders to make New Orleans feel better.

As a Timberwolves fan I would {edited - "be excited"} on this trade. Even if Gordon did not work out at all, it helps the Golden State trade go through perfectly. That is the real value of this deal for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

[HornetGuru]

That was my BIGGEST takeaway from what I heard. Gordon has value.

Just to clarify once again, I didn't hear that this deal was getting done. I heard Minnesota made the offer. And what that tells me more than anything is that Dell has options for trading Gordon. Because if Dell didn't have other options, and Minnesota was the only team that saw value in Gordon, I think Dell would recognize that and we'd be talking right now about how Dell traded Gordon to Minnesota last week.

Exactly, also something else, if dell didnt have more than one possible option for moving gordon he would have never made the trade for asik without knowing for absolute certainty that he could move gordon to make salary cap for asik. You just dont trade for a player and say, maybe I can make salary cap room for this guy, dealer dell has got this covered!

[HornetGuru]

You take it and change your number

gLOL

[Kurgan]

Good god guru, use the edit button a few times

So, any "news" since when i went to bed? Is this going to happen, won't happen, maybe, MM is planning to carry gordon to minneapolis on his back?

[HornetGuru]

Good god guru, use the edit button a few times

So, any "news" since when i went to bed? Is this going to happen, won't happen, maybe, MM is planning to carry gordon to minneapolis on his back?

Lol I would if I was in my laptop but im stuck using my cell phone at the moment.

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

Let me reiterate for those who it's not clear to...

A guy who works for the Pelicans on the BBall side of the operation, not some ticket rep or marketing person, flat out said that Minnesota has offered Kevin Martin for Eric Gordon.

Now when this offer happened... I don't know. What Dell's response was... I don't know.

What I do know, is in the context of where we were and what we were talking about (the Knick/Mavs trade) there was no reason at all for this person to volunteer that information and lie about it.

What I'm 10000% right about regardless of whether this deal gets done, is that a Pelicans employee who talks to our coaches and players daily said that deal was offered by Minnesota.

So... That's that.

And like I said before, I don't too much care about the reaction of the board if this doesn't happen. I'm a grown man! The internet isn't real!

If their GM offered that for EG and Demps said no then there must be other or better offers.
I think there must be things on the cards otherwise Demps wouldn't have tied up the team like this.

[Imnos 2]

Timberwolves fan, and I must say I find this trade very intriguing. I usually don't use the ESPN Trade Machine because I like adding more detail, but I feel lazy, and it will work well enough, haha.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lu37cds

A good friend of mine within the Wolves organization, and myself were discussing this, and he said it is a practical scenario. (Edit: Of course with major tweaking here and there, but it still excites me non-the-less, haha.) My reasoning behind this being reasonable is...

1. The trade frees future cap room for Ricky Rubio and other rookie pay raises.
2. The trade frees up additional roster spots that would have pushed the Timberwolves to the 15 player maximum limit.
3a. The Golden State trade is not help up on Klay, but rather Kevin Martin and Harrison Barnes.
3b. Golden State does not have any interest in Kevin Martin's contract, nor giving up Harrison Barnes.
3c. It is a given that Klay would be dealt, and that has already been agreed upon.
3d. This would force Golden State to give up Barnes as a complementary asset in the trade.
4. Flip Saunders is greatly displeased with last year's signings to appease Rick Adelman, mainly Kevin Martin.
5. Timberwolves would become more athletic, fitting more to Ricky Rubio's strengths. (Opinion based by me.)
6. This frees up New Orleans MLE within my understanding.
7. New Orleans becomes a deeper team, and becomes far more durable.
8. You guys really seem to hate Eric Gordon ever since he gave New Orleans the middle finger for matching the max offer sheet from Phoenix, haha.
9. Golden State has this weird obsession with blowing up their roster for another big time player.
10. Kevin Martin is horrible. Cough, I mean this helps the Pelicans become a better team this season.
11. Timberwolves can always send a few second rounders to make New Orleans feel better.

As a Timberwolves fan I would {edited - "be excited"} on this trade. Even if Gordon did not work out at all, it helps the Golden State trade go through perfectly. That is the real value of this deal for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Some tweaking may need to done, as you said. Like, we are going to have to get something back of some usefulness in the future. I don't like Eric simply from a fit standpoint. I don't think he fits our team. But at the same time I'm not willing to trade him just to get back nothing. Either GS or Minny would have to send us some draft picks and a young player. Being a fellow Vikings fan (assuming) you know how beneficial 1rst round talent can be. Especially, when you get multiple in one draft. So, looking at your trade I would want to drop JJ for a younger wing or guard and some pics (they can be seconds).

[Mythrol]

Domejan, the one part of the trade that won't work right off bat is trading Morrow. He opted out of his contract and will want more money. We could still S&T him but it won't be at the 1M rate.

Also our hatred of Gordon comes far more from the fact that he handcuffs our cap. We are fine with KMart because he will be a backup and scorer off the bench, which is a great role for him.

Tell your friend to just leave a printed out copy of that trade on the GMs desk.

[Spaniard]

Soooo, I don't really get it. Actual dollars here, we gain $8 million in space next offseason, but add $7.3 million to our roster in two seasons. Meanwhile we're getting the much older player that plays no defense. Why is everyone so excited to do this? I think our Gordon hate may have gone to new limits.

Now I'm all about making this Asik thing work as a three team trade that keeps our MLE and bird rights. And I do agree it's better for everyone to ultimately get Gordon in a new city. But along with Asik's cap hold, we aren't feeing up enough after this year to even make the additional $8 million in space worth while. Let's keep the better player, no?

[DroopyDawg]

Domejan... keep Barrea and throw in a couple 2nd rounders, and you got a deal. We're trying to make moves to free up space for Asik, so that extra 4 mill would be defeating the purpose almost.

[MichaelMcNamara]

Soooo, I don't really get it. Actual dollars here, we gain $8 million in space next offseason, but add $7.3 million to our roster in two seasons. Meanwhile we're getting the much older player that plays no defense. Why is everyone so excited to do this? I think our Gordon hate may have gone to new limits.

Now I'm all about making this Asik thing work as a three team trade that keeps our MLE and bird rights. And I do agree it's better for everyone to ultimately get Gordon in a new city. But along with Asik's cap hold, we aren't feeing up enough after this year to even make the additional $8 million in space worth while. Let's keep the better player, no?

So, the money thing - not only is it 8 mil less, but it is 8 mil less the following year as well. 9 mil less owed total. Yes, you have to add a year to the contract, but that year culminates with AD's extension, so we aren't adding money that summer anyway. Martin becomes a trade asset as an expiring if we would like. And it is not like it kills us for next summer. With the Core 4, Asik's hold, and Martin on the books, you can still have 13 million in cap space next summer.

Not only would this trade allow us to keep our MLE, it would allow us to keep Bird Rights to our FA's, and Rivers (the alternative to trading Gordon). And lastly, I think the "better player" is at least debateable, and if not in a vacuum, we can talk better fit for us. Martin has showed he is willing to come off the bench; Gordon didnt seem too fond of the idea. And I can't say this enough - Gordon was the biggest net negative for our team last year when you looked at how our team performed when he was on the court vs. off. Gordon is addition by subtraction. Look at it that way and then I look at it as Martin replacing Morrow.

Evans replaces Gordon, Martin replaces Morrow - I see that as one huge upgrade and one minor one. Morrow is the better spot up shooter, but Martin gets to the line almost 400% more. You look at Martin as a reserve two years ago and he put up a TS% of .608. Even with his crazy 3-pt rate and percentage, Morrow was only .570 last year (Gordon .540)

It is just an absolute no brainer IMO

[Spaniard]

So, the money thing - not only is it 8 mil less, but it is 8 mil less the following year as well. 9 mil less owed total. Yes, you have to add a year to the contract, but that year culminates with AD's extension, so we aren't adding money that summer anyway. Martin becomes a trade asset as an expiring if we would like. And it is not like it kills us for next summer. With the Core 4, Asik's hold, and Martin on the books, you can still have 13 million in cap space next summer.

Not only would this trade allow us to keep our MLE, it would allow us to keep Bird Rights to our FA's, and Rivers (the alternative to trading Gordon). And lastly, I think the "better player" is at least debateable, and if not in a vacuum, we can talk better fit for us. Martin has showed he is willing to come off the bench; Gordon didnt seem too fond of the idea. And I can't say this enough - Gordon was the biggest net negative for our team last year when you looked at how our team performed when he was on the court vs. off. Gordon is addition by subtraction. Look at it that way and then I look at it as Martin replacing Morrow.

Evans replaces Gordon, Martin replaces Morrow - I see that as one huge upgrade and one minor one. Morrow is the better spot up shooter, but Martin gets to the line almost 400% more. You look at Martin as a reserve two years ago and he put up a TS% of .608. Even with his crazy 3-pt rate and percentage, Morrow was only .570 last year (Gordon .540)

It is just an absolute no brainer IMO

I didn't follow the numbers there at all. $8 and $8, $9 total?

Way it looks to me, we have to take a Chase type this season meaning we see a couple of million saved at most but no real cap space anyway.

Next offseason we gain $8 million and that's great. Two off seasons from now Gordon would have been completely gone while now we would be paying Martin $7.3. We net gain nothing.

AD's extension year is tough. We'll have the cap hold first, and we could convince him to wait while we signed someone before ultimately inking his nice and pretty 5 year deal. But I'm thinking there is little chance he doesn't sign the second it's possible and you're probably right about cap space being a non issue that offseason.

You also have to account for Martins age and possible cliff fall over the next three seasons.

All that being said, I won't be upset with the deal. And most anything keeping the MLE and birds makes me happy. But I don't see the big celebration win here.

[Spaniard]

Ps- I don't love having to compete for the playoffs with a team that would now have a lineup of Rubio, Gordon, Brewer, Love and Pekovic. Thankfully it's unlikely they all stay healthy, but still.

[king a]

Timberwolves fan, and I must say I find this trade very intriguing. I usually don't use the ESPN Trade Machine because I like adding more detail, but I feel lazy, and it will work well enough, haha.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lu37cds

A good friend of mine within the Wolves organization, and myself were discussing this, and he said it is a practical scenario. (Edit: Of course with major tweaking here and there, but it still excites me non-the-less, haha.) My reasoning behind this being reasonable is...

1. The trade frees future cap room for Ricky Rubio and other rookie pay raises.
2. The trade frees up additional roster spots that would have pushed the Timberwolves to the 15 player maximum limit.
3a. The Golden State trade is not help up on Klay, but rather Kevin Martin and Harrison Barnes.
3b. Golden State does not have any interest in Kevin Martin's contract, nor giving up Harrison Barnes.
3c. It is a given that Klay would be dealt, and that has already been agreed upon.
3d. This would force Golden State to give up Barnes as a complementary asset in the trade.
4. Flip Saunders is greatly displeased with last year's signings to appease Rick Adelman, mainly Kevin Martin.
5. Timberwolves would become more athletic, fitting more to Ricky Rubio's strengths. (Opinion based by me.)
6. This frees up New Orleans MLE within my understanding.
7. New Orleans becomes a deeper team, and becomes far more durable.
8. You guys really seem to hate Eric Gordon ever since he gave New Orleans the middle finger for matching the max offer sheet from Phoenix, haha.
9. Golden State has this weird obsession with blowing up their roster for another big time player.
10. Kevin Martin is horrible. Cough, I mean this helps the Pelicans become a better team this season.
11. Timberwolves can always send a few second rounders to make New Orleans feel better.

As a Timberwolves fan I would {edited - "be excited"} on this trade. Even if Gordon did not work out at all, it helps the Golden State trade go through perfectly. That is the real value of this deal for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

I have no clue why the Warriors would trade that much for K Love.

[AirForce1]

And I have no clue why the Wolves want Klay and Barnes so much.