Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

[NMThreeMVP]

I would do Rivers for Green/17. That to me would be fair. It allows the Celtics to clear about $5m plus the rookie cap hold at 17. It also gives them a player that IMO has as much potential as any player they could grab at 17, Saric not included. Gotta remember, Austin is younger than Michael Carter Williams. Dude still has room to improve.

[Sleeper]

I hate when we have a ton of good arguments and then somebody comes out with a poor one. Allows the opponent to focus in on the poor argument and crush it; ignore the good ones.

Forget TheDawg's argument. You have any responses to the good arguments against Green for Ryno? I am completely open minded but haven't been swayed yet one inch.

Well MM i would have to say your arguments are about as subjective as mine. Personally, i think you guys value Anderson way too much for a team with such gaping holes. It's as simple as that. I can't disagree or agree with which of the two players are better. They both have their weaknesses but similar in that they can stretch the floor. Nobody has even pointed out the fact that Anderson had a back injury last year, which is not a good thing for bigs getting up in age. I'm going to digress and say there is no way to really tell if it's a good or bad trade because we really didn't get to see much of Ryno last year with everyone playing and we only have a small recent sample of Jeff Green playing like the all star he has potential to be. The advanced stats are undebatable in terms of Ryno's being much better Career wise but don't take into account that Green was having heart problems early in his career and went off after he was diagnosed and treated. Also, he was asked to be the next Paul Pierce last year and of course his defense and shot percentage are going to suffer because he is no Paul Pierce and was trying to hard to make chicken salad out of chicken poo. Your argument is 9 out of ten times a player don't change when going to a new team. That's totally subjective but you are right there is a chance that he tries to be a ballhawk due to him being in a contract year. Although, the flip side is that his knock is inconsistency and inefficiency, so you'd think he would want to improve in those areas before his player option comes up.

Don't get me wrong. I will not be upset if this doesn't happen because Ryno is a valuable asset and there are a few options out there to fill the hole at SF at least as stop gaps.


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[MichaelMcNamara]

Well MM i would have to say your arguments are about as subjective as mine. Personally, i think you guys value Anderson way too much for a team with such gaping holes. It's as simple as that. I can't disagree or agree with which of the two players are better. They both have their weaknesses but similar in that they can stretch the floor. Nobody has even pointed out the fact that Anderson had a back injury last year, which is not a good thing for bigs getting up in age. I'm going to digress and say there is no way to really tell if it's a good or bad trade because we really didn't get to see much of Ryno last year with everyone playing and we only have a small recent sample of Jeff Green playing like the all star he has potential to be. The advanced stats are undebatable in terms of Ryno's being much better Career wise but don't take into account that Green was having heart problems early in his career and went off after he was diagnosed and treated. Also, he was asked to be the next Paul Pierce last year and of course his defense and shot percentage are going to suffer because he is no Paul Pierce and was trying to hard to make chicken salad out of chicken poo. Your argument is 9 out of ten times a player does't change when going to a new team. That's totally subjective but you are right there is a chance that he tries to be a ballhawk due to him being in a contract year. Although, the flip side is that his knock is inconsistency and inefficiency, so you'd think he would want to improve in those areas before his player option comes up.



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Agree that one or two of my arguments were subjective, but the majority was not. OKC was better when he was off the court. His advanced stats are subpar. He offers nothing in terms of assists, steals, and blocks, and is an average rebounder at best. You touted his play with Rondo, and I showed with objective statistics just how terrible he was with Rondo.

No subjectivity there. On the other side, I see no objective argument for Green as even an equal player to Ryno, let alone superior. All I see is conjecture and hope that he can become somebody else other than who he has been. So, are there any objective measures by which that argument can be made, or is it more a "Do the trade and hope for the best," kind of thing?

[goat gorilla]

If the bulls are going after melo or lebron, does that make Butler attainable?

[MichaelMcNamara]

If the bulls are going after melo or lebron, does that make Butler attainable?

They actually play him at SG mostly. And with him only making 2 mil this year, he wont be the difference in them being able to sign a guy or not.

Now, if they do get a guy like Melo, would a notoriously cheap owner match a big contract if we threw one at Butler next summer? That is a good question.

[goat gorilla]

I would set my sights on him. I think we end up with someone like Dudley as a stopgap this yr. Let Gordon prove value over first 20 games then trade him to clear space. Hell trade directly to bulls for butler and contract fillers to make it work.

[durun]

Agree that one or two of my arguments were subjective, but the majority was not. OKC was better when he was off the court. His advanced stats are subpar. He offers nothing in terms of assists, steals, and blocks, and is an average rebounder at best. You touted his play with Rondo, and I showed with objective statistics just how terrible he was with Rondo.

No subjectivity there. On the other side, I see no objective argument for Green as even an equal player to Ryno, let alone superior. All I see is conjecture and hope that he can become somebody else other than who he has been. So, are there any objective measures by which that argument can be made, or is it more a "Do the trade and hope for the best," kind of thing?
No subjectivity there. On the other side, I see no objective argument for Green as even an equal player to Ryno, let alone superior.
I like to retweet Jerry V’s quote from two months ago referring to BSS bloggers: “There are lies, damned lies and statistics.”
I am sure you find stats to support any position you want. It is the analysis that I always question. So what does Anderson brings in terms of assists, steals and blocks? In this case it is also your facts. Career wise, Green averages more assists, steals and blocks than RA. Also, Green has better FG% but Anderson is a much better three point shooter.

[AirForce1]

So there's another guy that would trade Anderson + 1st round pick for Green, crazy world we're living in..

[cki3915]

Here is my question to everyone, (more specifically to MM and others who actually know what they are talking about):

Assuming that AD is off limits in a trade (duh), is Ryno the best trade asset we have currently on the roster?

[HalfBreed]

What if we're trying to get a late pick to select Sim Buhller 7'5 center
http://youtu.be/znsXGoPOCWU

Isn't the guy that's helping him is one of our trainers? I'm not sure but it look like him.

[UNO Gracias]

In accounting it's, "If you want a number bad enough you will get bad numbers."

[DroopyDawg]

That's a big dude. Sheesh.

[greewe]

Here is my question to everyone, (more specifically to MM and others who actually know what they are talking about):

Assuming that AD is off limits in a trade (duh), is Ryno the best trade asset we have currently on the roster?

I would say Jrue, especially because Ryno is coming off of an uncommon injury.

In terms of assets, I would think:

Jrue
Ryno
Future 1st?
Tyreke
Rivers?
Pierre
Withey

[MichaelMcNamara]

Here is my question to everyone, (more specifically to MM and others who actually know what they are talking about):

Assuming that AD is off limits in a trade (duh), is Ryno the best trade asset we have currently on the roster?

By February, he could be. Right now, though, I would say no because teams want to see him play first. I think it would go:

1. AD
2. Jrue
3. (tie) Reke and Ryno



172. Smoothie King straws
173. Eric Gordon

[TheDawg26]

By February, he could be. Right now, though, I would say no because teams want to see him play first. I think it would go:

1. AD
2. Jrue
3. (tie) Reke and Ryno



172. Smoothie King straws
173. Eric Gordon

LOL! What's 171? A stale bag of corn chips!

[Eman5805]

LOL! What's 171? A stale bag of corn chips!

Tommy Parsons.

[lsutigers33]

LOL! What's 171? A stale bag of corn chips!

MM is 171

[UNO Gracias]

Tommy Parsons.

Oh swimmer.

[504ByrdGang]

I see a lot of teams are willing to trade their picks but I think their asking price will be outlandish.

[Mythrol]

I see a lot of teams are willing to trade their picks but I think their asking price will be outlandish.

The Lakers asking price of MCW, Young, and clearing Nash's cap is to be believed then yes. . .the prices are outlandish.

[JunkHead]

I would run down the street naked if this happened. We'd have 2 first round picks and enough cap to go after monroe, parsons or hayward. Winning.

I'd cheer for getting rid of Gordon. Cheer for getting 2 picks. Hell, I'd watch the nekkid video. Go ahead. Judge me. I don't care. I'd be too drunk from celebrating to worry about it.

[RUFshreve]

Tommy Parsons.

I hear he's a good workout partner.

[RUFshreve]

What if we're trying to get a late pick to select Sim Buhller 7'5 center
http://youtu.be/znsXGoPOCWU

Isn't the guy that's helping him is one of our trainers? I'm not sure but it look like him.

He has a brother who is 7'3 as well. He looks out of shape though and not very mobile. I don't think he'll make it in the NBA very long.

[NMThreeMVP]

Rivers/Ryno/2015 top 5 protected
for
6/17/Green/Anthony

Would save Celtics about $2m plus cost of using #6 and #17. They could go after Melo and they would be loaded with 4 or 5 2015 1st round draft picks to trade for another piece or use to move Wallace giving them more cap to sign another piece.

[tyler]

I would do Rivers for Green/17. That to me would be fair. It allows the Celtics to clear about $5m plus the rookie cap hold at 17. It also gives them a player that IMO has as much potential as any player they could grab at 17, Saric not included. Gotta remember, Austin is younger than Michael Carter Williams. Dude still has room to improve.

PLEASE tell me that you don't actually think the Celtics would actually take this seriously.