last year's trade for Jrue Holiday was one-sided

[WhoDatPelican]

http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.s...lack_of_d.html

The Pelicans had mortgaged their immediate future a year ago when the team overpaid for point guard Jrue Holiday, foolishly adding a second No. 1 pick – this year's – to the mix along with last year's choice (Nerlens Noel) in the draft-night trade that brought Holiday to New Orleans from the Philadelphia 76ers.

The Pelicans then worsened the deal by hedging the bet and only making this year's No. 1 a top-5 protected choice.

NOLA.com writers... keep on cranking out the hits... /sarcasm

Articles like this gahbage make me appreciate BSS even more.

[MichaelMcNamara]

The Times Picuyne found a good writer in Nakia Hogan. The rest are beyond terrible. I hope they can find away to keep Nakia and not lose him like this market loses every good sports personality


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[UNO Gracias]

TBH, reading this article a year ago the writer would have gotten the reaction that he wanted. Reading it now, cooler heads would see that we traded Nerlens Noel and a late lottery pick for a top 10 pg. Two unknowns, for a known quantity seems like a really great deal (unless those unknowns turn into all star players).

[Eman5805]

Because our future hinges on...who might even be available at #10, James Young, I guess?

[HornetGuru]

I'd much rather Jrue than Nerlens Noel and someone like Nik Stauskis.

Until Nerlens proves his knee is fine he is worth nothing. His game was strictly athleticism. We will see, but I think 5 years from now we easily win the trade.

If you told me you could trade 2 draft picks for players who could become busts for a 23 year old 2-way all-star not even in his prime yet I would do it everytime.

[WhoDatPelican]

It's sad that the main news outlet for the city is this garbage. It seems like every other article they put out just dumps on the Pels. What a great way to gain fans... It's rare i see a POSITIVE article about the Pels from these clowns.
This one in-particular rubbed me the wrong way. He is literally taking a negative stance on a trade which cannot be logically judged at this point. Just blows my mind honestly.

[Kurgan]

I thought i'd read something like this on espn...but local newspaper? Get real, geez

[Kibner]

It's sad that the main news outlet for the city is this garbage. It seems like every other article they put out just dumps on the Pels. What a great way to gain fans... It's rare i see a POSITIVE article about the Pels from these clowns.
This one in-particular rubbed me the wrong way. He is literally taking a negative stance on a trade which cannot be logically judged at this point. Just blows my mind honestly.

I stopped reading this site for a few months because it was just constant negativity. Imagine that article but instead about Monty, Gordon, Stiemsma, Roberts, and Aminu multiple times every day in every thread.

[N.O.Bronco]

This is one of those things I've went back and forth on for a while but there is no way to determine whether this was a smart move or not until Noel plays. And even then for a year or two.

Knee injuries are not what they used to be and Noel is clearly already rehabbing well considering he's been working on his FT, shooting and moves.

If Noel turns out to be a more offensively gifted Chandler or even just a top 5 center in the league in a couple years the trade will look awful on our end and we will be written down into history as one of those "what if" stories about teams that traded away a long term perfect match to chase the here and now.

If Noel struggles with injuries and his small frame and skillset don't develop in a way that makes him more then a frustration and mediocre player then the move will look smart.

Lastly had we not traded for Jrue we likely would of ended up higher in the draft then we are now. We also likely wouldn't have jumped the gun on Evans, as it was a move to try and shore up the roster faster to start winning in the short term. Which all in all would of had us much higher in the draft order this season.

[HornetGuru]

This is one of those things I've went back and forth on for a while but there is no way to determine whether this was a smart move or not until Noel plays. And even then for a year or two.

Knee injuries are not what they used to be and Noel is clearly already rehabbing well considering he's been working on his FT, shooting and moves.

If Noel turns out to be a more offensively gifted Chandler or even just a top 5 center in the league in a couple years the trade will look awful on our end and we will be written down into history as one of those "what if" stories about teams that traded away a long term perfect match to chase the here and now.

If Noel struggles with injuries and his small frame and skillset don't develop in a way that makes him more then a frustration and mediocre player then the move will look smart.

Lastly had we not traded for Jrue we likely would of ended up higher in the draft then we are now. We also likely wouldn't have jumped the gun on Evans, as it was a move to try and shore up the roster faster to start winning in the short term. Which all in all would of had us much higher in the draft order this season.

U are just saying what if Noel improves, he has a long way to go, he has no offensive game and I don't think his rehab went as well as planned since he was out for an extended time than originally thought.

But back to IF Noel improves. You forgot about Jrue. What if Jrue improves and becomes a 20-10-5 guy with lockdown defense and his sharp shooter 3 point skills?

[da ThRONe]

Of course anybody that doesn't agree with us are dumb and should only say positive things.

People are entitled to their opinions. This guy like him or not actually gets paid for his opinion. Either way getting your panties in a knot every time somebody doesn't see things your way does nothing for you.

[da ThRONe]

This is one of those things I've went back and forth on for a while but there is no way to determine whether this was a smart move or not until Noel plays. And even then for a year or two.

Knee injuries are not what they used to be and Noel is clearly already rehabbing well considering he's been working on his FT, shooting and moves.

If Noel turns out to be a more offensively gifted Chandler or even just a top 5 center in the league in a couple years the trade will look awful on our end and we will be written down into history as one of those "what if" stories about teams that traded away a long term perfect match to chase the here and now.

If Noel struggles with injuries and his small frame and skillset don't develop in a way that makes him more then a frustration and mediocre player then the move will look smart.

Lastly had we not traded for Jrue we likely would of ended up higher in the draft then we are now. We also likely wouldn't have jumped the gun on Evans, as it was a move to try and shore up the roster faster to start winning in the short term. Which all in all would of had us much higher in the draft order this season.

I agree the dreaded "consensus" will do what they do judging with the gift of hindsight. This trade needs to be judge for what it is now. Later depends on so many things that are out of anybody's control.

[WhoDatPelican]

Of course anybody that doesn't agree with us are dumb and should only say positive things.

People are entitled to their opinions. This guy like him or not actually gets paid for his opinion. Either way getting your panties in a knot every time somebody doesn't see things your way does nothing for you.

Thank you for this nugget of wisdom...

Its more about the fact he's the "Pelican's beat writer" and he is putting an opinion out there that is lacking any real facts about this trade.
2 important parts of this trade 1) Noel and 2) 10th pick in draft are COMPLETELY UNKNOWN. How can you say who "won" the trade or it was "one sided" with out the information and data for those 2 unknowns?

I'm fine with him saying it's a bad trade if Noel is a BEAST and the 10th pick in the draft is another Paul George (to use his example) but the fact of the matter is we have no idea.

I mean the opinion is based on 0 facts. Might as well write an article about "how unicorns are superior to normal horses"...

[504ByrdGang]

This is one of those things I've went back and forth on for a while but there is no way to determine whether this was a smart move or not until Noel plays. And even then for a year or two.

Knee injuries are not what they used to be and Noel is clearly already rehabbing well considering he's been working on his FT, shooting and moves.

If Noel turns out to be a more offensively gifted Chandler or even just a top 5 center in the league in a couple years the trade will look awful on our end and we will be written down into history as one of those "what if" stories about teams that traded away a long term perfect match to chase the here and now.

If Noel struggles with injuries and his small frame and skillset don't develop in a way that makes him more then a frustration and mediocre player then the move will look smart.

Lastly had we not traded for Jrue we likely would of ended up higher in the draft then we are now. We also likely wouldn't have jumped the gun on Evans, as it was a move to try and shore up the roster faster to start winning in the short term. Which all in all would of had us much higher in the draft order this season.

If we havent traded fro Jrue we may have been in the same position in the lotto. Grevis/Gordon/Aminu/AD/Ryno/and Lopez all healthy would have been a 9th or 10th lotto spot. With AD playing less than 30 min and Gordon playing less than half a season we were already at the 6th spot.

[MichaelMcNamara]

People are focused on his conclusion. I dont care about that. If he disagrees with the trade, fine - I dont care. But just lay out a solid argument that does not contradict itself. All I ask.

Smith can't do that here. THAT is my problem. Contradicts himself all over the place and reaches on so many of his premises that it is the structure of the argument that makes me shake my head. That is the problem, more than his conclusion - which he is perfectly entitled to.

[SeaLegs]

Of course anybody that doesn't agree with us are dumb and should only say positive things.

People are entitled to their opinions. This guy like him or not actually gets paid for his opinion. Either way getting your panties in a knot every time somebody doesn't see things your way does nothing for you.

If the piece made fair points of critcism then no one would be complaining. The article calls a move lopsided that is at worst questionable and does very little to justify the stance.

I don't see where anyone said, "anybody that doesn't agree with us are dumb and should only say positive things."

[PELICANSFAN]

U are just saying what if Noel improves, he has a long way to go, he has no offensive game and I don't think his rehab went as well as planned since he was out for an extended time than originally thought.

But back to IF Noel improves. You forgot about Jrue. What if Jrue improves and becomes a 20-10-5 guy with lockdown defense and his sharp shooter 3 point skills?

Noel stayed out the season (as expected) because there was nothing to gain with how the team was playing. There was no reason to rush him. People said AD had no offensive game as well, so we will have to see what he has when he starts playing. Jrue only played 34 games, so it is not like it is a slam dunk that we "won" the trade. There is a lot to be seen with all the involved players before either, or both, sides can be declared the "winner."

[SeaLegs]

Noel stayed out the season (as expected) because there was nothing to gain with how the team was playing. There was no reason to rush him. People said AD had no offensive game as well, so we will have to see what he has when he starts playing. Jrue only played 34 games, so it is not like it is a slam dunk that we "won" the trade. There is a lot to be seen with all the involved players before either, or both, sides can be declared the "winner."

Exactly. Whether it's Bill Simmons or this article, it's frustrating to see people judge the move without acknowledging that there's literally 0 data to go by on Philly's side. If anything the data favors the Pelicans, since hey, at least we have some. We have no stats for Noel in the NBA and we don't even know who our pick will amount to this year. If you're going to call the trade good or bad, at least admit that it's speculative.

[da ThRONe]

I read the article and nothing really stood out as contradictory. If there's a back story or something I missed I'm all ears(or eyes in this case).

[MichaelMcNamara]

I read the article and nothing really stood out as contradictory. If there's a back story or something I missed I'm all ears(or eyes in this case).

How can you use the number of games Holiday played as a negative and then assert Noels value?

You find that contradictory?


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[MichaelMcNamara]

Bringing up Payl George as an example of all the other 10th picks that shows you are far more likely to get an Austin Rivers than a PG.

Solid way to build an argument or no?


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[da ThRONe]

How can you use the number of games Holiday played as a negative and then assert Noels value?

You find that contradictory?


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No he's saying we sold or future for now. Noel whether he would have played with us or not is a future pick. Trading for Jrue is a now move so the two aren't judge the same way. If anything not playing Noel would have increase or chances of getting/staying within the top 3. Giving up the pick for Holiday (unless it fell in the top 5) was gone to Phily so Jrue missing time didn't benefit us as Nerlens missing time would have.

[da ThRONe]

Bringing up Payl George as an example of all the other 10th picks that shows you are far more likely to get an Austin Rivers than a PG.

Solid way to build an argument or no?

Don't recall reading anything about Paul George in the article.

[WhoDatPelican]

All i have to say is look at Cleveland... Top of the draft pretty much every year and they've done what exactly?
Unless its a top 3 pick, draft picks in the NBA don't mean much to me.

[WhoDatPelican]

Don't recall reading anything about Paul George in the article.

He used George as an example in a response to me in the comments section.