Tyreke struggles

[504ByrdGang]

I think it can be attributed to the way this team plays. With Monty running a half court offense allowing defensive to set it stops him from using his strength of scoring in transition. The same can be said for Gordon who struggle to fight through team clogging the lane. The offenses Monty runs is meant for a team like Memphis who bangs down low but due to us having no true big men it is why we have scoring droughts and is such a struggle to score. If you even watch the game Monty tells his players to bring up the ball slowly and dribble out the clock, this allows teams to set up and kill our offense. The same could be said for Aminu who is a super athletic wing who is best suited to be running the floor and catch lobs, but due to our slow pace game when was the last time he had one? We have a team built of runners and shooters but they are forced to play against the grain. Monty has expressed several time he wants on true center on this team and is trying to force players into his style instead of their strengths which is a coaches job to bring the best out of his players. I wonder if this is something the FO notices.

Look at Tyreke highlights 85% of his point are in transition.



So this somes up either Monty need to be fired, scrap the team, or hire Karl.

[eliczone]

reke needs space,

reke needs ball in his hand,

Monty never play reke's strength,

it's not reke's fault,

like you play Shaq O'neal outside the paint,

and say he's terrible.

when reke with shooters, everything is different

Morrow is shooter, Babbitt is shooter, Miller can shoot,

but Monty always pair him with Aminu

#Montyball

[DroopyDawg]

Its impossible to run ALL THE TIME. Teams won't let you just fast break on every possession. What Tyreke needs to do is develop a mid-range jumper so that players can't sag off of him... that's his problem. Well that and he has forgotten how to finish at the rim. The same layups he's been missing are the same ones he usually makes.

[504ByrdGang]

Its impossible to run ALL THE TIME. Teams won't let you just fast break on every possession. What Tyreke needs to do is develop a mid-range jumper so that players can't sag off of him... that's his problem. Well that and he has forgotten how to finish at the rim. The same layups he's been missing are the same ones he usually makes.

Of course we can't run all the time but holding the ball and dribbling out the clock every possession doesn't help. Monty likes to skew stats so when we are playing slow it looks like were hold opponents from scoring 100pts when it's actually the game moves so slow it's impossible to score that high.

[SharlieCheen]

actually sometimes when i see him play, he hesitates before he drives and lets the D get set and crowd the paint. He needs to learn how to kick out

[AD23forMVP]

I think there's more to it than the team or coaching. Two of the first three plays in that highlight tape were vicious dunks, has Reke dunked even one time this year? And he also looks more athletic.

[Sovereign]

How about Tyreke add a jumpshot so that when teams stop him from driving he isn't completely freaking useless?

[BP225]

How about Tyreke add a jumpshot so that when teams stop him from driving he isn't completely freaking useless?

That's just the thing though, they can't stop him from driving, and last night one of his more ineffective stretches had both Babbit and Morrow on the court with him, but he still had 3 guys in the paint when he got there and no safety valve. He should have had someone flashing to the basket on one side and moving to a 10-12 foot jumper on the other to give him options besides forcing things in traffic. The lack of smart movement without the ball by this team is one of the most frustrating things about them.

[speedyG]

reke needs space,

reke needs ball in his hand,

Monty never play reke's strength,

it's not reke's fault,

like you play Shaq O'neal outside the paint,

and say he's terrible.

when reke with shooters, everything is different

Morrow is shooter, Babbitt is shooter, Miller can shoot,

but Monty always pair him with Aminu

#Montyball

I thought this was a joke about all the excuses needed for Tyreke at first.

Does anyone actually think he was a good signing? We gave up Robin, Greivis and a ton of cap space to get this guy. Rolo has helped transform the Blazers into a playoff team, meanwhile everyone here is begging for a center

[FlyGirl]

Another thing that helped transform the Blazers into a playoff team was a starter not missing 1 game of the season until last night. Well actually I think last night was Aldridge's second miss of the season. I don't know why people keep dismissing this when they mention the Blazers. I believe this team would be in a playoff position had it not been for huge injuries to our main pieces.

Tyreke is better than what he's been displaying many games this season. Sometimes he looks 6th man material and sometimes he just looks like he's half ****** it. It seems he played very well when Ryan was on the court. But he doesn't have Ryan. He definitely needs to add shooting to his game. Tyreke can be and has been unstoppable getting to the rim. He's always had reputable shooters on the floor with him though. Remember how John Salmons used to kill us when he played with Tyreke and the Kings? Well John Salmons usually kills us no matter which team he plays for. LOL. The only thing that drives me nuts is when Tyreke gets all the way to the rim to miss so many layups. He used to seemingly make most of them when he played AGAINST us. LOL. And when was the last time he dunked? Does he still have a lingering injury? The other night I saw Wade dunk and I'm like well damn, Wade can dunk and Tyreke can't? What's going on there?

[Mr. West]

I love the way Reke plays when he's on but I'm starting to have second doubts about signing him. I hope he can get it together and make me eat those words but 11 Mil. for a guy who shoots 41% from the floor and doesn't shoot outside the restricted area? Are you kidding me?

I kept making excuses for him because I liked what he could be and what I saw when he was on... Injuries, a new role on a new team, not enough spacing due to Aminu and Steamer.. But he's gotta start earning his keep.

[Bongzilla]

You people on these forums just don't understand the simplest aspect of business. Results. It is 100% the manager's fault. That's it.
We do not play to our player's strengths, Monty is not flexible, does not adjust, and quite visibly is in over his head.

For those of you who can't see that..... your eyes will finally be opened when we get a new coach. Sadly I'm afraid that is still another year of mediocrity away.

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[FlyGirl]

Yesterday I was looking at the last game we had against the Blazers. That was such a good game. We had Ryan and Jrue. I remember when I orginally watched that game and Tyreke went for that last shot and I was like "NOOO, don't shoot it!!" because I just knew he'd miss it. He made it though. But there wasn't a lot of pressure. If he had missed it, chances are, we only would've gone into overtime. Thing is, not everyone in the league is a good shooter. But if you're not a good shooter, you'd better be able to do something else. Be a great slasher/back door cutter, grab rebounds, play great defense, something. Tyreke is very good getting to the rim. Sometimes he's like a freight train and can't be stopped. When he played for the Kings and used to play against us I used to be like "man, how do yall keep letting Tyreke get in there with that?" His strength has always been getting to the rim. For the most part he's been able to do that but he just seems to be missing more of them than usual. He's got to work on that shooting game. When your special isn't working for you, you have to have something else to fall back on. Sure, he can grab rebounds and dish the ball but his specialty is getting to the rim. How old is he? 24? He still has room to grow his game.

[FlyGirl]

You people on these forums just don't understand the simplest aspect of business. Results. It is 100% the manager's fault. That's it.
We do not play to our player's strengths, Monty is not flexible, does not adjust, and quite visibly is in over his head.

For those of you who can't see that..... your eyes will finally be opened when we get a new coach. Sadly I'm afraid that is still another year of mediocrity away.

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Well until we get a new coach, we're still going to talk about what we see TODAY and that includes the players. Even with a new coach, Tyreke working on his shooting game can only be a good thing for him and the team.

[TheDawg26]

A few things I saw from this tape about Evans. He looks more physical and confident going to rim and finishing (I cant believe he can actually dunk). Also, he isn't used the what he was when he was successful. He had the ball in his hand and would push the fast break more. However, he can't always be a one trick pony. He needs to add to his game like other great players did a couple years into the league like Westbrook and Rose who can get to the basket at will like Evans but he became decent shooters. I think that's the only thing from him becoming a perennial all star.

[FlyGirl]

The thing that makes me laugh is when Tyreke shoots a jumper, I almost always expect him to miss it. And when he shoots it, he kind of shoots it with swag as though he has a pure jumpshot. I'm always pleasantly surprised when he makes them because well, it's not his strong suit.

[PelsFan2313]

The thing that makes me laugh is when Tyreke shoots a jumper, I almost always expect him to miss it. And when he shoots it, he kind of shoots it with swag as though he has a pure jumpshot. I'm always pleasantly surprised when he makes them because well, it's not his strong suit.

I feel that way about Rivers too. At least his spot up jumpers are somewhat respectable now. Evans' jumper needs a lot of work, which is frustrating because this has been a problem of his for a while now.

[BallSoHard]

Why do people think "Adding a Jump shot" "Adding a 3 point shot" is some skill tree on a RPG they're playing? You don't think he's tried? He can keep working on it, and he may get better, he may not. But it's not like he's simply choosing to not want to shoot the J well. He drives always because he has no confidence in it.

[BallSoHard]

I feel that way about Rivers too. At least his spot up jumpers are somewhat respectable now. Evans' jumper needs a lot of work, which is frustrating because this has been a problem of his for a while now.

Rivers is a mixed bag. Sometimes he air balls sometimes he makes it

[JJackisangry]

One thing I have noticed is Tyreke is no longer fading away on all his jumpers. It's a good start albeit his shot is still an abomination.

[FlyGirl]

Why do people think "Adding a Jump shot" "Adding a 3 point shot" is some skill tree on a RPG they're playing? You don't think he's tried? He can keep working on it, and he may get better, he may not. But it's not like he's simply choosing to not want to shoot the J well. He drives always because he has no confidence in it.

I'm sure he HAS worked on it. His brothers mentioned something once about him having a shooting coach. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I guess all he can do is to keep working at it. We probably wouldn't be talking about it so much and it wouldn't matter as much if he were still getting to the rim with ease and making those layups. If the opposing team is packing the paint where he can't drive, then kick it out, don't force it. When he misses at the rim at a steady clip, that's when the "why can't he shoot?" talk comes into play.

[BallSoHard]

You people on these forums just don't understand the simplest aspect of business. Results. It is 100% the manager's fault. That's it.
We do not play to our player's strengths, Monty is not flexible, does not adjust, and quite visibly is in over his head.

For those of you who can't see that..... your eyes will finally be opened when we get a new coach. Sadly I'm afraid that is still another year of mediocrity away.

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Maybe the 'results' his manager is looking for and the 'results' you're looking for are different. As an example, if you're managing a sector of your business that is hemorrhaging money via expenses; maybe it's your goal to cut payroll by 20% for the year (since it's the most controllable expense). You won't be making the fortune 500 group in a year or two doing that but if it's what the O-Suite has requested and you met your goal then chances are they keep you around. Now if you really wanted to excel you'd do a detailed analysis on your work flows and cut your budget or increase your profits in other ways. The latter is what you do if you're great. The former if you're ok.

I kind of think that's what's happening here. I think Monty has been charged with developing his players as his primary goal and the W/L as the cherry on top. I think he's reaching his developing players goal, whether fair or not since AD is going to be a top 5 player within a year or two, and AR is starting to progress as well. The guys he didn't do well with that he's had multiple years to work with can be assessed to other things. Gordon, slew of injuries inhibiting his athletic ability. Aminu just doesn't get it.

All I'm saying is i think the evaluation of Monty Williams by the higher ups extends further than the saving company's bottom line or in this case W/L. And honestly if you look at it, despite the injuries we are getting better in that aspect. We're only 4 wins off of our last season's total. I'm not saying that can be attributed to Monty but if you're going to give him blame you have to be fair.

[BallSoHard]

I'm sure he HAS worked on it. His brothers mentioned something once about him having a shooting coach. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I guess all he can do is to keep working at it. We probably wouldn't be talking about it so much and it wouldn't matter as much if he were still getting to the rim with ease and making those layups. If the opposing team is packing the paint where he can't drive, then kick it out, don't force it. When he misses at the rim at a steady clip, that's when the "why can't he shoot?" talk comes into play.

His finishing at the rim has been a real concern of mine. He brought two elite skills when he signed, one ball handling and the other was finishing. It seems to be something that is off and on for him this year. Honestly, if he can't finish at the rim he brings little to the table with a lack of a shot. I think that's why Monty wants to see him distribute more. To bring another asset to the table so he can play him, and because it keeps the defense honest when they crowd the paint.

[Sovereign]

Why do people think "Adding a Jump shot" "Adding a 3 point shot" is some skill tree on a RPG they're playing? You don't think he's tried? He can keep working on it, and he may get better, he may not. But it's not like he's simply choosing to not want to shoot the J well. He drives always because he has no confidence in it.

When LEBRON JAMES of all people can average 40% from behind the arc and win game 7 of the NBA Finals shooting midrange jumpshots, when Durant can go from 28% to 40% behind the 3pt line, when Tim Duncan can improve his FT shooting to the extent that he has, and when DANNY GREEN goes from being CUT by the Cavs to almost being the Finals MVP you better believe that I expect to see Tyreke Evans put some skill points into the jump shot tree.

The NBA is absolutely an RPG and Tyreke better level the freak up for the amount of money this guy's making.

[MichaelMcNamara]

When LEBRON JAMES of all people can average 40% from behind the arc and win game 7 of the NBA Finals shooting midrange jumpshots, when Durant can go from 28% to 40% behind the 3pt line, when Tim Duncan can improve his FT shooting to the extent that he has, and when DANNY GREEN goes from being CUT by the Cavs to almost being the Finals MVP you better believe that I expect to see Tyreke Evans put some skill points into the jump shot tree.

The NBA is absolutely an RPG and Tyreke better level the freak up for the amount of money this guy's making.

So why can't Tony Allen shoot after all these years? Are we going to say he isn't a tireless worker? Of course he is. Not a skill that everyone can develop. I mean, why aren't we on here banging the drum for Withey to be able run faster or Stiemsma to jump higher? For Gordon to grow taller? Because we know those things aren't realistic given certain makeup. Same goes for shooters. It is not simply a repetition thing. Part of it is innate, and a lot of it has to do with natural hand/eye coordination and reflexes.

Some guys have those things, so repetition is needed to enhance the skills. Others don't and no amount of practice will make them great. I would bet that Tyreke, like Tony Allen and others, is one of those guys. But again, not an issue if he finishes at the rim like he has every other season IMO.